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Idaho House State Affairs Committee members approved a bill to ban powdered alcohol in Idaho, though the bill needs changes before it receives a full hearing on the House floor.

 

The panel voted to send the bill to General Orders, where lawmakers can amend it as they please.

Idaho State Liquor Division chief Jeff Anderson told legislators the substance is "prone to abuse" and easily concealed for safe passage into venues where government restricts alcohol, like sports stadiums or school lunchrooms.

 

Some 27 states have already banned the substance, and several others are considering similar legislation this year. Arizona lawmakers approved a ban, but Republican Gov. Doug Ducey vetoed the proposal. After rejecting the bill he said the state didn't need a new law because Arizona's alcohol regulators already possess the power to keep an eye on the substance.

Idaho Freedom Foundation President Wayne Hoffman stood as the lone dissenter at the committee meeting. During his testimony, Hoffman pulled out a 3 oz. bottle of alcohol and pointed out how easily people can conceal the product, which the state liquor store already sells.

"If you're really concerned about concealability, why don't you ban this?" Hoffman asked. "The reason you don't ban it is that you're concerned about the revenue."

Hoffman also told legislators that Idaho, like Arizona, already possesses the power to regulate the substance through its liquor division.

Tyler Mallard, lobbyist for the Idaho Beer and Wine Distributors Association, supports a ban. He warned the panel about potential dangers the new substance poses to public health, including added risks for youth.

"It's not hard to fathom the way kids are going to get in trouble with (powdered alcohol)," Mallard said.

The bill's language troubled lawmakers, including Boise Republican Rep. Lynn Luker. The measure mandates a fine between $300 and $1,000 for violators, or jail time of no less than three months and no more than one year.

"That seems to tie the hands of the judge in crafting the appropriate resolution," Luker told Anderson.

A different section of the bill bothered Rep. Gayle Batt (R-Wilder). She said the proposal language, which defines powdered alcohol as "any powder or crystalline substance containing alcohol that is produced for direct use or reconstitution," is overly broad and might bring about unintended consequences.

"It's a little wide sweeping," Batt said. "Maybe it could have been narrowed a bit."

As a result, the committee sent the bill to General Orders for changes, despite one motion to kill the bill and another to approve the plan as-is.

Rep. Melissa Wintrow (D-Boise) moved to approve the bill without language changes, citing public health concerns as a good reason to push it ahead.

"I don't think this is the best idea to have a product like this in our state," Wintrow said. "The safety issue is very important."

 

http://reason.com/archives/2016/02/02/idaho-working-to-ban-powdered-alcohol



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I did not know powdered alcohol existed. I can see all kinds of problems with it. Ripe for abuse of use.

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I was not aware of it's existence either. is it just mixed into water/juice/pop and then drank

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I did not know powdered alcohol existed. I can see all kinds of problems with it. Ripe for abuse of use.

 Oh, so like regular alcohol, then.



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I was not aware of it's existence either. is it just mixed into water/juice/pop and then drank

 Oh, so like regular alcohol, then.



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I did not know powdered alcohol existed. I can see all kinds of problems with it. Ripe for abuse of use.

 Oh, so like regular alcohol, then.

Theres a big difference.  Much easier to conceal... 



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I did not know powdered alcohol existed. I can see all kinds of problems with it. Ripe for abuse of use.

 Oh, so like regular alcohol, then.

Theres a big difference.  Much easier to conceal... 

 So what?  Regular alcohol is never abused?  How is concealing it "abuse"?



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I did not know powdered alcohol existed. I can see all kinds of problems with it. Ripe for abuse of use.

 Oh, so like regular alcohol, then.

Theres a big difference.  Much easier to conceal... 

 So what?  Regular alcohol is never abused?  How is concealing it "abuse"?

There are places that for legitimate reasons, prohibit booze.  This would make it impossible to monitor... 



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Ohfour wrote:
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just Czech wrote:

I did not know powdered alcohol existed. I can see all kinds of problems with it. Ripe for abuse of use.

