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The devastated family of an unarmed teenage boy who was shot dead by a Michigan sheriff's deputy earlier this year after flashing his car lights at him has filed a lawsuit against the officer.

Deven Guilford, 17, was pulled over by Sgt. Jonathan Frost, of Eaton County Sheriff's Department, on a cold evening in February after flashing the officer because he believed his brights were on.

During the traffic stop, Guilford refused to put his hands behind his back or give Frost any official documents, leading to an altercation between them, according to county prosecutor Doug Lloyd.

This ended with Guilford lying dead in a snow-filled ditch, having been shot seven times by Frost


Now, the teenager's grief-stricken relatives are taking legal action against the officer and the county - four months after Lloyd cleared Frost of any criminal wrongdoing in the February 28 shooting.

In their suit, filed in federal court on Wednesday, the family members claim Frost's 'entire course of action' in the fatal incident was illegal' - and that it was 'in violation of Deven's constitutional rights'.

'As we take this action today we are outraged at the huge miscarriage of justice done to our son Deven Guilford,' the boy's parents, Brian and Becky Guilford, said in a statement on Wednesday

The added that their trust in officials has been 'shaken to the core' following their son's death.

The suit requests a jury trial in the case, according to the Detroit Free Press.

However, it does not seek specific financial damages.

Guilford had just finished playing a game of basketball at a local church and was driving to his girlfriend's home in her 2010 Ford Focus on the M-43 near Mulliken at around 8.30pm when he passed by Frost, an eight-year veteran on the force who was driving a new patrol car

Believing the officer's bright lights were on, the teenager flashed him. He was one of at least three motorists to flash Frost, implying his vehicle had 'improperly bright or misaimed' lights, the suit says.

Guilford was subsequently pulled over by Frost and asked for identifying documents.

However, he allegedly refused to give the officer his driver's license - which was actually at his girlfriend's house - as well as his registration or his proof of insurance, Lloyd told the Press.

Frost then pulled the teenager out of his car and told him to lie on his stomach on the ground, which Guilford did. However, when he was asked to put his hands behind his back, he refused to do so.

Seconds later, Frost fried his stun gun into Guilford, but it was not completely effective, it is reported.

An 'altercation' that apparently occurred, which resulted in Frost shooting dead Guilford.

Footage captured on the teenager's cell phone and Frost's body camera shows the officer approaching Guilford's car, before telling him: 'Trust me, I did not have [my bright lights] on.'

Frost then repeatedly asks the boy for his driver's license, registration and proof of insurance, before dragging him out of his vehicle, ordering him to lie on the ground and training his stun gun on him.



'Arms out to the side,' Frost instructs Guilford angrily.

After the teenager refuses to put his hands behind his back so he can be handcuffed, Frost can be seen physically restraining him, causing Guilford to cry: 'Officer, what are you doing?'

As the boy struggles, Frost then tasers him, prompting him to jump up. The footage then goes blurry, before cutting off altogether, so it does not depict the moment of the deadly shooting.

Frost's camera apparently came off in the struggle, while Guilford's phone lay on the sidewalk.



After the incident, the officer was treated for facial injuries in hospital.

Guilford, meanwhile, was declared dead at the scene

In their statement on Wednesday, Guilford's parents referred to the video footage, saying: 'Since the moment we viewed the body camera footage our confusion has turned to outrage over what was done to Deven at the hands of Frost and the whole Eaton County “justice” system.

'We always had great respect for law enforcement and the men and women who chose that profession in the past. But we must say that belief has been shaken to the core by the actions of Frost and refusal of the Eaton County Prosecutor to hold Frost accountable.'

Cynthia Heenan, of Constitutional Litigation Associates P.C., who is representing Deven's family, said the teenager's fatal shooting represents a 'disturbing trend of demanding 100 per cent compliance with police authority, coupled with zero tolerance of risk of harm to police officers.'

She added that Guilford's death was 'tragic and totally unnecessary'.
The inquiry also found Guilford had traces of marijuana in his system.



