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One of my friends’ neighbors recently told him a provocative story about cable repair. Apparently this neighbor—let’s call him Bill—had waited for hours at home for a repairman; finally, the cable company called to announce its representative’s impending arrival just as Bill was about to leave on an errand. Bill, by his own account, responded that there was no way a repairman was getting into his house when the only other person home was his wife. Bill’s tone, per my friend, conveyed indignation that such an insulting possibility had even been considered.
When my friend shared this story with me and several others via email, all agreed that there is nothing improper about a married person being home with a Comcast specialist when his/her husband/wife is away. Chill out, Bill! If we’re going to start making rules about when who is and isn’t allowed to fix the cable, the cable’s never going to get fixed. But my friend raised the stakes by proposing similar hypothetical situations that weren’t as easy to dismiss. Maybe it wouldn’t bother you if your spouse were home with a repair person—but what if he/she mentioned stopping by a single colleague’s house to finish up a project they were working on together? What if your life partner and an acquaintance, sports fans both, watched the Big Game by themselves? What if an attractive area parent brought his or her kid over for a play date while you were at work? What if you were out of town for the weekend and your spouse and a single friend went to see the buzzy movie du jour It became clear on our email chain, and in my own conversations with a number of friends and colleagues about the subject, that for some (but not all) people (both men and women), the situations described just don’t seem quite right. Several said they’d be uncomfortable if their spouse or partner engaged in certain interactions without them and/or felt their spouses might not be happy with them if they did the same. “I would say ‘OK,’ but I will probably not really be OK with it,” said one. “I’d feel some unease. Not in any specific way. I’d just feel funny,” said another. Said one about the idea of a man he didn’t know well socializing with his wife: “My reaction would be to act like I’m cool with it then insult him constantly when he’s not around.”
Jealousy is always a factor, albeit a nebulous one.
None of my sources hold especially conservative beliefs about sexual relationships or roles. In many parts of the world, of course, ideas about what married people can and can’t do are enforced by religious and legal authorities (mostly to the detriment of women), but no one here was suggesting that they were morally uneasy about the mere idea of men and women (or gay men and women and other gay men and women, as it were) being alone together. None said that the hypothetical situations would make them seriously suspicious that their partners were being unfaithful. Some people that I put the question to, meanwhile, said none of the hypothetical situations described would bother them. Why was the idea of Nonspousal Alone Time so selectively unsettling? When is it OK to be by yourself with another person’s spouse?
For those who admitted concern, jealousy was a factor, albeit a nebulous one. One man said the possibility of a straight man thinking about his wife in a sexual way while alone with her made him uneasy even though he wasn’t worried about infidelity per se. A woman with two kids told me that the idea of her husband spending precious free time away from the family with anyone—female or male, sexually compatible or not—who wasn’t a longtime friend would make her jealous. A man with two kids of his own mused that the most upsetting aspect of his wife going on a business trip with someone else wouldn’t be the specter of infidelity—it would be the idea of her enjoying someplace luxurious and not covered with kids’ toys. “Room service and fresh linens and everybody all suited up and ****.” (Still, he said, he’d be OK with it.) Another man wondered if watching a sporting event with an unattached woman would somehow imply that his own wife was in some way undesirable because she didn’t like sports. And several people copped to knowing that they wouldn’t be worried about their partner’s time with another man/woman if the interloper in question was notably unattractive.
What might be happening is that our jealous reptile brains haven’t caught up with new social rules and gender roles. These hypotheticals are situations—men and women traveling together for business; a married man being a primary caregiver for children during the day; women identifying as sports fans—that to greater and lesser degrees didn’t exist until relatively recently. As historian Stephanie Coontz of Evergreen State College noted when I asked her about the subject, the Industrial Revolution–era doctrine of separate men’s and women’s spheres limited interaction between the sexes for a large chunk of American history: Men’s spheres were public life and the workplace, and women’s was the home. Marriages were often arranged through families and preceded by formal “courtship.” Over the course of the 20th century, though, women entered previously male workplaces and outside-the-home dating became common. And roles that were pioneering in the baby boom era are now the norm: Since 1967 (to pick one year of noted upheaval), the share of women in the labor force has gone from 39 percent to 58 percent, the share of women 18 to 24 who are enrolled in college has gone from 19 percent to 45 percent, and the average age at which women marry for the first time has gone from 21 to 27. There are more opportunities for male-female socialization in the United States now than ever before.