 Oh, so like regular alcohol, then.

Theres a big difference.  Much easier to conceal... 

 So what?  Regular alcohol is never abused?  How is concealing it "abuse"?

There are places that for legitimate reasons, prohibit booze.  This would make it impossible to monitor... 

 They can still prohibit it.  Enforcement is their problem, and not a reason to ban something.  Still not "abuse"



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How do I get some of this?

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huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
just Czech wrote:

I did not know powdered alcohol existed. I can see all kinds of problems with it. Ripe for abuse of use.

 Oh, so like regular alcohol, then.

Theres a big difference.  Much easier to conceal... 

 So what?  Regular alcohol is never abused?  How is concealing it "abuse"?

There are places that for legitimate reasons, prohibit booze.  This would make it impossible to monitor... 

 They can still prohibit it.  Enforcement is their problem, and not a reason to ban something.  Still not "abuse"

You can get "drunker" WAY faster than with liquid alcohol.  Your body acts as a natural regurgitant with liquid, not so much with powder... 



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Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
just Czech wrote:

I did not know powdered alcohol existed. I can see all kinds of problems with it. Ripe for abuse of use.

 Oh, so like regular alcohol, then.

Theres a big difference.  Much easier to conceal... 

 So what?  Regular alcohol is never abused?  How is concealing it "abuse"?

There are places that for legitimate reasons, prohibit booze.  This would make it impossible to monitor... 

 They can still prohibit it.  Enforcement is their problem, and not a reason to ban something.  Still not "abuse"

You can get "drunker" WAY faster than with liquid alcohol.  Your body acts as a natural regurgitant with liquid, not so much with powder... 

 Um, you don't eat it with a teaspoon.  It's still ingested as a liquid.

 



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huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
just Czech wrote:

I did not know powdered alcohol existed. I can see all kinds of problems with it. Ripe for abuse of use.

 Oh, so like regular alcohol, then.

Theres a big difference.  Much easier to conceal... 

 So what?  Regular alcohol is never abused?  How is concealing it "abuse"?

There are places that for legitimate reasons, prohibit booze.  This would make it impossible to monitor... 

 They can still prohibit it.  Enforcement is their problem, and not a reason to ban something.  Still not "abuse"

You can get "drunker" WAY faster than with liquid alcohol.  Your body acts as a natural regurgitant with liquid, not so much with powder... 

 Um, you don't eat it with a teaspoon.  It's still ingested as a liquid.

 

People are snorting it.  Much quicker (and deadlier) high.  



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Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
just Czech wrote:

I did not know powdered alcohol existed. I can see all kinds of problems with it. Ripe for abuse of use.

 Oh, so like regular alcohol, then.

Theres a big difference.  Much easier to conceal... 

 So what?  Regular alcohol is never abused?  How is concealing it "abuse"?

There are places that for legitimate reasons, prohibit booze.  This would make it impossible to monitor... 

 They can still prohibit it.  Enforcement is their problem, and not a reason to ban something.  Still not "abuse"

You can get "drunker" WAY faster than with liquid alcohol.  Your body acts as a natural regurgitant with liquid, not so much with powder... 

 Um, you don't eat it with a teaspoon.  It's still ingested as a liquid.

 

People are snorting it.  Much quicker (and deadlier) high.  

 Ok, I'll give you that one (finally)--but cigarettes are deadly, too, yet we don't ban those.  People die from liquid alcohol poisoning and we don't ban that.



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I think this is being done correctly though. Through the states. 25 states have already banned it. States have the right to make and enforce their own alcohol laws. In TN, you cannot buy liquor/wine on Sunday and on most holidays. Liquor cannot be sold anywhere but in a liquor store. Beer cannot be sold until noon on Sunday.

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I'm for government--state or federal--butting out.

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I'm for government--state or federal--butting out.

Oh please.  Every state has different alcohol laws.  They've been there since the lifting of prohibition.  TN actually VOTED on most of the laws that we have.  The people have spoken. 