However, the teenager's relatives maintain that Frost acted illegally by shooting Guilford dead - and that he also had no right to pull him over in the first place,The Free Thought Project reports.

They have set up a Facebook page dedicated to getting 'justice' for Guilford.

On the page, named 'Justice For Deven Guilford', they write: 'Deven Guilford was 17 years old, on his way home from a church basketball game, when he was pulled over by an eaton county police officer. This routine traffic stop turned into a struggle and Deven was shot and killed.

'Our family is seeking justice, accountability, and SUPPORT!'

In on post, Guilford's relatives explain how they are 'not anti-cop or 'anti-Eaton County' - and had 'backed every officer' involved in a shooting 'before this happened to our beloved Deven'.

But they write: 'If the facts were plain and simple that Deven was in the wrong, we would not be going forward with any of this but there are too many holes in the story.'




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3275534/Devastated-relatives-file-lawsuit-against-sheriff-s-deputy-shot-dead-unarmed-teenager-flashed-car-lights-him.html#ixzz3ojd2u5zy
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Lloyd's decision to clear Frost of any criminal wrongdoing followed an internal investigation into the incident, which found the deputy followed official 'regulations, general orders and training'


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Amazing how the camera just quits working right before the shooting.

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I guess we have now accepted that the New Norm is that Police are free to shoot and kill anyone they wish too.

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Ok so cop put two taps in a zombie's head?

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Ok so cop put two taps in a zombie's head?


 This ended with Guilford lying dead in a snow-filled ditch, having been shot seven times by Frost.

What if this was YOUR son?

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Ok so cop put two taps in a zombie's head?


 This ended with Guilford lying dead in a snow-filled ditch, having been shot seven times by Frost.

What if this was YOUR son?

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I do worry about that scenario. DS1 would be frightened and completely compliant.

DS2 might present more of a challenge. cry

 



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Ok so cop put two taps in a zombie's head?



What does that mean?

It used to be if you didn't have your license or registration, you had 24 hrs to produce it. Not sure why they had to make him get out of the car in the first place over flashing his lights? That is the issue.

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It is the POLICE who are often escalating minor situations. IF he wouldn't get out of the car, and he called for backup, then why not wait for backup? The Police have no self control or restraint which is what we USED to expect from Police. We used to expect professionals who knew how to de escalate situations and who would use restraint and who were not there to execute anyone who disagreed with them. Yes, this boy crossed the lines. But, it never should have gotten to this point in the first place.

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Ok so cop put two taps in a zombie's head?



 

What does that mean?

It used to be if you didn't have your license or registration, you had 24 hrs to produce it. Not sure why they had to make him get out of the car in the first place over flashing his lights? That is the issue.


 Beats me. I assume it refers to the fact that he had smoked pot...or it's a racial slur.

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It's not a racial slur. What would you think that?

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It's not a racial slur. What would you think that?


 I've never heard the term before.

It's someone's DEAD son, so I have no idea what that remark added to the discussion.

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Maybe parents should teach their children that police at the good guys and to cooperate?

It's a tragedy for sure, but it's also very scary out there right now for police officers because kids are being raised to hate them and to think the police are the enemy. So they don't cooperate, and this is what happens. And this happens, which fuels the belief that all police are bad, so this situation occurs more and more often.

Respect. The world needs more of it.

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Ok so cop put two taps in a zombie's head?


 What on earth is this supposed to mean?



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Maybe parents should teach their children that police at the good guys and to cooperate?

It's a tragedy for sure, but it's also very scary out there right now for police officers because kids are being raised to hate them and to think the police are the enemy. So they don't cooperate, and this is what happens. And this happens, which fuels the belief that all police are bad, so this situation occurs more and more often.

Respect. The world needs more of it.


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Ok so cop put two taps in a zombie's head?


 What on earth is this supposed to mean?


 Thanks, but I'm not holding my breath.

