.Dear Prudie: Hateful Church Across the Street: My partner, my daughter, and I have recently signed a lease for an amazing apartment in a great neighborhood. We all believe people are entitled to their own beliefs, and if they’re not spreading hate, then it’s their right to be left alone. We noticed there is a church directly across the street from our new home, and I decided to go online to check it out. They do amazing mission and charity work—and also openly hate on gays and other religions that they do not tolerate because they are “false.” It turns out they often host a lot of hate-filled events right on their grounds. We can not back out of the lease or move again, but now I am afraid we are moving somewhere that could be problematic for us. My partner thinks we should hang a pride flag out front and be sure to always smile and wave to them, but I feel like we should avoid them at all costs. What do we do?
A: I think you should ignore them and just let them fade into the background. Sure, you could hang a pride flag, but if you’re doing it to change their minds, you won’t. While their views are noxious, as a society such views becoming less common and more marginal. You say they host “hate-filled gatherings,” but you don’t explain what these are. If they are burning crosses or have loudspeakers broadcasting vile views into your living room, that’s a cause for complaint. If they are just gathering on their property, and you feel because of their views such gatherings are inherently hate-filled, then pay no attention to them. You have a lovely apartment in a wonderful neighborhood, so don’t let the church across the street diminish the enjoyment of your good fortune
"Hate-filled" translates to "they follow the Bible".
Typic gay agenda. No tolerance for anyone that does throw confetti and pat you on the back.
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Just because someone disagrees with you or your lifestyle does not mean they hate you.
You are correct.
We really need an eye roll emoticon for some posts.
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"Hate-filled" translates to "they follow the Bible".
Typic gay agenda. No tolerance for anyone that does throw confetti and pat you on the back.
Typical Christian agenda...No tolerance for anyone who does not believe as they do.
flan
You don't know that this church has done anything to demonstrate that.
Besides that--you are making the point that I've made over and over. Liberals want to eliminate religious freedom.
These people are b!tching about just having a church across the street from them that doesn't believe as they do--despite the fact that the church was there, first, and despite the fact that the church has done NOTHING to them, other than have differing beliefs.
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Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
The SO sounds like S/he wants to stir up trouble by flying the flag & waving all the time. I'll bet that if they just go about their lives the church goers probably won't even notice them. It seems like they are looking for trouble before anything has even happened.
For all we know she moved across from a Westro type church. Her letter is to vague.
But even if they did, unless that church is picketing their front door, I don't see how this is an issue in practicality.
For all they know, half of their neighbors within 1 block might go to that church and believe what that church teaches--yet they aren't b!tching about them.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
The SO sounds like S/he wants to stir up trouble by flying the flag & waving all the time. I'll bet that if they just go about their lives the church goers probably won't even notice them. It seems like they are looking for trouble before anything has even happened.
This. So much this. SHE was the one who looked up the church and investigated. Why? If I moved in across the street I wouldn't think twice about it. And now she wants to hang a flag and stir things up. Who's starting trouble here?
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
Well, she can hang her flag if she wants. But it seems easier to just go about your life, unless you want to spend most of your life feeling pissed off all the time. Which many people actually do.
For all we know she moved across from a Westro type church. Her letter is to vague.
But even if they did, unless that church is picketing their front door, I don't see how this is an issue in practicality.
For all they know, half of their neighbors within 1 block might go to that church and believe what that church teaches--yet they aren't b!tching about them.
Would you feel comfortable living across from a very vocal church that hated the way you lived your life? Would you want to live across from a radical mosque? I know I wouldn't.
For all we know she moved across from a Westro type church. Her letter is to vague.
But even if they did, unless that church is picketing their front door, I don't see how this is an issue in practicality.
For all they know, half of their neighbors within 1 block might go to that church and believe what that church teaches--yet they aren't b!tching about them.
Would you feel comfortable living across from a very vocal church that hated the way you lived your life? Would you want to live across from a radical mosque? I know I wouldn't.
And, that is the fault of the Church how? Sorry, but you can't play the Victim card here. If you buy a house, then you need to investigate the neighborhood. If you dont' like it, that's your fault. So, sell the place and move.
