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United States moves to punish South Africa over farm export impasse

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States moved to suspend trade benefits for South African farm products on Thursday, escalating a drawn-out dispute over U.S. chicken and meat exports.

 

U.S. President Barack Obama said he planned to revoke duty-free status for South African agricultural goods in 60 days under a program set up to help African exporters.

"I am taking this step because South Africa continues to impose several longstanding barriers to U.S. trade, including barriers affecting certain U.S. agricultural exports," he said in a letter to Congress.

South African Agriculture Minister Senzeni Zokwana expressed surprise at Obama's move on Friday.

"I am surprised because our veterinarians were meeting with the Americans last week," he said. "They exchanged information. We are waiting for the Americans to respond to the suggestions we have made."

Trade Minister Rob Davies said Pretoria was keen to act to prevent the threatened action.

"We take the letter seriously as a warning that if we don’t conclude, this will happen," he told a news conference in Cape Town.

South Africa has banned U.S. poultry imports since last December after an outbreak of bird flu. The measure came on top of 15 years of punitive import duties on some U.S. chicken products.

U.S. Trade Representative Michael Froman said South Africa could still avoid the suspension, which could cost it up to $7 million in lost benefits, if it met benchmarks to eliminate barriers to U.S. poultry, pork, and beef.

The country missed an Oct. 15 deadline to agree on new animal health and food safety rules, which also affect U.S. beef and pork exports, prompting the United States to warn that its eligibility for the African Growth and Opportunity Act (AGOA) trade program was at risk.

Eliminating barriers to U.S. trade and investment is one of the criteria for membership of AGOA, which was renewed earlier this year and provides duty-free access to goods from sub-Saharan African countries, ranging from crude oil to clothing.

“We do not take this decision lightly, and, in fact, have been working hard over many months – indeed years – to help South Africa avoid such action. Unfortunately, the issues persist," Froman said in a statement.

National Chicken Council President Mike Brown backed the move and said it made no sense for the United States to give special preferences to countries that treated it unfairly.

“This should send a clear message to South Africa and their poultry industry that they will not be given a ‘Get out of jail free’ card every time AGOA rounds the turn," he said.

South Africa exported $176 million in agricultural products to the United States under AGOA in 2014 and potential lost benefits are estimated to total $4 million to $7 million.

Products affected would include oranges, wine, macadamia nuts and edible ice, like sherbert - which normally has a tariff of 17 percent - and citrus juice, U.S. data shows.

(Reporting by Roberta Rampton and Krista Hughes; Editing by Sandra Maler, Phil Berlowitz, Bernard Orr in Washington, Wendell Roelf in Cape Town and Peroshni Govendar in Johannesburg; Editing by James Macharia)



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The U.S. should be getting used to this. A lot of countries don't want our crappy food.

 

And quite frankly, I think it is ridiculous to punish someone for actually having standards related to food.



-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Friday 6th of November 2015 09:20:42 AM

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DMS is taking losses on all of their dairy processing plants, because both China and Russia have decided to no longer buy their products.

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I wish our government would let light bulbs be made in America.

These crappy bulbs from China are worthless pieces of junk. They don't last as long as the old ones and are 3 times more expensive.

I know, nothing to do with the OP.

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I wish our government would let light bulbs be made in America.

These crappy bulbs from China are worthless pieces of junk. They don't last as long as the old ones and are 3 times more expensive.

I know, nothing to do with the OP.


Believe me the so called energy efficient light bulbs is not safer to use then the old time light bulbs.  All that is a joke. 



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just Czech wrote:

I wish our government would let light bulbs be made in America.

These crappy bulbs from China are worthless pieces of junk. They don't last as long as the old ones and are 3 times more expensive.

I know, nothing to do with the OP.


"The Government" is not stopping anyone from making light bulbs in the U.S.A., economics are doing that. 

If you want to set up a light bulb factory, feel free!!!

I haven't heard or seen anyone claim that the new bulbs are safer than the older incandescent bulbs. The compact fluorescent bulbs (CFL) use a lot less electricity (about 3/4 LESS for the same light output; but they contain mercury, and have to be recycled properly (Home Depot has a collection box outside their entrance). In my experience these last 4 to 8 times as long as the old bulbs.

The new L.E.D. bulbs use about 80% less electricity for the same light output, and are supposed to last 25 to 35 YEARS.

