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ed11563 · Guru

shoppers buying Volkswagen's dirty diesels

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Ashamed to drive it? Really?

This is ridiculous.

The cars are good cars.

Move on.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

lilyofcourse wrote:
Ashamed to drive it? Really?

This is ridiculous.

The cars are good cars.

Move on.

Well sure they are good cars, but they won't pass the emissions test in some states. Buyers will have to fork over a lot of money to fix them.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

The company should fix them. Recall them and fix it.

But if it isn't a matter of passing a test in your state, then don't worry about it.

I know I couldn't just get anot her car because of something like this.

ed11563 · Guru

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Ashamed to drive it? Really?

This is ridiculous.

The cars are good cars.

Move on.
Well sure they are good cars, but they won't pass the emissions test in some states. Buyers will have to fork over a lot of money to fix them.

I'm not convinced that they CAN be fixed.

Sure, the computers can be reprogrammed to get rid of the test bypass cheat, but then the cars will either run badly (poor acceleration, lousy mileage, reduced maximum speed) or continue to put out 40 times the legal limit of soot and smog making exhaust gases.

Lily, they may LOOK LIKE good cars, but they're not.

VW will probably have to refund the purchase price to all the original owners, and maybe to people who bought them used prior to the issue becoming public knowledge as "holders in due course", but fools who buy them used NOW, maybe not. They bought them KNOWING that the problem exists.

So for those foolish people, they might well wind up with a nice car that has almost no acceleration and/ or lousy fuel mileage. That's on them.

IMHO it's dumb (or risky) buying something expensive KNOWING it's defective and might not be fixable.

-- Edited by ed11563 on Sunday 25th of October 2015 11:36:34 AM

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

If you had a car, and loved it, but then find out it doesn't pass a test, why should you not still love it?

huskerbb · Guru

Who cares? I could give a crap less about emissions.

ed11563 · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
If you had a car, and loved it, but then find out it doesn't pass a test, why should you not still love it?

Because to drive it legally, it has to have a current sticker saying it passed all the safety and emissions tests. Around here, failing to have the current sticker is a $65 fine every time you get caught.

Husker, do you like breathing in soot?

huskerbb · Guru

ed11563 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
If you had a car, and loved it, but then find out it doesn't pass a test, why should you not still love it?
Because to drive it legally, it has to have a current sticker saying it passed all the safety and emissions tests. Around here, failing to have the current sticker is a $65 fine every time you get caught.
Husker, do you like breathing in soot?

That is a BS issue.

What is going to give off more emissions? A car that gets 25 mpg but supposedly burns "clean", or a car that gets 45 mpg?

You are still using less fossil fuels.

ed11563 · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
If you had a car, and loved it, but then find out it doesn't pass a test, why should you not still love it?
Because to drive it legally, it has to have a current sticker saying it passed all the safety and emissions tests. Around here, failing to have the current sticker is a $65 fine every time you get caught.
Husker, do you like breathing in soot?

That is a BS issue.
What is going to give off more emissions? A car that gets 25 mpg but supposedly burns "clean", or a car that gets 45 mpg?
You are still using less fossil fuels.

How about a diesel car that gets 45 mpg, meets the emissions standards, and goes from zero to 60 in

90 seconds?

huskerbb · Guru

ed11563 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
If you had a car, and loved it, but then find out it doesn't pass a test, why should you not still love it?
Because to drive it legally, it has to have a current sticker saying it passed all the safety and emissions tests. Around here, failing to have the current sticker is a $65 fine every time you get caught.
Husker, do you like breathing in soot?

That is a BS issue.
What is going to give off more emissions? A car that gets 25 mpg but supposedly burns "clean", or a car that gets 45 mpg?
You are still using less fossil fuels.
How about a diesel car that gets 45 mpg, meets the emissions standards, and goes from zero to 60 in
90 seconds?

That would be great if they have it. I'm just saying that a few cars on the road that are a little out of what they were advertised isn't going to make any difference--especially since they get great mileage.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

ed11563 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
If you had a car, and loved it, but then find out it doesn't pass a test, why should you not still love it?
Because to drive it legally, it has to have a current sticker saying it passed all the safety and emissions tests. Around here, failing to have the current sticker is a $65 fine every time you get caught.
Husker, do you like breathing in soot?

That is a BS issue.
What is going to give off more emissions? A car that gets 25 mpg but supposedly burns "clean", or a car that gets 45 mpg?
You are still using less fossil fuels.
How about a diesel car that gets 45 mpg, meets the emissions standards, and goes from zero to 60 in
90 seconds?

Well. Ed. These VW cars never did that anyway.

Matter of fact, very few cars will.

And you drive a prius. So it isn't like you're starring in your own little NASCAR race every time you go out.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

My point is, most people can't just get another car because of something like this.

And, these vehicles will pass emissions testing because the computer on the car recognizes when they are being tested.

And, how many states still have the inspections?

And, it isnt like a person will be pulled over just because of a sticker. So don't speed or drive stupid.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

lilyofcourse wrote:
My point is, most people can't just get another car because of something like this.

