TOTALLY GEEKED!

FNW · Guru

Power in the name of Jesus

weltschmerz · Guru

Coincidence.
Funny how God didn't stop other church shootings.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I don't believe in coincidence.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

NOTHING is ever a coincidence?

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
NOTHING is ever a coincidence?

flan

Nope.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

If the guy told him he was there to kill him, the Priest likely prayed to God about the matter right then.

FNW · Guru

I don't think anyone had time to pray before the other shootings.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I believe in coincidence. I have no idea what happened in THIS situation, though.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

FNW wrote:
I don't think anyone had time to pray before the other shootings.

ALL the other shootings? Of course they had time.

flan

huskerbb · Guru

It's very dangerous thinking to say things like he was spared because he prayed, and others were not because they didn't. That implies that if they only pray, everyone would be saved. That illogic further implies that it's their fault if they then get killed.

People try to apply that same distorted thinking to things like cancer.

I'm not saying people should not pray. I'm not saying that praying can't or doesn't make a difference. I am saying that we cannot fathom Gods ways, and to boil it down to this person was spared because they prayed and that one was not because they didn't is absolutely unBiblical.

God NEVER promises there will not be heartache, pain, and loss in this life--and that goes for everyone from the most devout Christian to the die hard atheist.

What God does promise is that faith in him will bring you to eternal life.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
It's very dangerous thinking to say things like he was spared because he prayed, and others were not because they didn't. That implies that if they only pray, everyone would be saved. That illogic further implies that it's their fault if they then get killed.

People try to apply that same distorted thinking to things like cancer.

I'm not saying people should not pray. I'm not saying that praying can't or doesn't make a difference. I am saying that we cannot fathom Gods ways, and to boil it down to this person was spared because they prayed and that one was not because they didn't is absolutely unBiblical.

God NEVER promises there will not be heartache, pain, and loss in this life--and that goes for everyone from the most devout Christian to the die hard atheist.

What God does promise is that faith in him will bring you to eternal life.

Thank you.

flan

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
It's very dangerous thinking to say things like he was spared because he prayed, and others were not because they didn't. That implies that if they only pray, everyone would be saved. That illogic further implies that it's their fault if they then get killed.

People try to apply that same distorted thinking to things like cancer.

I'm not saying people should not pray. I'm not saying that praying can't or doesn't make a difference. I am saying that we cannot fathom Gods ways, and to boil it down to this person was spared because they prayed and that one was not because they didn't is absolutely unBiblical.

God NEVER promises there will not be heartache, pain, and loss in this life--and that goes for everyone from the most devout Christian to the die hard atheist.

What God does promise is that faith in him will bring you to eternal life.
Thank you.
flan

You forgot to bold the rest. It all goes together.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
It's very dangerous thinking to say things like he was spared because he prayed, and others were not because they didn't. That implies that if they only pray, everyone would be saved. That illogic further implies that it's their fault if they then get killed.

People try to apply that same distorted thinking to things like cancer.

I'm not saying people should not pray. I'm not saying that praying can't or doesn't make a difference. I am saying that we cannot fathom Gods ways, and to boil it down to this person was spared because they prayed and that one was not because they didn't is absolutely unBiblical.

God NEVER promises there will not be heartache, pain, and loss in this life--and that goes for everyone from the most devout Christian to the die hard atheist.

What God does promise is that faith in him will bring you to eternal life.
Thank you.
flan
You forgot to bold the rest. It all goes together.

Yes, for you it does. It was especially refreshing to hear a devout Christian make the first statements, though.

flan

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
It's very dangerous thinking to say things like he was spared because he prayed, and others were not because they didn't. That implies that if they only pray, everyone would be saved. That illogic further implies that it's their fault if they then get killed.

People try to apply that same distorted thinking to things like cancer.

I'm not saying people should not pray. I'm not saying that praying can't or doesn't make a difference. I am saying that we cannot fathom Gods ways, and to boil it down to this person was spared because they prayed and that one was not because they didn't is absolutely unBiblical.

God NEVER promises there will not be heartache, pain, and loss in this life--and that goes for everyone from the most devout Christian to the die hard atheist.