Yes. I would say the investigating should have been done BEFORE they bought it. NOT AFTER.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
For all we know she moved across from a Westro type church. Her letter is to vague.
But even if they did, unless that church is picketing their front door, I don't see how this is an issue in practicality.
For all they know, half of their neighbors within 1 block might go to that church and believe what that church teaches--yet they aren't b!tching about them.
Would you feel comfortable living across from a very vocal church that hated the way you lived your life? Would you want to live across from a radical mosque? I know I wouldn't.
???? Then don't move there. The church was there first. If they didn't want to live across from a church that holds those beliefs, they could have done the "research" before they moved in rather than after.
What do you think is the solution here? Try to make an entire church change their beliefs? Are you foolish enough to believe that would actually happen?
Make the church--who was there FIRST--move? Absurd.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
Well, it's an apartment with a lease so they can leave.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
For all we know she moved across from a Westro type church. Her letter is to vague.
But even if they did, unless that church is picketing their front door, I don't see how this is an issue in practicality.
For all they know, half of their neighbors within 1 block might go to that church and believe what that church teaches--yet they aren't b!tching about them.
Would you feel comfortable living across from a very vocal church that hated the way you lived your life? Would you want to live across from a radical mosque? I know I wouldn't.
???? Then don't move there. The church was there first. If they didn't want to live across from a church that holds those beliefs, they could have done the "research" before they moved in rather than after.
What do you think is the solution here? Try to make an entire church change their beliefs? Are you foolish enough to believe that would actually happen?
Make the church--who was there FIRST--move? Absurd.
Of course husker. That is exactly the way the "tolerant" operate.
For all we know she moved across from a Westro type church. Her letter is to vague.
But even if they did, unless that church is picketing their front door, I don't see how this is an issue in practicality.
For all they know, half of their neighbors within 1 block might go to that church and believe what that church teaches--yet they aren't b!tching about them.
Would you feel comfortable living across from a very vocal church that hated the way you lived your life? Would you want to live across from a radical mosque? I know I wouldn't.
???? Then don't move there. The church was there first. If they didn't want to live across from a church that holds those beliefs, they could have done the "research" before they moved in rather than after.
What do you think is the solution here? Try to make an entire church change their beliefs? Are you foolish enough to believe that would actually happen?
Make the church--who was there FIRST--move? Absurd.
Of course husker. That is exactly the way the "tolerant" operate.
I didn't say any of that. I said her letter was to vague on why she was upset. So, if she is living across from a super crazy church I understand why she would be uncomfortable. Ultimately, I think she should move if the church bothers her. She can wave whatever flags she wants, but she better be ready to get some push back. Just like the church can say whatever they want, but they shouldn't be surprised if some of their neighbors don't like it.
Unless they rented it off of Craigslist or otherwise sight unseen why didn't they notice the church when they were apartment hunting if it is so hateful?
Unless they rented it off of Craigslist or otherwise sight unseen why didn't they notice the church when they were apartment hunting if it is so hateful?
I bet they didn't check out their neighborhood, which just means they are idiots.
The letter writer wants to take the churches rights.
All while living in her own.
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For all we know she moved across from a Westro type church. Her letter is to vague.
But even if they did, unless that church is picketing their front door, I don't see how this is an issue in practicality.
For all they know, half of their neighbors within 1 block might go to that church and believe what that church teaches--yet they aren't b!tching about them.
Would you feel comfortable living across from a very vocal church that hated the way you lived your life? Would you want to live across from a radical mosque? I know I wouldn't.
???? Then don't move there. The church was there first. If they didn't want to live across from a church that holds those beliefs, they could have done the "research" before they moved in rather than after.
What do you think is the solution here? Try to make an entire church change their beliefs? Are you foolish enough to believe that would actually happen?
Make the church--who was there FIRST--move? Absurd.
Of course husker. That is exactly the way the "tolerant" operate.