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Oh, please...
Criminals will still disregard a law, because...they are criminals.
See how that works?
( in general )
Why do they make this stuff? IMHO, to increase alcohol consumption while giving the individual the ability to hide it. That does lead to abuse.

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I'm for government--state or federal--butting out.

Oh please.  Every state has different alcohol laws.  They've been there since the lifting of prohibition.  TN actually VOTED on most of the laws that we have.  The people have spoken. 

 Regulation is not an outright ban.



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I'm for government--state or federal--butting out.

Oh please.  Every state has different alcohol laws.  They've been there since the lifting of prohibition.  TN actually VOTED on most of the laws that we have.  The people have spoken. 

 Regulation is not an outright ban.

Then why ban any drugs?  Pot, coke, heroin?  The states have the right (and the responsibility) to ban anything they want.  And as I said, 25 states have already banned this... 



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Not only that, there are a LOT of "dry counties". Lynchburg, where Jack Daniels is made is in a dry county. No alcohol of any form san be bought/sold there...

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Ohfour wrote:
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I'm for government--state or federal--butting out.

Oh please.  Every state has different alcohol laws.  They've been there since the lifting of prohibition.  TN actually VOTED on most of the laws that we have.  The people have spoken. 

 Regulation is not an outright ban.

Then why ban any drugs?  Pot, coke, heroin?  The states have the right (and the responsibility) to ban anything they want.  And as I said, 25 states have already banned this... 

 Drugs are a federal issue.  Even legalized pot isn't legal Atbthe federal legal.  



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Also, they are different substances. This is like banning vodka, but not rum, unfiltered cigarettes, but not filtered ones. It's dumb.

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huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:

I'm for government--state or federal--butting out.

Oh please.  Every state has different alcohol laws.  They've been there since the lifting of prohibition.  TN actually VOTED on most of the laws that we have.  The people have spoken. 

 Regulation is not an outright ban.

Then why ban any drugs?  Pot, coke, heroin?  The states have the right (and the responsibility) to ban anything they want.  And as I said, 25 states have already banned this... 

 Drugs are a federal issue.  Even legalized pot isn't legal Atbthe federal legal.  

 But shouldn't they stay out of it?



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Also, they are different substances. This is like banning vodka, but not rum, unfiltered cigarettes, but not filtered ones. It's dumb.

Well, they banned flavored cigarettes.  



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Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:

I'm for government--state or federal--butting out.

Oh please.  Every state has different alcohol laws.  They've been there since the lifting of prohibition.  TN actually VOTED on most of the laws that we have.  The people have spoken. 

 Regulation is not an outright ban.

Then why ban any drugs?  Pot, coke, heroin?  The states have the right (and the responsibility) to ban anything they want.  And as I said, 25 states have already banned this... 

 Drugs are a federal issue.  Even legalized pot isn't legal Atbthe federal legal.  

 But shouldn't they stay out of it?

 Either make them legal or don't.  a hodge-podge of state laws is unproductive and ridiculous.

 



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huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:

I'm for government--state or federal--butting out.

Oh please.  Every state has different alcohol laws.  They've been there since the lifting of prohibition.  TN actually VOTED on most of the laws that we have.  The people have spoken. 

 Regulation is not an outright ban.

Then why ban any drugs?  Pot, coke, heroin?  The states have the right (and the responsibility) to ban anything they want.  And as I said, 25 states have already banned this... 

 Drugs are a federal issue.  Even legalized pot isn't legal Atbthe federal legal.  

 But shouldn't they stay out of it?

 Either make them legal or don't.  a hodge-podge of state laws is unproductive and ridiculous.

 

WOW...way to stand up for states rights!  I KNEW you leaned left more that you would admit... 



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Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:

I'm for government--state or federal--butting out.

Oh please.  Every state has different alcohol laws.  They've been there since the lifting of prohibition.  TN actually VOTED on most of the laws that we have.  The people have spoken. 

 Regulation is not an outright ban.

Then why ban any drugs?  Pot, coke, heroin?  The states have the right (and the responsibility) to ban anything they want.  And as I said, 25 states have already banned this... 