At the same time, we’ve removed our government from its historic role as a regulator of sexual morality. Eric Berkowitz, author of a history of sexual laws called Sex and Punishment: Four Thousand Years of Judging Desire, pointed out to me that the American judicial system has historically taken great interest in private sexual behavior; until fairly recently adultery was considered a criminal offense and sex was often at issue in divorce proceedings because of rules that required one party in the breakup to be found at fault. (If you go all the way back to the era of the Assyrians, Berkowitz’s book says, “any man who ‘traveled’ with an unrelated woman had to pay money to her husband and prove—sometimes by jumping into a swiftly flowing river and surviving—that he had not taken the woman as a sexual partner.”) While some adultery laws are still technically on the books, the government is for the most part no longer concerned about what adults do with each other behind closed doors. No-fault divorce laws were widely adopted in the 1970s, which is also around the time that adultery prosecutions became increasingly unheard of. The Supreme Court’s 2003 Lawrence v. Texas decision legalized all consensual sex between adults. Younger (straight) married couples today have grown up in a world in which their sexual and relationship choices were never society’s business. (The situation is obviously much different for gay couples.)
There was limited interaction between the sexes for a large chunk of American history.
And yet, as Berkowitz points out, “I don’t think that people’s desire to possess the body of their spouse is any less intense than it was 125 years ago.” A married man being alone with a woman besides his wife (and vice versa) was once a relatively rare occurrence that could even raise the specter of criminal activity. Now such interactions are common, and not suspicious in any legal sense—but can still carry the hint of wrongness. “We’re probably more suspicious now than we used to be because there aren’t the restrictions, the social restrictions, the whole broad range of habits that kept people separate 50 or 60 years ago,” Berkowitz says. “At that time there wouldn’t have been a business trip set up that two [married] colleagues would go on together. Now that happens, but it doesn’t mean that the spouses are not concerned.” As my unscientific survey indicates, jealousy can easily lead to hurt feelings and misgivings even if adultery isn’t committed or even contemplated.
As it happens, Stephanie Coontz actually told me she had heard of husbands in the 1950s and ’60s “forbidding their wives to have repairmen or survey-takers in their homes when they were not there.” She added that such attitudes were not widespread even at the time, and that in some cases “it was the women who were afraid to have a strange man in the house or even on the porch, rather than the man being jealous.” The lesson here, maybe, is that there’s never been a clear standard, even an unwritten one, on when and where we’re supposed to avoid nonsingle people—and for whose benefit we’re doing so. It’s up to us, as always, to keep each other happy by working out the rules on our own. When is it OK to be alone with someone else’s spouse? That’s up to the three of you to decide
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Uh, oh. A friendly man who used to drive my bus gives me a ride to work everyday! The horror! The scandal! He lives right by my office and is dropping his wife at her work.
So a guy wanting to make sure his wife is not alone, in the house, with a stranger, is a bad thing?
That's called chivalry.
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I would be home alone with workers, etc. Not sure how my DH feels about it...but there were times he stayed home as well.
That's fine for you, then. But not everybody feels that way. Some women don't feel comfortable being alone with workers in the house. And it isn't WRONG for a husband to not feel comfortable with it, either.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
My dad knows so many people it's hard to find someone that doesn't know him.
He is always sending people here to do things.
I don't really think about it.
But I can totally understand not liking being alone with a stranger you don't know.
Like I told him once, just because you know them, doesn't mean I do.
I did have a problem with strangers being in or at my house when the kids were little.
Now, I have 2 big guys here most of the time.
One is 6'2" and the other is 6'4". Both around 180-200lbs.
I come with my own bodyguards.
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Oh good lord, I've been doing this for years! The amount of repairmen, handymen, etc I've had here is overwhelming sometimes. You keep your front door opened, let people know what is going on and make phone calls so the person knows others are aware. Most workman are trustworthy.
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All I am saying is, there is nothing wrong with a husband being concerned with the safety of his family.
It's actually nice.
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Well there are a lot of untrustworthy people in the world.
An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure.
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Hey. I'm a single mom and had to do a lot of things on my own.
I haven't had the husband that was concerned for his family.
I've seen it.
I just don't find that kind of caring offensive.
I find it sweet.
I'm not saying don't live in our world.
Just saying it is nice to see a husband care about his family.
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Personally, I never gave it a second thought. I wouldn't get anything done if I had to wait for DH to be here all the time. Most of these installations and so forth are done during the week and I have a more flexible schedule. So yeah, someone could rape and kill you I suppose. But, so could any number of people jump you or break into your home or just walk through your front door if you left it open. If we get to the point that society is getting that dangerous, then yes. There is nothing wrong with not having people there without your spouse, but if you feel more comfortable and it is something you can manage in your life, then fine. But, we would never get anything done.