What God does promise is that faith in him will bring you to eternal life.
Thank you.
flan
You forgot to bold the rest. It all goes together.
Yes, for you it does. It was especially refreshing to hear a devout Christian make the first statements, though.
flan

It does for everyone. The first statement is not the end of it.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

The Bible says the sun shines on the wicked and the righteous. And, that it also rains on the wicked and the righteous. In other words, bad things happen to good people and good things can happen to bad people. Personally, I think that one needs to be careful to presume that in this case God intervened or in another case He didn't. Yes, be thankful if your life is spared or if a situation works out. But, God is working in other situations as well, that may not seem like He is. And, i think there is a very real danger of the 'health and wealth" gospel types who then will tell others "oh you didn't pray hard enough" to be healed or whatever.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

There IS power in the name of Jesus.

And God WILL step in.

It isn't that some pray and some dont.

It's about having the faith that no matter what, God is in control.

I've also heard of other instances where an attacker was stopped with the name of Jesus or the words of God.

I do not doubt what God can do.

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
There IS power in the name of Jesus.

And God WILL step in.

It isn't that some pray and some dont.

It's about having the faith that no matter what, God is in control.

I've also heard of other instances where an attacker was stopped with the name of Jesus or the words of God.

I do not doubt what God can do.

So, the old ladies who got killed in that church in South Carolina didn't have faith because God didn't "step in"?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
There IS power in the name of Jesus.

And God WILL step in.

It isn't that some pray and some dont.

It's about having the faith that no matter what, God is in control.

I've also heard of other instances where an attacker was stopped with the name of Jesus or the words of God.

I do not doubt what God can do.

So, the old ladies who got killed in that church in South Carolina didn't have faith because God didn't "step in"?

The bolded. Do you disagree with the bolded?

God is in control.

There is a purpose.

The ways of God is beyond our understanding.

huskerbb · Guru

I said as much.

However, saying God will "step in" means to most people that he will prevent the bad thing from happening.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

And that's the thing that needs to be understood.

Stepping doesn't mean a protective force field that prevents tragedy.

In means God is in control.

It could mean the threat is immediately stopped.

Or it could mean the situation brings you and or others closer to God.

It's the difference in trusting in God and actually trusting God.

weltschmerz · Guru

No coincidences?
So, if I go to Cuba and run into the neighbour from my street on the
beach, it's divine intervention?

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Thursday 21st of January 2016 05:14:43 PM

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

weltschmerz wrote:
No coincidences?
So, if I go to Cuba and run into the neighbour from my street on the
beach, it's divine intervention?

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Thursday 21st of January 2016 05:14:43 PM

I can't even...

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

lilyofcourse wrote:
And that's the thing that needs to be understood.

Stepping doesn't mean a protective force field that prevents tragedy.

In means God is in control.

It could mean the threat is immediately stopped.

Or it could mean the situation brings you and or others closer to God.

It's the difference in trusting in God and actually trusting God.

I agree with this. And my first comment wasn't meant to say that he prayed and others didn't. But, sometimes, prayers are answered. That's biblical, too. The Bible says when you pray with a faithful heart, your prayers will be answered - that may not always be in the way you expect.

But when it comes to shooters - I think that is the devil in them.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

And what people fail, or refuse, to understand, is that God ALWAYS answers prayer.

And sometimes, the answer is no.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

People also fail to understand that God does not view death the same way we do. For God, life is eternal, life on earth is only temporary.

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
And that's the thing that needs to be understood.

Stepping doesn't mean a protective force field that prevents tragedy.

In means God is in control.

It could mean the threat is immediately stopped.

Or it could mean the situation brings you and or others closer to God.

It's the difference in trusting in God and actually trusting God.

Yeah, people don't understand that--so wording it in that way is damaging because people aren't thinking in terms of the afterlife or "God's plan"--they are thinking in the terms of here and now

So, when you use words like "step in"--they take it to mean that God will stop the bad thing.

WYSIWYG · Guru

This may have been God's hand at work, or it may have been lucky timing that the bad guy had a seizure or whatever at just the right moment. We'll never know.

I agree that it's a bad idea to assign this to "the power of prayer" and just leave it at that. I'd bet money the 9 people killed in the church in South Carolina were praying like there was no tomorrow.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

WYSIWYG wrote:
This may have been God's hand at work, or it may have been lucky timing that the bad guy had a seizure or whatever at just the right moment. We'll never know.

I agree that it's a bad idea to assign this to "the power of prayer" and just leave it at that. I'd bet money the 9 people killed in the church in South Carolina were praying like there was no tomorrow.

I'm not taking that bet because I'd lose.

flan