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I'm not willing to assume the cop was not a good guy. Particularly when the kid did not cooperate. There are always two sides. I try not to pass judgment without hearing both sides. And we both know how the media can skew facts.

Either way, it's very sad for the family, I'll agree. How to prevent it from happening? Teach your kids to cooperate. The parents and attorneys can sort it out later. But better to make a trip to jail than to the morgue.

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I agree. Yes, everyone should cooperate with Police. But, the Police aren't giving many people a chance to cooperate. The Police pulled up to the park where a 12 yr old boy was sitting at a Picnic table, not even holding the fake gun and screamed commands at him and shot him dead within 4 secs. If someone just came up and started screaming commands at me, it would literally take me a few seconds to even process what they said. And, they are doing this with kids, addicts, the elderly, the mentally ill, etc. If they simply showed restraint, then the vast majority of these situations could have been easily and safely resolved.

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Yes, people should cooperate - but the fact is, he shouldn't have been pulled over to begin with for simply being one of three different cars that flashed brights at him. THAT was police power-tripping.

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Doesn't the fact that police are killing people over NOTHING concern anyone? Wow.

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Yes, people should cooperate - but the fact is, he shouldn't have been pulled over to begin with for simply being one of three different cars that flashed brights at him. THAT was police power-tripping.


 That was my impression, too.

How DARE you criticize me? I am a POLICEMAN.

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For Michael Brown, yes, he is the one who escalated the situation. He had just robbed a convenience store. And, yes, this teen escalated the situation and fought with the cop and died. Don't fight with the Police, duh. But, pulling people over and yanking them out of their cars for flashing their headlights? Or choking a man selling cigarettes on the street? No.

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Yes it concerns me. But it also concerns me that people aren't cooperating. And bringing fake guns to parks. Who does that?

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And, someone who is injured, can't breathe or tased is going to writhe around trying to stay alive. To the Police that is "resisting". That shows how uneducated they are.

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Yes it concerns me. But it also concerns me that people aren't cooperating. And bringing fake guns to parks. Who does that?





OMG! I had bb guns and all kinds of fake guns as a kid. And, yes we took them to the park. Wow/

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This is tragic, but why didn't the kid just say he forgot his license & the car was his girlfriend's? It would have ended differently I'm sure.

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My kids have Airsoft rifles. They go into the woods and play with those. ONe time they were playing in the neighborhood and I told them not too because these airsoft guns are metal and look like real guns. But, so you want the police to gun down every boy with a pretend gun?

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Don't know about the choking situation. But he didn't yank him out of the car for no reason. He "refused" to provide license, etc. Sure, now we know it was left at his girlfriend's house. Maybe he told the cop that at the time. Maybe he said his dog ate it, along with his homework. But he also had marijuana in his system. Maybe the cop smelled it. Perhaps, oh I don't know, there was probable cause to further investigate? Maybe see if he was DUI?

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Marijuana in your system is not DUI. You can have marijuana in your system for days. And, there is no evidence that the cop saw, smelled marijuana or in any way suspected a DUI. SO, don't add "facts" that don't even apply.

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I got pulled over for speeding a couple weeks ago. My first ticket in 25 yrs. And, I was petrified. I wasn't sure how the cop would behave towards me. I now view the police as someone to be potentially feared now rather than feeling to be in safe hands. I don't trust them anymore. Yeah, I am not going to be racially profiled or anything like that. But, there are some truly rude and dangerous cops. This cop was very professional so no problems.

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Don't know about the choking situation. But he didn't yank him out of the car for no reason. He "refused" to provide license, etc. Sure, now we know it was left at his girlfriend's house. Maybe he told the cop that at the time. Maybe he said his dog ate it, along with his homework. But he also had marijuana in his system. Maybe the cop smelled it. Perhaps, oh I don't know, there was probable cause to further investigate? Maybe see if he was DUI?


 That is pure speculation - none of that is in the story.



