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Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Sex education.

Ohfour · Hooker

Voted...

huskerbb · Guru

I'm not against sex ed. I'm just not sure why or how people think it is the responsibility of the schools.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
I'm not against sex ed. I'm just not sure why or how people think it is the responsibility of the schools.

Not the responsiblity, but let's face it - it's the best option. Too many parents wouldn't bother.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I also think schools should teach kids how to balance a checkbook, how to file taxes, how to make a resume and what bad credit can do to your life. And that should be a required class - not just an elective.

Ohfour · Hooker

huskerbb wrote:
I'm not against sex ed. I'm just not sure why or how people think it is the responsibility of the schools.

I agree, but IF they are going to teach it, abstinence should be part of the curriculum.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
I also think schools should teach kids how to balance a checkbook, how to file taxes, how to make a resume and what bad credit can do to your life. And that should be a required class - not just an elective.

Totally agree. Dave Ramsey's Financial Peace was an elective at my kids' high school.

NAOW · Vette's SS

I support sex ed. I think most people do.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

NAOW wrote:
I support sex ed. I think most people do.

The poll is because someone claimed that people rail against sex ed. That is flat out not true.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Lawyerlady wrote:
I also think schools should teach kids how to balance a checkbook, how to file taxes, how to make a resume and what bad credit can do to your life. And that should be a required class - not just an elective.

Completely agree.

NAOW · Vette's SS

Lawyerlady wrote:
NAOW wrote:
I support sex ed. I think most people do.
The poll is because someone claimed that people rail against sex ed. That is flat out not true.

Oh, I agree.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

I am unaware of any parents around here that are against sex education. That would be being stupid.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

And here's a little sex ed directly from the PP site -

Myth #6: Birth control doesn't really work.

FALSE. When used correctly, lots of birth control methods are super effective — like, more than 99 percent effective — at preventing pregnancy. But if you don't use birth control correctly, it doesn't work as well. Some methods, like the IUD and implant] are easy to use correctly — they're placed in your body and do their thing without the chance that you could mess it up. Other methods, like the pill, are a little harder because you have to remember to take it every day, try not to miss any pills, and keep getting your new packs on time. If you miss pills, you're at risk for pregnancy. Condoms are 98 percent effective at preventing pregnancy when used correctly. And condoms are also the best way to avoid STDs. But you have to put the condom on before you start having sex, and keep it on the entire time you're having sex. While condoms can break, this usually happens because they're used wrong. Using extra lubricant with a condom helps keep it from breaking. The best thing to do is to use both a condom and another birth control method. -

See more at: https://www.plannedparenthood.org/teens/sex/the-ten-biggest-myths-about-sex#sthash.eUROQ4xG.dpuf

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I've seen posters say that it's not the business of the school.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I agree with teaching sex ed. Actually, this needs to begin early. In elementary and K, they need to be taught some basic things like "no person should touch your private parts, parts that are covered with a swimsuit" type thing. Then in upper elementary there should be some basic teachinga about menstrual cycles. And, in JR high, they need to get into the mechanics and birth control, etc. I do think that Sex ed classes should not be Co Ed though until at least Sr High. And, i also think that parents should always have the option to not have their kid take the class if they choose too.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
I've seen posters say that it's not the business of the school.

flan

Who? When? Quotes?

Husker said it shouldn't be the RESPONSIBLITY of the school. And that's true. Lots of things shouldn't have to fall to schools, but they do. Like feeding your kid.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

According to the FDA, condoms are only 82% effective.

That's more in line with what I've read in the past.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
I've seen posters say that it's not the business of the school.

flan
Who? When? Quotes?

Husker said it shouldn't be the RESPONSIBLITY of the school. And that's true. Lots of things shouldn't have to fall to schools, but they do. Like feeding your kid.

I am NOT going through every single thread here.

You did your poll.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Actually, this is issue is how i came to be on the school board. When DD was in 5th grade, i called the school to ask if they were going to get some information and "the talk" about menstrual cycles, etc. Of course i also informed her as well but i wanted to know if they were doing this. Turns out that somehow they had stopped doing this and they were not getting any type of sex/health ed until 9th grade. I am in favor of teaching kids how their bodies work and informing them. But, again, i feel that it should not be done Co ed but girls with girls, and boys with boys.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
According to the FDA, condoms are only 82% effective.

That's more in line with what I've read in the past.

flan

That's when not consistently or properly used. When properly used, condoms are darn near 100%.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
I've seen posters say that it's not the business of the school.

flan
Who? When? Quotes?

Husker said it shouldn't be the RESPONSIBLITY of the school. And that's true. Lots of things shouldn't have to fall to schools, but they do. Like feeding your kid.
I am NOT going through every single thread here.
You did your poll.
flan

And it doesn't support your claim even a little bit.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

They of course should also be teaching abstinence. And, yeah, birth control isn't 100% effective so all the MORE reason to not start having sex until you are prepared to act like a responsible person, including being a parent if that happens.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
According to the FDA, condoms are only 82% effective.