And, these vehicles will pass emissions testing because the computer on the car recognizes when they are being tested.

And, how many states still have the inspections?

And, it isnt like a person will be pulled over just because of a sticker. So don't speed or drive stupid.

Texas does.

We can't renew our registration without passing an inspection first.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

lilyofcourse wrote:
My point is, most people can't just get another car because of something like this.

And, these vehicles will pass emissions testing because the computer on the car recognizes when they are being tested.

And, how many states still have the inspections?

And, it isnt like a person will be pulled over just because of a sticker. So don't speed or drive stupid.

Lily, the gig is up, those cars won't pass inspection unless the owner can prove they had the issue fixed.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Georgia doesnt.

But even if it did, the computer is programmed to detect testing and comply.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

It's really a matter of reprogramming.

huskerbb · Guru

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
My point is, most people can't just get another car because of something like this.

And, these vehicles will pass emissions testing because the computer on the car recognizes when they are being tested.

And, how many states still have the inspections?

And, it isnt like a person will be pulled over just because of a sticker. So don't speed or drive stupid.
Lily, the gig is up, those cars won't pass inspection unless the owner can prove they had the issue fixed.

Not all states have inspections.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

Not all states, but some of them do. Here's a chart.

Summary of Periodic Inspection Requirements for Non-Commercial Vehicles[edit]

State	Periodic Safety Inspections	Periodic Emissions Inspections
Alabama	no	no
Alaska	no	no
Arizona	no	biennially for Phoenix and Tucson metros
Arkansas	no	no
California	no	biennially
Colorado	no	biennially
Connecticut	no	biennially
Delaware	biennially	biennially
District of Columbia	biennially	biennially
Florida	no	no
Georgia	no	annually for Atlanta metro
Hawaii	annually	no
Idaho	no	yes for Ada and Canyon counties
Illinois	no (not actively checked, see above)	biennially for Chicago and St. Louis metros
Indiana	no	biennially for Lake and Porter counties
Iowa	no	no
Kansas	no	no
Kentucky	no	no
Louisiana	annually/biennially	annually for Baton Rouge metro
Maine	annually	yes for Cumberland county only
Maryland	no	biennially for 13/23 counties and Baltimore
Massachusetts	annually	annually
Michigan	no	no
Minnesota	no	no
Mississippi	biennially	no
Missouri	biennially	biennially for St. Louis metro
Montana	no	no
Nebraska	no	no
Nevada	no	yes for Clark and Washoe counties
New Hampshire	annually	annually (Model Year 1996 and Newer Only)
New Jersey	no	biennially
New Mexico	no	biennially for Bernalillo county only
New York	annually	annually
North Carolina	annually	annually for 48/100 counties
North Dakota	no	no
Ohio	no	odd/even for Cleveland metro
Oklahoma	no	no
Oregon	no	yes for Portland and Medford metros
Pennsylvania	annually	annually in 25 of 67 counties
Rhode Island	biennially	biennially
South Carolina	no	no
South Dakota	no	no
Tennessee	no	annually for select Nashville counties/Chattanooga area
Texas	annually	annually for large urban areas
Utah	biennially	yes for four most populated counties
Vermont	annually	annually
Virginia	annually	biennially for urban and suburban northern Virginia
Washington	no	yes for urban areas of select counties
West Virginia	annually	no
Wisconsin	no	biennially for select counties
Wyoming	no	no

ed11563 · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:

And, it isnt like a person will be pulled over just because of a sticker. So don't speed or drive stupid.

In NY the highway patrol sets up checkpoints, typically on a ramp connecting two freeways, so the cars are going slowly single file. Officers stand where they can see the stickers at a glance, and they DO pull cars over for out-dated or missing inspection or registration stickers.

Then they do a sobriety check.

Then they sometimes impound the car.

Also streets that have parking meters, have meter maids. They check the stickers and write tickets for out of date stickers.

VW diesel owners beware.

ed11563 · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
My point is, most people can't just get another car because of something like this.

And, these vehicles will pass emissions testing because the computer on the car recognizes when they are being tested.

And, how many states still have the inspections?

And, it isnt like a person will be pulled over just because of a sticker. So don't speed or drive stupid.
Lily, the gig is up, those cars won't pass inspection unless the owner can prove they had the issue fixed.
Not all states have inspections.

Probably a LOT of those diesels will be moved to Georgia. Great for air quality there, right? disbelief

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I personally don't know why someone with a VW would want a diesel.

I can see it in a bigger vehicle, a work vehicle.

But a bug?

I just don't get it.

ed11563 · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
I personally don't know why someone with a VW would want a diesel.

I can see it in a bigger vehicle, a work vehicle.

But a bug?

I just don't get it.

With the software cheat, mileage and acceleration are pretty good, better than the same car with a gasoline engine.

With the cheat undone, that will all change.

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Summary of Periodic Inspection Requirements for Non-Commercial Vehicles[edit]