TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Mother banned from seeing her baby daughter in intensive care for being 'disruptive' after the other twin died

FNW · Guru

I'm confused. Is she banned, or not? And if she's banned, is it because she's suing the hospital, or because she displayed grief over the loss of the twin?

While the grief of losing a child must be unbearable, a part of me is skeptical of people who create "gofundme" accounts.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

If she was disruptive enough, yeah, they removed her.

I understand grieving.

But the hospital is not the place to lose control.

I know someone will flame me for not being compassionate.

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
If she was disruptive enough, yeah, they removed her.

I understand grieving.

But the hospital is not the place to lose control.

I know someone will flame me for not being compassionate.

Well, it all depends on what she actually did.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

It sounds like she was complaining about the care her child was getting so they banned her from the hospital. So she sued them, and then they let her back in.

huskerbb · Guru

I'd like to know who's paying for all this.

FNW · Guru

Sympathizers on her gofundme site?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I doubt the hospital can go into much detail. This is what was said:

Prior to being kept from going in, McCullough could see Hannah for two hours each day in mid-December, the television station reported.

A hospital lawyer sent an email detailing supposed agreement infractions, Avery told KUSA.

McCullough is refuting the allegations against her, the news outlet noted.

flan

huskerbb · Guru

FNW wrote:
Sympathizers on her gofundme site?

She not getting all the money for surgery such as this from there.

i hope they have insurance.

If if she's not paying for it, or an insurance company with premiums paid by her or an employer--she has a lot less room to gripe.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Yeah.

Ok.

So a grieving mom cant be vocal about her survive in child's care unless you approve of the method of payment?

Total class act you are.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

The gofundme account is for money to move the child to another hospital. The transfer would be expensive.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
The gofundme account is for money to move the child to another hospital. The transfer would be expensive.

Exactly.

It's all the way across the country...from Colorado to Boston.

Yet, in the OP, the mother praises the hospital:

'Without Children's Hospital of Colorado, neither of my daughters would have had a chance,' she wrote.

'They didn't put me off or turn me away contingent on guarantee of payment like most places do.

'Instead, they told me to just get her and we'd figure it out from there. I truly consider this place to be a miracle factory full of compassion.'

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I generally don't like the attitude that hospitals can do whatever they want and parents just have to tow the line. If she felt her child was not recieving proper care, she had every right to throw a fit about it - especially after another child just died. There was a bruise all down the side of the baby's face, for heaven's sake - you telling me you wouldn't raise hell about that if no one could explain it?

FNW · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
The gofundme account is for money to move the child to another hospital. The transfer would be expensive.
Exactly.
It's all the way across the country...from Colorado to Boston.
Yet, in the OP, the mother praises the hospital:
'Without Children's Hospital of Colorado, neither of my daughters would have had a chance,' she wrote.
'They didn't put me off or turn me away contingent on guarantee of payment like most places do.
'Instead, they told me to just get her and we'd figure it out from there. I truly consider this place to be a miracle factory full of compassion.'

flan

Yeah, that was confusing to me as well.

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Yeah.

Ok.

So a grieving mom cant be vocal about her survive in child's care unless you approve of the method of payment?

Total class act you are.

If you want to gripe, you pay for it.

she even says both of them probably would have died without the care received at that hospital.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

She can be grateful they saved the kids life without giving up the right to be vocal about her baby's care.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

And WTH kind of hospital bans a mother from seeing her newborn? Especially one whose twin just died. That baby NEEDED contact with its mother. Anybody knows baby's respond to love and affection. Geesh.

huskerbb · Guru

Bite the hand that feeds you.

Empyreal · Senior Member

Too sad..

Not one day goes by that I don't thank god my kids are healthy. I'm just not strong enough. This would kill me.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Bite the hand that feeds you.

If the hand is attached to an overbearing ass that can't explain how my kid has a bruise all over their face when in their care, bite HARD.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I'd really love an update to this story.