That's more in line with what I've read in the past.

flan

Right, so don't have sex in the first place when you are teen!

ed11563 · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
According to the FDA, condoms are only 82% effective.

That's more in line with what I've read in the past.

flan
That's when not consistently or properly used. When properly used, condoms are darn near 100%.

Like I've told my cousins' daughters, condom + spermicide is as close to 100% as you can get.

Note that girls have gotten pregnant with their hymens intact (okay, probably not many) because sperm swim, and semen on labia can swim inside.

Also note, condoms break, spermicide doesn't.

-- Edited by ed11563 on Friday 5th of February 2016 12:04:40 PM

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Well, i personally would not be telling kids that birth control is 100% because it isn't. Telling them that is giving them a guarantee of no consequences. Yes, you can inform them of failure rates. But, they need to understand that if they engage in sex, there is a risk of pregnancy and STDs no matter what you are using. And, you better be prepared for that. And, that yes, you can lessen the chances of those occuring with properly used birth control but don't lull yourself to sleep thinking that it isn't a possibility.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I do not get the mentality that we shouldn't bother to tell kids not to have sex b/c some of them won't listen. That's just dumb. Some of them will.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
According to the FDA, condoms are only 82% effective.

That's more in line with what I've read in the past.

flan
That's when not consistently or properly used. When properly used, condoms are darn near 100%.

I didn't see any disclaimer. And "consistently" is a given for any kind of BC.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
According to the FDA, condoms are only 82% effective.

That's more in line with what I've read in the past.

flan
That's when not consistently or properly used. When properly used, condoms are darn near 100%.
I didn't see any disclaimer. And "consistently" is a given for any kind of BC.
flan

Look harder. There's a little asterisk at the head of the column, and a footnote at the bottom.

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/forconsumers/byaudience/forwomen/freepublications/ucm356451.pdf

huskerbb · Guru

OMFG

Failure rates always include improper use. Always.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

OK - who voted yes that schools are not the ones to teach about sex ed? Because I want to make sure it isn't someone trying to LIE to make a false point.

ed11563 · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/forconsumers/byaudience/forwomen/freepublications/ucm356451.pdf

Thank you for posting this link.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
OK - who voted yes that schools are not the ones to teach about sex ed? Because I want to make sure it isn't someone trying to LIE to make a false point.

Are you kidding us?

And, FTR, it wasn't me, but voting is anonymous.

flan

Bonny22Pye · Guru

I think it should be taught during health classes, but it needs to be just the facts and people need to keep their religious views out of it.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Bonny22Pye wrote:
I think it should be taught during health classes, but it needs to be just the facts and people need to keep their religious views out of it.

Believe it or not - you don't need religion to think abstinence is the best option for kids.

FNW · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
I also think schools should teach kids how to balance a checkbook, how to file taxes, how to make a resume and what bad credit can do to your life. And that should be a required class - not just an elective.

I learned all that through business courses. I'll agree, it should be required.

Sex education? It depends. At what age? I think the only "sex" education involved teaching us about hormonal changes and the effects on our bodies. Not sex between two people.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

FNW wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I also think schools should teach kids how to balance a checkbook, how to file taxes, how to make a resume and what bad credit can do to your life. And that should be a required class - not just an elective.
I learned all that through business courses. I'll agree, it should be required.

Sex education? It depends. At what age? I think the only "sex" education involved teaching us about hormonal changes and the effects on our bodies. Not sex between two people.

The body stuff - all ages as necessary. And unfortunately, menstruation needs to be taught earlier than when we were kids. Sex education should be taught at about the 8th grade. They are all talking about it, anyway, so better to learn from a teacher than another kid.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Lawyerlady wrote:
OK - who voted yes that schools are not the ones to teach about sex ed? Because I want to make sure it isn't someone trying to LIE to make a false point.

My bet is it was someone you lurks and is messing with us.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I'm good with sex ed.

I would rather it come from parents but that doesn't always happen.

So teach it.

But teach it right.

With facts.

I think a lot of people think sex ed is about showing a kid how to have sex.

That isn't it.

They need to know about birth control, all forms including abstinence.

They need to know about disease. That scares me way more than pregnancy.

And they need to know about development.

I also like the reality classes that are making their way into lesson plans.

FNW · Guru

You just jarred a memory, Lily. I now remember having sex ed in 8th grade. They taught us about STDs and showed pictures of VD.

Ohfour · Hooker

FNW wrote:
You just jarred a memory, Lily. I now remember having sex ed in 8th grade. They taught us about STDs and showed pictures of VD.