 Drugs are a federal issue.  Even legalized pot isn't legal Atbthe federal legal.  

 But shouldn't they stay out of it?

 Either make them legal or don't.  a hodge-podge of state laws is unproductive and ridiculous.

 

WOW...way to stand up for states rights!  I KNEW you leaned left more that you would admit... 

 Um, it was the Jeffersonian left that wanted more power in state hands and not Hamilton/Adams faction on the right.

There is a HUGE difference between a smaller federal government--and wanting to have 50 different sets of laws governing the nation.



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Your view makes situations where a guy can have a gun in his car legally in Virginia, but if he drives into New Jersey he could face 10 years in jail for it. How is anyone supposed to know 50 wholly different sets of laws?

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huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:

I'm for government--state or federal--butting out.

Oh please.  Every state has different alcohol laws.  They've been there since the lifting of prohibition.  TN actually VOTED on most of the laws that we have.  The people have spoken. 

 Regulation is not an outright ban.

Then why ban any drugs?  Pot, coke, heroin?  The states have the right (and the responsibility) to ban anything they want.  And as I said, 25 states have already banned this... 

 Drugs are a federal issue.  Even legalized pot isn't legal Atbthe federal legal.  

 But shouldn't they stay out of it?

 Either make them legal or don't.  a hodge-podge of state laws is unproductive and ridiculous.

 

WOW...way to stand up for states rights!  I KNEW you leaned left more that you would admit... 

 Um, it was the Jeffersonian left that wanted more power in state hands and not Hamilton/Adams faction on the right.

There is a HUGE difference between a smaller federal government--and wanting to have 50 different sets of laws governing the nation.

There are VERY few Federal Laws that the states conform to.  States have different marriage laws, gun laws, car seat laws, tobacco laws, motorcycle laws, drivers license laws, workplace laws, seat belt laws, hell, even protected class laws.   There are only a handful that all states abide by.  I would say 90% of laws are state driven and differ from state to state...



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Your view makes situations where a guy can have a gun in his car legally in Virginia, but if he drives into New Jersey he could face 10 years in jail for it. How is anyone supposed to know 50 wholly different sets of laws?

That's on him.  One should check before going to another state.   



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Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:

I'm for government--state or federal--butting out.

Oh please.  Every state has different alcohol laws.  They've been there since the lifting of prohibition.  TN actually VOTED on most of the laws that we have.  The people have spoken. 

 Regulation is not an outright ban.

Then why ban any drugs?  Pot, coke, heroin?  The states have the right (and the responsibility) to ban anything they want.  And as I said, 25 states have already banned this... 

 Drugs are a federal issue.  Even legalized pot isn't legal Atbthe federal legal.  

 But shouldn't they stay out of it?

 Either make them legal or don't.  a hodge-podge of state laws is unproductive and ridiculous.

 

WOW...way to stand up for states rights!  I KNEW you leaned left more that you would admit... 

 Um, it was the Jeffersonian left that wanted more power in state hands and not Hamilton/Adams faction on the right.

There is a HUGE difference between a smaller federal government--and wanting to have 50 different sets of laws governing the nation.

There are VERY few Federal Laws that the states conform to.  States have different marriage laws, gun laws, car seat laws, tobacco laws, motorcycle laws, drivers license laws, workplace laws, seat belt laws, hell, even protected class laws.   There are only a handful that all states abide by.  I would say 90% of laws are state driven and differ from state to state...

 No.  They are remarkably similar.  Penalties may vary slightly, but with only a few exceptions, a crime in one state is a crime in another.  The exceptions are a huge problem.



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Your view makes situations where a guy can have a gun in his car legally in Virginia, but if he drives into New Jersey he could face 10 years in jail for it. How is anyone supposed to know 50 wholly different sets of laws?

That's on him.  One should check before going to another state.   

 And that's BS.  If it's a crime in one state, it should be so in another.



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huskerbb wrote:
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huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:

I'm for government--state or federal--butting out.