The bruise could have come from a piece of medical tubing. We simply don't know.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
I'd really love an update to this story.

The bruise could have come from a piece of medical tubing. We simply don't know.

flan

That's is why one would demand an explanation. And it wasn't just the bruise -

'After reporting a sentinel event involving too much heparin, a broviac placement, a hematoma that extended past her jawline and into her face with a nurse refusing to call a doctor, then spraying blood profusely from her neck, and then learning that the CT they took identified air bubbles in her neck from a hematoma before they ever sent her back up in the first place, they just didn't read it until hours later, after all that we were retaliated against for having filed complaints to make sure that it never happens again.'

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
I generally don't like the attitude that hospitals can do whatever they want and parents just have to tow the line. If she felt her child was not recieving proper care, she had every right to throw a fit about it - especially after another child just died. There was a bruise all down the side of the baby's face, for heaven's sake - you telling me you wouldn't raise hell about that if no one could explain it?

A child with a single ventricle heart isn't going to live. So, when they were seperated, there is no way that the other twin was going to live. Bruising can happen for a lot of reasons. She had extensive medical intervention and was on blood thinners. So, that in itself is not any indication whatsoever of any medical neglect. And, as i said, that baby had no chance to survive.

However, keeping a mom from her critically ill child should only be done under extreme conditions. That child MEDICALLY needs to be held by its own mother. Being angry is one thing. If she was 'disruptive" in a way that prevented care or interefered with others, then yes, they may have to set up a more controlled visiting time, but certainly not bar her completely. If she was doing things like pulling out lines, injecting her child with substances or whatever, then those are really the only situations where i would think they could ban someone.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
I'd really love an update to this story.

The bruise could have come from a piece of medical tubing. We simply don't know.

flan
That's is why one would demand an explanation. And it wasn't just the bruise -
'After reporting a sentinel event involving too much heparin, a broviac placement, a hematoma that extended past her jawline and into her face with a nurse refusing to call a doctor, then spraying blood profusely from her neck, and then learning that the CT they took identified air bubbles in her neck from a hematoma before they ever sent her back up in the first place, they just didn't read it until hours later, after all that we were retaliated against for having filed complaints to make sure that it never happens again.'

If a nurse was flushing a central line, that could "spray blood". Or, when it was inserted the indication that it is in place is the blood flowing from the port. It isn't uncommon to get bruising or even a bruise(hematoma) when inserting it.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
I'd really love an update to this story.

The bruise could have come from a piece of medical tubing. We simply don't know.

flan
That's is why one would demand an explanation. And it wasn't just the bruise -
'After reporting a sentinel event involving too much heparin, a broviac placement, a hematoma that extended past her jawline and into her face with a nurse refusing to call a doctor, then spraying blood profusely from her neck, and then learning that the CT they took identified air bubbles in her neck from a hematoma before they ever sent her back up in the first place, they just didn't read it until hours later, after all that we were retaliated against for having filed complaints to make sure that it never happens again.'
If a nurse was flushing a central line, that could "spray blood". Or, when it was inserted the indication that it is in place is the blood flowing from the port. It isn't uncommon to get bruising or even a bruise(hematoma) when inserting it.

Gaga - a grieving mother is not going to know that is medically normal and spraying blood would be alarming to most. If she asks to speak to her child's doctor, the nurse should not refuse to call.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
I'd really love an update to this story.

The bruise could have come from a piece of medical tubing. We simply don't know.

flan
That's is why one would demand an explanation. And it wasn't just the bruise -
'After reporting a sentinel event involving too much heparin, a broviac placement, a hematoma that extended past her jawline and into her face with a nurse refusing to call a doctor, then spraying blood profusely from her neck, and then learning that the CT they took identified air bubbles in her neck from a hematoma before they ever sent her back up in the first place, they just didn't read it until hours later, after all that we were retaliated against for having filed complaints to make sure that it never happens again.'
If a nurse was flushing a central line, that could "spray blood". Or, when it was inserted the indication that it is in place is the blood flowing from the port. It isn't uncommon to get bruising or even a bruise(hematoma) when inserting it.