LOL! I totally read this wrong. I skipped over the "ed". I thought you had just remembered that you had sex in 8th grade.

I was like, #1, how do you forget that, and #2, what in the world did Lily say to remind you!

FNW · Guru

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

chef · Guru

I've known too many parents in my personal life who think that not teaching about sex will just make it go away. My ex being one such parents. His DD thought that getting her period would automatically make her pregnant. She came to me panicking about it one day and I set her straight. I also corrected the other ignorance her father taught her and told her she is welcome to come to me anytime for the truth. She deserved to know how things actually work.

I had sex ed in school and at home. My parents weren't shy about telling me what is what. I started college while in HS and took a biology course at the college. The textbook had full color pics and graphic descriptions in the human sexuality chapter. I remember being amazed that I didn't need a permission slip to view then remembered that permission slips aren't a thing in college.

Schools should teach sex ed and cover all forms of birth control - including abstinence. Abstinence is the only 100% effective way to prevent pregnancy without getting sterilized. Sex ed also needs to cover STDs and puberty. Kids deserve to have proper education about their bodies so they can make appropriate choices. It's sad that some parents won't step up and teach their kids about life.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

LOL!!!!

In 8th grade we were separated by gender and taken into separate rooms and we watched a movie about menstruation.

It was ridiculous.

I had been having my cycle since I was in the 5th grade.

Some of the stuff was ridiculous.

Can't go swimming, don't take cold or hot showers, don't use tampons.

It was crazy.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

chef wrote:
I've known too many parents in my personal life who think that not teaching about sex will just make it go away. My ex being one such parents. His DD thought that getting her period would automatically make her pregnant. She came to me panicking about it one day and I set her straight. I also corrected the other ignorance her father taught her and told her she is welcome to come to me anytime for the truth. She deserved to know how things actually work.

I had sex ed in school and at home. My parents weren't shy about telling me what is what. I started college while in HS and took a biology course at the college. The textbook had full color pics and graphic descriptions in the human sexuality chapter. I remember being amazed that I didn't need a permission slip to view then remembered that permission slips aren't a thing in college.

Schools should teach sex ed and cover all forms of birth control - including abstinence. Abstinence is the only 100% effective way to prevent pregnancy without getting sterilized. Sex ed also needs to cover STDs and puberty. Kids deserve to have proper education about their bodies so they can make appropriate choices. It's sad that some parents won't step up and teach their kids about life.

Wow, Chef. Almost sounded like Carrie.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
I think it should be taught during health classes, but it needs to be just the facts and people need to keep their religious views out of it.
Believe it or not - you don't need religion to think abstinence is the best option for kids.

I have no problem with abstinence being taught as long as its taught factually. A lot of abstinence programs have underlying religious messages and I want religion taught by parents.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Bonny22Pye wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
I think it should be taught during health classes, but it needs to be just the facts and people need to keep their religious views out of it.
Believe it or not - you don't need religion to think abstinence is the best option for kids.
I have no problem with abstinence being taught as long as its taught factually. A lot of abstinence programs have underlying religious messages and I want religion taught by parents.

I agree with that.

Domestic Engineer · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
OK - who voted yes that schools are not the ones to teach about sex ed? Because I want to make sure it isn't someone trying to LIE to make a false point.

That would be me. Some topics need to be taught by the parents and I feel sex education is one of those topics. The sex education taught in schools does not mirror my moral beliefs. We did not sit our children down and have the talk, sex education was an ongoing open discussions from toddler to teen.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Of course parents need to teach. The school should not be a substitute for parent input. It's a supplement.

weltschmerz · Guru

Domestic Engineer wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
OK - who voted yes that schools are not the ones to teach about sex ed? Because I want to make sure it isn't someone trying to LIE to make a false point.
That would be me. Some topics need to be taught by the parents and I feel sex education is one of those topics. The sex education taught in schools does not mirror my moral beliefs. We did not sit our children down and have the talk, sex education was an ongoing open discussions from toddler to teen.

I strongly disagree.

Many parents are just like my parents. It was never, ever discussed. In any way, shape or form.

I got all the information from my friends. The wrong information.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
I think it should be taught during health classes, but it needs to be just the facts and people need to keep their religious views out of it.
Believe it or not - you don't need religion to think abstinence is the best option for kids.
I have no problem with abstinence being taught as long as its taught factually. A lot of abstinence programs have underlying religious messages and I want religion taught by parents.
I agree with that.

I would be so pissed if I was raising my child Catholic or Jewish or Lutheran and then school got an outside sex education speaker to come in they tried to get my kid to go to their church. Here is an interesting article from slate on some those shenanigans: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/11/christianity_forced_on_public_school_students_in_louisiana.html

Schools should be teaching basic biology and mechanics. You can get these diseases....this is how a woman can become pregnant.... This is how menstruation happens...