Oh please.  Every state has different alcohol laws.  They've been there since the lifting of prohibition.  TN actually VOTED on most of the laws that we have.  The people have spoken. 

 Regulation is not an outright ban.

Then why ban any drugs?  Pot, coke, heroin?  The states have the right (and the responsibility) to ban anything they want.  And as I said, 25 states have already banned this... 

 Drugs are a federal issue.  Even legalized pot isn't legal Atbthe federal legal.  

 But shouldn't they stay out of it?

 Either make them legal or don't.  a hodge-podge of state laws is unproductive and ridiculous.

 

WOW...way to stand up for states rights!  I KNEW you leaned left more that you would admit... 

 Um, it was the Jeffersonian left that wanted more power in state hands and not Hamilton/Adams faction on the right.

There is a HUGE difference between a smaller federal government--and wanting to have 50 different sets of laws governing the nation.

There are VERY few Federal Laws that the states conform to.  States have different marriage laws, gun laws, car seat laws, tobacco laws, motorcycle laws, drivers license laws, workplace laws, seat belt laws, hell, even protected class laws.   There are only a handful that all states abide by.  I would say 90% of laws are state driven and differ from state to state...

 No.  They are remarkably similar.  Penalties may vary slightly, but with only a few exceptions, a crime in one state is a crime in another.  The exceptions are a huge problem.

Its a crime to smoke in a restaurant in TN.  Not in KY.  Its a crime not to wear a motorcycle helmet in TN, not in KY. In TN, you must have your child in a car booster seat until they are 8.  In KY, its 4.  In some states, it's not a crime to deny housing based on sexual orientation, in TN, there is no such provision.  In TN, you can conceal carry, in many other states, you would be thrown under the jail.  

They are MUCH different than you make it out to be.,,, 



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I'm for government--state or federal--butting out.

Oh please.  Every state has different alcohol laws.  They've been there since the lifting of prohibition.  TN actually VOTED on most of the laws that we have.  The people have spoken. 

 Regulation is not an outright ban.

Then why ban any drugs?  Pot, coke, heroin?  The states have the right (and the responsibility) to ban anything they want.  And as I said, 25 states have already banned this... 

 Drugs are a federal issue.  Even legalized pot isn't legal Atbthe federal legal.  

 But shouldn't they stay out of it?

 Either make them legal or don't.  a hodge-podge of state laws is unproductive and ridiculous.

 

WOW...way to stand up for states rights!  I KNEW you leaned left more that you would admit... 

 Um, it was the Jeffersonian left that wanted more power in state hands and not Hamilton/Adams faction on the right.

There is a HUGE difference between a smaller federal government--and wanting to have 50 different sets of laws governing the nation.

There are VERY few Federal Laws that the states conform to.  States have different marriage laws, gun laws, car seat laws, tobacco laws, motorcycle laws, drivers license laws, workplace laws, seat belt laws, hell, even protected class laws.   There are only a handful that all states abide by.  I would say 90% of laws are state driven and differ from state to state...

 No.  They are remarkably similar.  Penalties may vary slightly, but with only a few exceptions, a crime in one state is a crime in another.  The exceptions are a huge problem.

Its a crime to smoke in a restaurant in TN.  Not in KY.  Its a crime not to wear a motorcycle helmet in TN, not in KY. In TN, you must have your child in a car booster seat until they are 8.  In KY, its 4.  In some states, it's not a crime to deny housing based on sexual orientation, in TN, there is no such provision.  In TN, you can conceal carry, in many other states, you would be thrown under the jail.  

They are MUCH different than you make it out to be.,,, 

 Except for the conceal carry, they are minor.  The conceal carry is exactly the bad I'm talking about.  



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You may think they are minor. They people being fined thousands of dollars probably don't...

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You may think they are minor. They people being fined thousands of dollars probably don't...

 Better than jail.



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You may think they are minor. They people being fined thousands of dollars probably don't...

 Better than jail.

Well, if they can't pay the fines, then that's what happens.   