And a mother who is out of her mind with worry would not know those things.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I generally don't like the attitude that hospitals can do whatever they want and parents just have to tow the line. If she felt her child was not recieving proper care, she had every right to throw a fit about it - especially after another child just died. There was a bruise all down the side of the baby's face, for heaven's sake - you telling me you wouldn't raise hell about that if no one could explain it?
A child with a single ventricle heart isn't going to live. So, when they were seperated, there is no way that the other twin was going to live. Bruising can happen for a lot of reasons. She had extensive medical intervention and was on blood thinners. So, that in itself is not any indication whatsoever of any medical neglect. And, as i said, that baby had no chance to survive.
However, keeping a mom from her critically ill child should only be done under extreme conditions. That child MEDICALLY needs to be held by its own mother. Being angry is one thing. If she was 'disruptive" in a way that prevented care or interefered with others, then yes, they may have to set up a more controlled visiting time, but certainly not bar her completely. If she was doing things like pulling out lines, injecting her child with substances or whatever, then those are really the only situations where i would think they could ban someone.

I agree!

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
I'd really love an update to this story.

The bruise could have come from a piece of medical tubing. We simply don't know.

flan
That's is why one would demand an explanation. And it wasn't just the bruise -
'After reporting a sentinel event involving too much heparin, a broviac placement, a hematoma that extended past her jawline and into her face with a nurse refusing to call a doctor, then spraying blood profusely from her neck, and then learning that the CT they took identified air bubbles in her neck from a hematoma before they ever sent her back up in the first place, they just didn't read it until hours later, after all that we were retaliated against for having filed complaints to make sure that it never happens again.'
If a nurse was flushing a central line, that could "spray blood". Or, when it was inserted the indication that it is in place is the blood flowing from the port. It isn't uncommon to get bruising or even a bruise(hematoma) when inserting it.
Gaga - a grieving mother is not going to know that is medically normal and spraying blood would be alarming to most. If she asks to speak to her child's doctor, the nurse should not refuse to call.

Of course. I don't disagree with that LL. And, the child needs mom to hold her. As for calling doctors, nurses have to make judgments on when to call doctors, otherwise, that is all they would be doing if every pt demands to "call the doctor". However, that obviously should have been handled in a better way.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
I'd really love an update to this story.

The bruise could have come from a piece of medical tubing. We simply don't know.

flan
That's is why one would demand an explanation. And it wasn't just the bruise -
'After reporting a sentinel event involving too much heparin, a broviac placement, a hematoma that extended past her jawline and into her face with a nurse refusing to call a doctor, then spraying blood profusely from her neck, and then learning that the CT they took identified air bubbles in her neck from a hematoma before they ever sent her back up in the first place, they just didn't read it until hours later, after all that we were retaliated against for having filed complaints to make sure that it never happens again.'
If a nurse was flushing a central line, that could "spray blood". Or, when it was inserted the indication that it is in place is the blood flowing from the port. It isn't uncommon to get bruising or even a bruise(hematoma) when inserting it.
Gaga - a grieving mother is not going to know that is medically normal and spraying blood would be alarming to most. If she asks to speak to her child's doctor, the nurse should not refuse to call.

No way. Doctors can't be bothered every time someone has some concern--especially is there is another medical professional there to handle it.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

WTH? Yes, a patient or the parent of a patient should be able to call their doctor. If that's too much of a burden for the doctor, no wonder she wants to move the kid.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

This child has been "medically kidnapped". That is the new term for hospitals and doctors who refuse parental rights to parents.

Remember Justina Peltier? Boston Medical "medically kidnapped" her from her parents and almost killed her with their "experimentation".

There is a move in the medical sector to hinder parents from taking part in the care of their fragile children. This case is a perfect example.

What "decent" hospital would call the mother a slut? Yes, I saw that one on a Colorado site. Wish I had copied it, since the comment has been removed.