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I got pulled over for speeding a couple weeks ago. My first ticket in 25 yrs. And, I was petrified. I wasn't sure how the cop would behave towards me. I now view the police as someone to be potentially feared now rather than feeling to be in safe hands. I don't trust them anymore. Yeah, I am not going to be racially profiled or anything like that. But, there are some truly rude and dangerous cops. This cop was very professional so no problems.


 I agree with you. Who knows if the cop is having a bad day & decides to take it out on a random stranger?

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I was scared 25 years ago when I was pulled over by cops. And it had nothing to do with a fear of being tazed. Who isn't. You don't always know what you've done wrong, and whether it was something that would land you in the tank. But even with fear, you don't argue, and you cooperate. Kids need to be taught this. They don't need to be taught to fear. That's automatic, regardless of what is all over the media.

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Don't know about the choking situation. But he didn't yank him out of the car for no reason. He "refused" to provide license, etc. Sure, now we know it was left at his girlfriend's house. Maybe he told the cop that at the time. Maybe he said his dog ate it, along with his homework. But he also had marijuana in his system. Maybe the cop smelled it. Perhaps, oh I don't know, there was probable cause to further investigate? Maybe see if he was DUI?


 That is pure speculation - none of that is in the story.


 During the traffic stop, Guilford refused to put his hands behind his back or give Frost any official documents, leading to an altercation between them

 

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Except that in a lot of these cases, they didn't give anyone a chance to cooperate. Like the Old Indian man who was visiting his grandkids and he looked "out of place" so they body slammed him who didn't speak very good English and he wound up with a broken neck and back. Uh huh.

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Don't know about the choking situation. But he didn't yank him out of the car for no reason. He "refused" to provide license, etc. Sure, now we know it was left at his girlfriend's house. Maybe he told the cop that at the time. Maybe he said his dog ate it, along with his homework. But he also had marijuana in his system. Maybe the cop smelled it. Perhaps, oh I don't know, there was probable cause to further investigate? Maybe see if he was DUI?


 That is pure speculation - none of that is in the story.


 During the traffic stop, Guilford refused to put his hands behind his back or give Frost any official documents, leading to an altercation between them

 

Yes, yes it is.



Yup. Show your papers. Just like Nazi Germany.

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I was scared 25 years ago when I was pulled over by cops. And it had nothing to do with a fear of being tazed. Who isn't. You don't always know what you've done wrong, and whether it was something that would land you in the tank. But even with fear, you don't argue, and you cooperate. Kids need to be taught this. They don't need to be taught to fear. That's automatic, regardless of what is all over the media.


 I've been pulled over 3 times in my life. I knew EXACTLY why: twice for speeding & once for rolling through a stop sign.

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Oh c'mon, you think asking for identification, particularly a document which by law we are REQUIRED to carry when driving is unreasonable? Since when? Driving is a privilege, one that must be earned by passing tests. And vehicle registration? What if this car was stolen? It's standard procedures, and everyone knows it who drives a car.

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I've been pulled over 5 times. Three times I did not know the reason. Tinted windows, who knew. Illegal u-turn, I did not see the sign. And unsafe left turn. WTF?

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People are ignoring that a cop is supposed to have probable cause to pull you over in the first place. Is flashing brights illegal? No. If that's all he did - there was no basis for the stop in the first place. This is not a police state.

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People are ignoring that a cop is supposed to have probable cause to pull you over in the first place. Is flashing brights illegal? No. If that's all he did - there was no basis for the stop in the first place. This is not a police state.


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People are ignoring that a cop is supposed to have probable cause to pull you over in the first place. Is flashing brights illegal? No. If that's all he did - there was no basis for the stop in the first place. This is not a police state.


 I was thinking about this in the shower & was coming back to post the same thing!

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I've been pulled over 5 times. Three times I did not know the reason. Tinted windows, who knew. Illegal u-turn, I did not see the sign. And unsafe left turn. WTF?


 Did they make you get out of your car & lay on the ground?

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Trying to find Michigan's law...