The L.E.D. bulbs don't have to be recycled.

It is now illegal to manufacture OR IMPORT incandescent bulbs over a certain wattage, I think the limit is 25 watts.

 

 



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just Czech wrote:

I wish our government would let light bulbs be made in America.

These crappy bulbs from China are worthless pieces of junk. They don't last as long as the old ones and are 3 times more expensive.

I know, nothing to do with the OP.


"The Government" is not stopping anyone from making light bulbs in the U.S.A., economics are doing that. 

If you want to set up a light bulb factory, feel free!!!

I haven't heard or seen anyone claim that the new bulbs are safer than the older incandescent bulbs. The compact fluorescent bulbs (CFL) use a lot less electricity (about 3/4 LESS for the same light output; but they contain mercury, and have to be recycled properly (Home Depot has a collection box outside their entrance). In my experience these last 4 to 8 times as long as the old bulbs.

The new L.E.D. bulbs use about 80% less electricity for the same light output, and are supposed to last 25 to 35 YEARS.

The L.E.D. bulbs don't have to be recycled.

It is now illegal to manufacture OR IMPORT incandescent bulbs over a certain wattage, I think the limit is 25 watts.

 

 


 And that is why I have a stash.



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Yep! Us too! We bought a lifetime worth. Those curly bulbs are horrible. The light isnt near as bright and even though they are supposed to last longer, they don't. And they are ugly...

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Lawyerlady wrote:

The U.S. should be getting used to this. A lot of countries don't want our crappy food.

 

And quite frankly, I think it is ridiculous to punish someone for actually having standards related to food.



-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Friday 6th of November 2015 09:20:42 AM


Wow.  Such ignorance.  This has NOTHING to do with food safety.  In fact, except for possibly the EU, the U.S. has the strictest food safety rules in the world.  This has everything to do with protectionism.   



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Lawyerlady wrote:

The U.S. should be getting used to this. A lot of countries don't want our crappy food.

 

And quite frankly, I think it is ridiculous to punish someone for actually having standards related to food.



-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Friday 6th of November 2015 09:20:42 AM


Wow.  Such ignorance.  This has NOTHING to do with food safety.  In fact, except for possibly the EU, the U.S. has the strictest food safety rules in the world.  This has everything to do with protectionism.   


 Wow.  Such IGNORANCE.  The FDA and the U.S. Department of Agriculture have become nothing but a joke.



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Please note that the United States products ONE SIXTH of the world's food supply.

If our government had a hissy fit and cut off food exports,

A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD STARVE TO DEATH.

 



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Please note that the United States products ONE SIXTH of the world's food supply.

If our government had a hissy fit and cut off food exports,

A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD STARVE TO DEATH.

 


Wow.  What arrogance. 



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Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:

The U.S. should be getting used to this. A lot of countries don't want our crappy food.

 

And quite frankly, I think it is ridiculous to punish someone for actually having standards related to food.



-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Friday 6th of November 2015 09:20:42 AM


Wow.  Such ignorance.  This has NOTHING to do with food safety.  In fact, except for possibly the EU, the U.S. has the strictest food safety rules in the world.  This has everything to do with protectionism.   


 Wow.  Such IGNORANCE.  The FDA and the U.S. Department of Agriculture have become nothing but a joke.


You are the one who is ignorant.  Again, except for possibly the EU, the U.S. has by FAR the safest food supply in the world.  That is a FACT.   



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huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:

The U.S. should be getting used to this. A lot of countries don't want our crappy food.

 

And quite frankly, I think it is ridiculous to punish someone for actually having standards related to food.



-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Friday 6th of November 2015 09:20:42 AM


Wow.  Such ignorance.  This has NOTHING to do with food safety.  In fact, except for possibly the EU, the U.S. has the strictest food safety rules in the world.  This has everything to do with protectionism.   


 Wow.  Such IGNORANCE.  The FDA and the U.S. Department of Agriculture have become nothing but a joke.


You are the one who is ignorant.  Again, except for possibly the EU, the U.S. has by FAR the safest food supply in the world.  That is a FACT.   


 Not anymore. 



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Lawyerlady wrote:
ed11563 wrote:

Please note that the United States products ONE SIXTH of the world's food supply.

If our government had a hissy fit and cut off food exports,

A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD STARVE TO DEATH.

 


Wow.  What arrogance. 