And what right minded hospital would require a signed "behavioral" agreement? Hmm?

Yet, the hospital is NOT being held accountable.

I am really uncomfortable with the new movement in the medical community to limit parent/child access, period. The mother has NOT harmed her child. The hospital, on the other hand, has.

weltschmerz · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
I'd really love an update to this story.

The bruise could have come from a piece of medical tubing. We simply don't know.

flan
That's is why one would demand an explanation. And it wasn't just the bruise -
'After reporting a sentinel event involving too much heparin, a broviac placement, a hematoma that extended past her jawline and into her face with a nurse refusing to call a doctor, then spraying blood profusely from her neck, and then learning that the CT they took identified air bubbles in her neck from a hematoma before they ever sent her back up in the first place, they just didn't read it until hours later, after all that we were retaliated against for having filed complaints to make sure that it never happens again.'
If a nurse was flushing a central line, that could "spray blood". Or, when it was inserted the indication that it is in place is the blood flowing from the port. It isn't uncommon to get bruising or even a bruise(hematoma) when inserting it.
Gaga - a grieving mother is not going to know that is medically normal and spraying blood would be alarming to most. If she asks to speak to her child's doctor, the nurse should not refuse to call.
No way. Doctors can't be bothered every time someone has some concern--especially is there is another medical professional there to handle it.

Agree. if the doctor had to see everyone who asked for him, he'd never get out of there. He has other critically ill patients.

I can't tell you how many times I've explained everything thoroughly to a patient, and they still demand to speak to a doctor.

Not going to happen. I can let him know you want to see him, and he'll see you when he has time. he's not at your beck and call.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I've only had one doctor not take time to talk with me.

We never used him again.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

We actually don't know how the OP behaved.

flan

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

flan327 wrote:
We actually don't know how the OP behaved.

flan

As long as she didn't assault a nurse or doctor, what do you want for "behavior"?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

just Czech wrote:
flan327 wrote:
We actually don't know how the OP behaved.

flan
As long as she didn't assault a nurse or doctor, what do you want for "behavior"?

Yes, exactly how is the grieving, worried sick mother supposed to behave?

huskerbb · Guru

just Czech wrote:
flan327 wrote:
We actually don't know how the OP behaved.

flan
As long as she didn't assault a nurse or doctor, what do you want for "behavior"?

Could be lots of things. We really don't know what she did.

Yell, curse, disrupt the environment for OTHER patients. They have a right to peaceable care even if she's upset.

huskerbb · Guru

just Czech wrote:
This child has been "medically kidnapped". That is the new term for hospitals and doctors who refuse parental rights to parents.

Remember Justina Peltier? Boston Medical "medically kidnapped" her from her parents and almost killed her with their "experimentation".

There is a move in the medical sector to hinder parents from taking part in the care of their fragile children. This case is a perfect example.

What "decent" hospital would call the mother a slut? Yes, I saw that one on a Colorado site. Wish I had copied it, since the comment has been removed.

And what right minded hospital would require a signed "behavioral" agreement? Hmm?

Yet, the hospital is NOT being held accountable.

I am really uncomfortable with the new movement in the medical community to limit parent/child access, period. The mother has NOT harmed her child. The hospital, on the other hand, has.

They didn't make her sign a behavioral agreement until she couldn't behave herself.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
We actually don't know how the OP behaved.

flan

Yes. And the hospital wont discuss it. We are only hearing one side.

huskerbb · Guru

If she's yelling and cursing in the NICU, that can't be good for the other patients.

Sometimes, it's not all about you or what you think you want or need.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

All "incidents" where in private meetings or one on one, not in the NICU.

Asking a question is not misbehaving.

Answering a question (from a nurse) is not misbehaving.

IMHO, the hospital has become a control monger.

huskerbb · Guru

just Czech wrote:
All "incidents" where in private meetings or one on one, not in the NICU.

Asking a question is not misbehaving.

Answering a question (from a nurse) is not misbehaving.

