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Emily Yoffe: Good afternoon. I look forward to your questions.
Q. Neighbor’s Teenage Daughter Has Boyfriend Over: I live in a condo next door to a widow with a 16-year-old daughter. This family and I have been friends for a long time, and we get along well and have never had any problems. I’ve been home due to recovering from surgery, and one afternoon after school, I saw the daughter and her boyfriend go into the condo when the mother wasn’t there. I also heard what sounded like loud sex going on in the room on the other side of my home office wall. I brought this to the mother’s attention, and she said she knew about it but would tell them to be quiet. When I asked her why she allowed this, she said she’d rather they be in a safe, comfortable place and have protection than to be sneaking around in parked cars and such. I was absolutely appalled by this and wonder if I can still be friends with these people or if I should call the police, since both of these kids are underage (both 16). Should I turn them in or just turn a blind eye to it?
A: Please give me your address, so I can head over to your house to take away your phone. You need to make a quick recovery and stop snooping on this family. What you heard was loud, mutually desired sex. This was confirmed to you by the mother of the girl. Now that you know that you are next door to two horny teenagers, you have to get out of the business of trying to ruin young people’s lives. If you called the police, I would sincerely hope they would back away once they figured out what was going on. But who knows? We do not need more innocent young people put through the criminal justice system and ending up on the sex offender registry. It’s fine if you no longer wish to be friends with this widow and her daughter, but please just decide to mind your own business and not destroy anyone’s life.
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The Principle of Least Interest: He who cares least about a relationship, controls it.
“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
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It's fine to have your own values and to think someone else is raising their child wrong. You are free to think it and feel it. You do not have the right to call the police on them just because you disagree with their parenting style. Unless the child is in danger. This is not one of those cases.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
Q. Re: Neighbor’s Teenage Daughter Having Sex : So the letter writer never had sex when she was young? Does she forget how it felt to be young and in love? She told the mom, mom’s OK with it, now let it go. You are very correct: We do not need more innocent people (like this) on the sex offender list, to be followed for the rest of their lives!
A: When I write on this subject, it is very clear that people get it. That is, they think there is madness afoot in our teen sexting laws, etc. But unfortunately, there are very, very few in the political class willing to say we’ve gone too far. So they keep ratcheting up the criminalization and punishments.
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It amazes me how many people who think just because someone is under the age of 18 there is some type of crime involved in such cases. Complete ignorance of the law.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
It amazes me how many people who think just because someone is under the age of 18 there is some type of crime involved in such cases. Complete ignorance of the law.
and vigilantism
and "I'm the only one who's right" syndrome.
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The Principle of Least Interest: He who cares least about a relationship, controls it.
It amazes me how many people who think just because someone is under the age of 18 there is some type of crime involved in such cases. Complete ignorance of the law.
and vigilantism
and "I'm the only one who's right" syndrome.
But if someone is truly breaking the law--then a call to the cops might be warranted. This is not such a case.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
It amazes me how many people who think just because someone is under the age of 18 there is some type of crime involved in such cases. Complete ignorance of the law.
and vigilantism
and "I'm the only one who's right" syndrome.
But if someone is truly breaking the law--then a call to the cops might be warranted. This is not such a case.
Right.
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The Principle of Least Interest: He who cares least about a relationship, controls it.
I think the LW needs to mind her own business. She did the right thing telling the mom, but since mom isn't going to do anything about it - it is not LW's place. Now, I understand if LW doesn't feel she wants to be friends, anymore. That's her choice. But calling the cops on a couple of teens having sex with parental blessing is not.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
I think the LW needs to mind her own business. She did the right thing telling the mom, but since mom isn't going to do anything about it - it is not LW's place. Now, I understand if LW doesn't feel she wants to be friends, anymore. That's her choice. But calling the cops on a couple of teens having sex with parental blessing is not.
Even if they don't have parental "blessing"--calling the cops is stupid.
I don't disagree with telling mom, necessarily, but calling the cops is dumb.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
As long as the girl is using effective birth control, there's no down side to allowing this monogamous relationship to continue.
People think they can keep teenagers chaste ...
but they've either accepted their parents' values on this (by the time they're 12, usually) or they haven't. And 16 y.o. teens having sex is not unusual.
The other thing parents might foolishly think is that they can convince teenagers to STOP having sex once they've started.
Nope, probably (almost) never. Once discovered, that pleasure and the hormone-driven behavior isn't going to go away.
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I agree with Lawyerlady. LW did the right thing in telling the mother. But once that was done, she should have butted out.
I also have to admit I do agree with the mother. If they are going to do it (and let's face it, short of keeping our children chained up in a dungeon, if they want to do it, they will find a way), then it's better that it be somewhere safe, with available protection, than in an alley somewhere when they can sneak in a quickie and might forget a condom.
Hopefully children are raised right and will wait until they are adults and at least in a serious committed relationship that's likely to end in marriage, but if that doesn't happen, better safe than them becoming parents (or worse, diseases and stuff).
I think the LW needs to mind her own business. She did the right thing telling the mom, but since mom isn't going to do anything about it - it is not LW's place. Now, I understand if LW doesn't feel she wants to be friends, anymore. That's her choice. But calling the cops on a couple of teens having sex with parental blessing is not.
Well, I agree. Tell the parents what you see. That is fine and used to be done. However, once you toss something into the justice system it can quickly turn into a mess that is out of your control. You don't know what road that can lead to with teens simply being normal teens.