It's the truth--plus, if we didn't produce it, it would mean virtually all of the remaining grasslands in Africa and rain forests everywhere would disappear as people plowed them under in an attempt to feed themselves. 

 

What, you think people would just say "well, gee, we can't get access to food from overseas, so I guess we'll just quietly starve to death"????

No, they would at least attempt to grow it themselves.   



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Lawyerlady wrote:
ed11563 wrote:

Please note that the United States products ONE SIXTH of the world's food supply.

If our government had a hissy fit and cut off food exports,

A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD STARVE TO DEATH.

 


Wow.  What arrogance. 


It's the truth--plus, if we didn't produce it, it would mean virtually all of the remaining grasslands in Africa and rain forests everywhere would disappear as people plowed them under in an attempt to feed themselves. 

 

What, you think people would just say "well, gee, we can't get access to food from overseas, so I guess we'll just quietly starve to death"????

No, they would at least attempt to grow it themselves.   


 And it wouldn't be poisoned.  We aren't going to need to worry about world population pretty soon if Monsanto stays in charge of our food supply.



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Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
ed11563 wrote:

Please note that the United States products ONE SIXTH of the world's food supply.

If our government had a hissy fit and cut off food exports,

A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD STARVE TO DEATH.

 


Wow.  What arrogance. 


It's the truth--plus, if we didn't produce it, it would mean virtually all of the remaining grasslands in Africa and rain forests everywhere would disappear as people plowed them under in an attempt to feed themselves. 

 

What, you think people would just say "well, gee, we can't get access to food from overseas, so I guess we'll just quietly starve to death"????

No, they would at least attempt to grow it themselves.   


 And it wouldn't be poisoned.  We aren't going to need to worry about world population pretty soon if Monsanto stays in charge of our food supply.


That is simply a stupid comment on so many levels. 

First of all, Monsanto is NOT in charge of our food supply.  HEck, they are one of MANY agricultural companies who produce seed and/or chemicals.  People keep bringing up Monsanto is if they are the only one--because they are stupid and it's the only one they know.

Second, our food is not "poison".  Again, we have the safest food supply in the world. 

Third--so you are saying you are in favor of all the rain forests and African Savannah disappearing?  Relegating the only numbers of many species of wildlife only to zoos?   



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Bullshlt. Monsanto is very much in charge of our food supply and get away with bribes, intimidation and skewed studies. And they are all about POISON in every form. They are destroying our food to sell more deadly chemicals. ANYONE who tries to deny that only does so because they have something to gain out of it.

And the argument about needing to feed the world is stupid and is not necessary - we have been feeding the world just fine and would continue to do so. And their crops to NOT have the promised yields, and they are creating superweeds and needing to apply even more chemicals to the food.

But most importantly - the rest of the world doesn't WANT it, and it is the height of arrogance to try to force it on them anyway.

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And if you want to talk about environmental impacts - they are killing the bees. Kill the bees and the world's food supply is in a hell of a lot MORE trouble. They are also killing the butterflies. It needs to STOP.

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Lawyerlady wrote:

The U.S. should be getting used to this. A lot of countries don't want our crappy food.

 

And quite frankly, I think it is ridiculous to punish someone for actually having standards related to food.



-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Friday 6th of November 2015 09:20:42 AM


Wow.  Such ignorance.  This has NOTHING to do with food safety.  In fact, except for possibly the EU, the U.S. has the strictest food safety rules in the world.  This has everything to do with protectionism.  


I guess that's why your dairy products are loaded with antibiotics and growth hormones, which you can't sell up here. And then there's this....

http://topinfopost.com/2013/07/10/10-american-foods-that-are-banned-in-other-countries

 



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huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:

The U.S. should be getting used to this. A lot of countries don't want our crappy food.

 

And quite frankly, I think it is ridiculous to punish someone for actually having standards related to food.



-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Friday 6th of November 2015 09:20:42 AM


Wow.  Such ignorance.  This has NOTHING to do with food safety.  In fact, except for possibly the EU, the U.S. has the strictest food safety rules in the world.  This has everything to do with protectionism.   


 Wow.  Such IGNORANCE.  The FDA and the U.S. Department of Agriculture have become nothing but a joke.


You are the one who is ignorant.  Again, except for possibly the EU, the U.S. has by FAR the safest food supply in the world.  That is a FACT.   


Calling a mod ignorant isn't a vacation-worthy offence?  Good to know.



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