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You may think they are minor. They people being fined thousands of dollars probably don't...

 Better than jail.

Well, if they can't pay the fines, then that's what happens.  

 

Um, no.  Many crimes don't go away with just a fine.  

 



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You may think they are minor. They people being fined thousands of dollars probably don't...

 Better than jail.

Well, if they can't pay the fines, then that's what happens.  

 

Um, no.  Many crimes don't go away with just a fine.  

 

That's what I am saying.  You are the one saying these crimes are insignificant...

"Except for the conceal carry, they are minor. "

 

 



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Ohfour wrote:
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You may think they are minor. They people being fined thousands of dollars probably don't...

 Better than jail.

Well, if they can't pay the fines, then that's what happens.  

 

Um, no.  Many crimes don't go away with just a fine.  

 

That's what I am saying.  You are the one saying these crimes are insignificant...

"Except for the conceal carry, they are minor. "

 

 

 All your examples are minor.  You don't go to jail for smoking in a non-smoking area or whatever other nonsense you posted.  The gun thing is not minor.  That happened to a guy.  



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Ohfour wrote:
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You may think they are minor. They people being fined thousands of dollars probably don't...

 Better than jail.

Well, if they can't pay the fines, then that's what happens.  

 

Um, no.  Many crimes don't go away with just a fine.  

 

That's what I am saying.  You are the one saying these crimes are insignificant...

"Except for the conceal carry, they are minor. "

 

 

 All your examples are minor.  You don't go to jail for smoking in a non-smoking area or whatever other nonsense you posted.  The gun thing is not minor.  That happened to a guy.  

Any responsible gun owner should know the laws of the state where he is going to carry.  I know we do.  



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Or, a MUCH BETTER solution would be to make them uniform across all states.

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Also, DUI laws vary from state to state. As do stalking laws and kidnapping laws. Animal cruelty laws, death penalty laws.

These are definitely NOT minor laws...

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Or, a MUCH BETTER solution would be to make them uniform across all states.

Keep wishing.  States rights more often than not prevail... 



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Also, DUI laws vary from state to state. As do stalking laws and kidnapping laws. Animal cruelty laws, death penalty laws.

These are definitely NOT minor laws...

 No.  DUI laws do not differ that much--.08 is the limit in all states.  There may be some slight degrees in penalties, but .08 is a crime in all 50 states.  

 

Death penalty laws are punishment--not declaring something illegal or not.  Murder is murder in all 50 states. 

 

Kidnapping is kidnapping. 

 

Stalking is stalking.  

Penalties for those may vary, but a crime is a crime--or not.  



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People will get it anyway. So i dont know if an outright ban will work.

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People will get it anyway. So i dont know if an outright ban will work.

 Hey, wait--bans worked GREAT on stuff like marijuana, meth, etc...

 

Oh, wait.....



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Animal cruelty laws (in some states, it's not illegal, in TN, it's a felony).

Child abuse laws (in some states, something my be perfectly legal, in others, grounds for prosecution and the taking away of your children)

Also, some states consider some actions as stalking, while others are more lax and would find no grounds to be charged with stalking.





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Also, DUI laws vary from state to state. As do stalking laws and kidnapping laws. Animal cruelty laws, death penalty laws.

These are definitely NOT minor laws...

 No.  DUI laws do not differ that much--.08 is the limit in all states.  There may be some slight degrees in penalties, but .08 is a crime in all 50 states.  

 

Death penalty laws are punishment--not declaring something illegal or not.  Murder is murder in all 50 states. 

 

Kidnapping is kidnapping. 

 

Stalking is stalking.  

Penalties for those may vary, but a crime is a crime--or not.  

The federal government at one point told the states that if their DWI limit was higher than 0.08, they would lose their federal highway funding. 

That's when a lot of states lowered it from 0.10 .

 

The difference between murder and justifiable homicide, or self defense, may vary by location.

Sometimes taking a child might be kidnapping, or custodial interference, or babysitting.

 

We have courts and lawyers for reasons.

 

 

 



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