As for other issues, my business partner and I had to travel together at times and go out for dinner meetings, etc. It wasn't a big deal. Dh and I completely trust one another so I wouldn't think something is askance if he was with some other woman for work related things or gave a friend at work a ride or whatever. If you can't trust your spouse, you have NOTHING. And, if DH or I would want to cheat, who is going to stop it? If he would want to cheat, then go cheat, have at it, do your thing but soon you would be getting the hell out and vice versa. You aren't going to stop another grown up from doing whatever the hell they want to do so not sure why anyone would exert so much energy with the whole Jealous thing.
Here, there was a pizza delivery guy who abducted, raped, and murdered a woman.
When I was with my ex, I tried not to be alone with men at all. I worked in an office with just my male boss and he hated it. But those were his issues. And I did it because I was afraid of his reaction and that he would hurt me.
Now, being single, it is a bit of a moot point. But I'm go to lunch with married men all the time and there is nothing unsavory going on there. I know most of their wives and everyone is ok with it.
the article is somewhat ambiguous--typical of this type of author
we are each careful when allowing ANYONE into our personal space--each for our own reasons--and especially when either of us are alone--not paranoid, just practical--we're each more than capable of defending ourselves/each other but why take any sort of chance--if something looks wrong / feels wrong, we just pass and get someone else
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the article is somewhat ambiguous--typical of this type of author
we are each careful when allowing ANYONE into our personal space--each for our own reasons--and especially when either of us are alone--not paranoid, just practical--we're each more than capable of defending ourselves/each other but why take any sort of chance--if something looks wrong / feels wrong, we just pass and get someone else
I agree. Being home alone when there are workers there is different than watching a football game with a person of the opposite sex.
I never really thought about if before. Heck I had the ac guy....furniture delivery guys and the appliance dudes all in one saturday when I moved in here. I suppose I was lucky they werent psychos....it can happen.
If the husband is concerned for her safety and not because he doesnt trust her I guess it's ok.
Personally, I never gave it a second thought. I wouldn't get anything done if I had to wait for DH to be here all the time. Most of these installations and so forth are done during the week and I have a more flexible schedule. So yeah, someone could rape and kill you I suppose. But, so could any number of people jump you or break into your home or just walk through your front door if you left it open. If we get to the point that society is getting that dangerous, then yes. There is nothing wrong with not having people there without your spouse, but if you feel more comfortable and it is something you can manage in your life, then fine. But, we would never get anything done.
As for other issues, my business partner and I had to travel together at times and go out for dinner meetings, etc. It wasn't a big deal. Dh and I completely trust one another so I wouldn't think something is askance if he was with some other woman for work related things or gave a friend at work a ride or whatever. If you can't trust your spouse, you have NOTHING. And, if DH or I would want to cheat, who is going to stop it? If he would want to cheat, then go cheat, have at it, do your thing but soon you would be getting the hell out and vice versa. You aren't going to stop another grown up from doing whatever the hell they want to do so not sure why anyone would exert so much energy with the whole Jealous thing.
Yeah. It's such a NON issue.
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Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
Good grief, saying it's okay and chivalrous for a man to be concerned about his wife being alone with strangers in the house does not mean the same thing as a woman isn't capable of it.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Good grief, saying it's okay and chivalrous for a man to be concerned about his wife being alone with strangers in the house does not mean the same thing as a woman isn't capable of it.
Dear Prudie:
I have been married to my husband for 3 years. I love him, but he will never let me be alone with any man--even his brother. He gets insanely jealous when the possibility even exists. It's gotten so I can't even go to the house of our good friend without calling to make sure his wife is home, first, even if it's just to drop something off.
One time, the UPS guy came and the package was very heavy, so I had him bring it into the house. My husband happened to drive up when the man was leaving, and he went ballistic. The UPS guy felt threatened and almost called the cops. He berated me so badly it drove me to tears.
What should I do?
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
Let's take "husband" out of the issue. My dad suggests that if I have a repair person coming, I should have a friend over. He cautions me to be careful when traveling alone or in unfamiliar areas. That is genuine concern. I have male coworkers who have told me to call them to come up if we have visitors that make me uncomfortable being alone with them. Again, it's genuine concern. I don't like my mother to go meet prospective tenants alone, I make sure to go with her. That is out of genuine concern.
Concern for someone's well being is different than jealousy.
I have been single for a long time. I have never even had a thought that I was unsafe when a repair person comes. I am female, most repairmen ARE men. Seriously, I cannot imagine this is a real issue.
Paranoia runs deep, into your lives it will creep
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So we have concealed carry permits for when we are out in public but can't understand concern for safety when the stranger actually comes inside the house.
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I'm hiring a neighbor (who is a contractor) to replace the shutters on the front of our house. I plan to have DH meet with him. I was reminded of this thread. LOL