I didn't say any of that. I said her letter was to vague on why she was upset. So, if she is living across from a super crazy church I understand why she would be uncomfortable. Ultimately, I think she should move if the church bothers her. She can wave whatever flags she wants, but she better be ready to get some push back. Just like the church can say whatever they want, but they shouldn't be surprised if some of their neighbors don't like it.
I don't see how it wasn't implied. What else could we take it to mean when you ask a question about how we'd feel living across from a mosque. You put their comfort level above everyone else's by asking the question.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
She does not have the right to tell the church what type of services to have. What type of message to preach.
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The comment about "as long as it isn't hate" says to me that if the LW doesn't agree with it, which is probably preaching against homosexuallity, it should be stopped.
Didn't come right out and say that. But it could be assumed.
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The letter writer wants to take the churches rights.
All while living in her own.
Do you know the difference between a RIGHT and a PRIVILEGE?
flan
Religious freedom is a RIGHT.
But what right does the LW want to take? The two options proposed were to display a gay flag and waive or ignore them.
The letter writer only says they have rights if they are not spreading hate and then goes on to talk about how they preach hate. Churches rarely preach hate. Churches preach the word of God and people who don't like it call it hate.
We all believe people are entitled to their own beliefs, and if they’re not spreading hate, then it’s their right to be left alone. We noticed there is a church directly across the street from our new home, and I decided to go online to check it out. They do amazing mission and charity work—and also openly hate on gays and other religions that they do not tolerate because they are “false.” It turns out they often host a lot of hate-filled events right on their grounds.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
God has ordained the family as the foundational institution of human society. It is composed of persons related to one another by marriage, blood, or adoption.
Marriage is the uniting of one man and one woman in covenant commitment for a lifetime. It is God's unique gift to reveal the union between Christ and His church and to provide for the man and the woman in marriage the framework for intimate companionship, the channel of sexual expression according to biblical standards, and the means for procreation of the human race.
The husband and wife are of equal worth before God, since both are created in God's image. The marriage relationship models the way God relates to His people. A husband is to love his wife as Christ loved the church. He has the God-given responsibility to provide for, to protect, and to lead his family. A wife is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband even as the church willingly submits to the headship of Christ. She, being in the image of God as is her husband and thus equal to him, has the God-given responsibility to respect her husband and to serve as his helper in managing the household and nurturing the next generation.
Children, from the moment of conception, are a blessing and heritage from the Lord. Parents are to demonstrate to their children God's pattern for marriage. Parents are to teach their children spiritual and moral values and to lead them, through consistent lifestyle example and loving discipline, to make choices based on biblical truth. Children are to honor and obey their parents.
All Christians are under obligation to seek to make the will of Christ supreme in our own lives and in human society. Means and methods used for the improvement of society and the establishment of righteousness among men can be truly and permanently helpful only when they are rooted in the regeneration of the individual by the saving grace of God in Jesus Christ. In the spirit of Christ, Christians should oppose racism, every form of greed, selfishness, and vice, and all forms of sexual immorality, including adultery, homosexuality, and pornography. We should work to provide for the orphaned, the needy, the abused, the aged, the helpless, and the sick. We should speak on behalf of the unborn and contend for the sanctity of all human life from conception to natural death. Every Christian should seek to bring industry, government, and society as a whole under the sway of the principles of righteousness, truth, and brotherly love. In order to promote these ends Christians should be ready to work with all men of good will in any good cause, always being careful to act in the spirit of love without compromising their loyalty to Christ and His truth.
Exodus 20:3-17; Leviticus 6:2-5; Deuteronomy 10:12; 27:17; Psalm 101:5; Micah 6:8; Zechariah 8:16; Matthew 5:13-16,43-48; 22:36-40; 25:35; Mark 1:29-34; 2:3ff.; 10:21; Luke 4:18-21; 10:27-37; 20:25; John 15:12; 17:15; Romans 12–14; 1Corinthians 5:9-10; 6:1-7; 7:20-24; 10:23-11:1; Galatians 3:26-28; Ephesians 6:5-9; Colossians 3:12-17; 1 Thessalonians 3:12; Philemon; James 1:27; 2:8.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.