But here:

In the United States, the legality of headlight flashing varies from state to state. Some states consider that drivers have a First Amendment right to flash their headlights. In other states, law enforcement officers give citations for headlight flashing under three types of laws: (1) laws prohibiting a person from obstructing a police investigation, (2) laws prohibiting a person from having flashing lights on their vehicle, and (3) laws prohibiting shining a vehicle’s high beams at oncoming traffic. The specific language of each law varies by state along with courts’ holdings on whether their respective laws prohibit headlight flashing. Additionally, although not legally binding, the state driver’s manual of some states suggests flashing high beams under specific scenarios (e.g. if an oncoming vehicle is using its high beams, driver’s manuals suggest a motorist flash his or her high beams momentarily).[27][28]

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I've been pulled over 5 times. Three times I did not know the reason. Tinted windows, who knew. Illegal u-turn, I did not see the sign. And unsafe left turn. WTF?


 Did they make you get out of your car & lay on the ground?

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Look at the wording. Why, or rather how was a dead person driving?

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People are ignoring that a cop is supposed to have probable cause to pull you over in the first place. Is flashing brights illegal? No. If that's all he did - there was no basis for the stop in the first place. This is not a police state.


It's illegal here.  Son in law got a ticket for it a couple of years ago... 


 I find that odd.  Federal courts have found that even flashing brights to warn of speed traps is legally protected, so why wouldn't it be legal to flash brights to tell someone theirs are on?  And flashing your headlights to warn others is protected free speech in TN. 



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People are ignoring that a cop is supposed to have probable cause to pull you over in the first place. Is flashing brights illegal? No. If that's all he did - there was no basis for the stop in the first place. This is not a police state.


 Actually.  I was pulled over once for flashing my brights.

At 11ish at night. 

I was told it was illegal to flash lights.



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In most states, including Michigan, you must dim your brights within 500 feet of an oncoming vehicle. The exact distance varies from state to state.

According to the Michigan Vehicle Code: “Whenever the driver of a vehicle approaches an oncoming vehicle within 500 feet, such driver shall use a distribution of light or composite beam so aimed that the glaring rays are not projected into the eyes of the oncoming driver.”

The law in Michigan also mandates that drivers use lights in certain scenarios.

“The Michigan Vehicle Code requires head lamps to emit a white light, with "high-beams" of intensity to reveal persons and vehicles at a distance of at least 350 feet ahead, and low-beams of intensity to reveal persons and vehicles at a distance of at least 100 feet ahead. Since smoked headlamp covers change the color of light, and/or decrease their intensity below the requirements, they should not be used when headlamps are required to be on. However, smoked headlamp covers may be used when headlamps are not on, and not required.”

These rules are in place to protect other drivers on the road, as well as yourself. Obeying the law will help ensure that other drivers aren’t subjected to sudden bouts of blurred vision when operating a dangerous motor vehicle at a high rate of speed.

The penalties associated with improper usage of brights vary from state to state. In Michigan, improper use of lights/failure to dim is a civil infraction that carries a 2-point penalty.

Oddly enough, there are no laws on the books concerning flashing your brights at other drivers. According to a police sergeant in a 2011 story from MLive, the legality of flashing your brights comes down to specific facts.

Like many laws, what this really comes down to is common sense and having care for others. When you’re driving in the dark and there’s nobody on the road, use your brights. When you see a car approaching on the other side of the road, temporarily turn them off until the vehicle passes. It’s that simple!



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Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:

People are ignoring that a cop is supposed to have probable cause to pull you over in the first place. Is flashing brights illegal? No. If that's all he did - there was no basis for the stop in the first place. This is not a police state.


It's illegal here.  Son in law got a ticket for it a couple of years ago... 


 I find that odd.  Federal courts have found that even flashing brights to warn of speed traps is legally protected, so why wouldn't it be legal to flash brights to tell someone theirs are on?  And flashing your headlights to warn others is protected free speech in TN. 


Well, either the cop didn't know, or didn't care, because he gave him a ticket. 



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