IMHO, the hospital has become a control monger.

???? Where do you get that? It says nothing of the sort in the article.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

huskerbb wrote:
just Czech wrote:
All "incidents" where in private meetings or one on one, not in the NICU.

Asking a question is not misbehaving.

Answering a question (from a nurse) is not misbehaving.

IMHO, the hospital has become a control monger.
???? Where do you get that? It says nothing of the sort in the article.

I've been reading posts out of Colorado for several days now on this case.

huskerbb · Guru

I highly doubt that is true. If you have more info., I'll certainly read it if you care to post it.

Otherwise, I don't believe for a second all these incidents where she is angry at the care her child is getting were confined to private meetings.

huskerbb · Guru

Plus, the hospital obviously doesn't do this for EVERY person who complains about the care their loved one is getting, or there would be HUNDREDS of people with behavior plans in the news.

She did something out of line. We don't have the hospital's side of the story.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Plus, the hospital obviously doesn't do this for EVERY person who complains about the care their loved one is getting, or there would be HUNDREDS of people with behavior plans in the news.

She did something out of line. We don't have the hospital's side of the story.

She complained and they retaliated - it sounds pretty cut and dry. You have no evidence she did anything out of line, and the fact the hospital let her back in after the story went public is very telling.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Plus, the hospital obviously doesn't do this for EVERY person who complains about the care their loved one is getting, or there would be HUNDREDS of people with behavior plans in the news.

She did something out of line. We don't have the hospital's side of the story.
She complained and they retaliated - it sounds pretty cut and dry. You have no evidence she did anything out of line, and the fact the hospital let her back in after the story went public is very telling.

???? I don't need "evidence". The fact that the hospital did what they did is proof enough. They didn't do it to EVERYONE who complained now did they?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Plus, the hospital obviously doesn't do this for EVERY person who complains about the care their loved one is getting, or there would be HUNDREDS of people with behavior plans in the news.

She did something out of line. We don't have the hospital's side of the story.
She complained and they retaliated - it sounds pretty cut and dry. You have no evidence she did anything out of line, and the fact the hospital let her back in after the story went public is very telling.
???? I don't need "evidence". The fact that the hospital did what they did is proof enough. They didn't do it to EVERYONE who complained now did they?

And this is the problem. The hospital and nurses could actually be in the WRONG, you know. You take their side regardless of knowing the facts. Why?

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Plus, the hospital obviously doesn't do this for EVERY person who complains about the care their loved one is getting, or there would be HUNDREDS of people with behavior plans in the news.

She did something out of line. We don't have the hospital's side of the story.
She complained and they retaliated - it sounds pretty cut and dry. You have no evidence she did anything out of line, and the fact the hospital let her back in after the story went public is very telling.
???? I don't need "evidence". The fact that the hospital did what they did is proof enough. They didn't do it to EVERYONE who complained now did they?
And this is the problem. The hospital and nurses could actually be in the WRONG, you know. You take their side regardless of knowing the facts. Why?

And you took the side of the mother knowing the exact same information I have. Why? She could be wrong, you know. That is the problem.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Plus, the hospital obviously doesn't do this for EVERY person who complains about the care their loved one is getting, or there would be HUNDREDS of people with behavior plans in the news.

She did something out of line. We don't have the hospital's side of the story.
She complained and they retaliated - it sounds pretty cut and dry. You have no evidence she did anything out of line, and the fact the hospital let her back in after the story went public is very telling.
???? I don't need "evidence". The fact that the hospital did what they did is proof enough. They didn't do it to EVERYONE who complained now did they?
And this is the problem. The hospital and nurses could actually be in the WRONG, you know. You take their side regardless of knowing the facts. Why?
And you took the side of the mother knowing the exact same information I have. Why? She could be wrong, you know. That is the problem.

She wasn't arrested for assault or anything else. There was no court order. If she did anything worthy of HAVING HER CHILD KEPT FROM HER, there would have been police records.

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