TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Boy, 11, found guilty of murdering an eight-year-old girl after shooting her in the chest

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

The adults in the home should be charged for this, not just the child.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

"Tiller's great-grandparents, Dianna and Jack Houchins, told WATE that they didn't believe their great-grandson pulled the trigger."

Seriously? Denying it is NOT going to help the kid.

Did they not check for fingerprints?

flan

-- Edited by flan327 on Saturday 6th of February 2016 08:52:17 AM

Lindley · Guru

flan327 wrote:
"Tiller's great-grandparents, Dianna and Jack Houchins, told WATE that they didn't believe their great-grandson pulled the trigger."

Seriously? Denying it is NOT going to help the kid.

Did they not check for fingerprints?

flan

-- Edited by flan327 on Saturday 6th of February 2016 08:52:17 AM

I think that the great grandparents are in denial and can't grasp a child murdering another child. That was something unheard of when they were younger. I do agree that the parents ought to be charged with something.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Parents should be charged if a minor uses a gun in a crime if there is negligence in storing their firearms.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Parents should be charged if a minor uses a gun in a crime if there is negligence in storing their firearms.

Definitely negligence.

I wonder if the parents were even there. It says he was "staying" in a mobile home in White Pine, TN...not living there.

flan

ed11563 · Guru

Lindley wrote:
flan327 wrote:
"Tiller's great-grandparents, Dianna and Jack Houchins, told WATE that they didn't believe their great-grandson pulled the trigger."

Seriously? Denying it is NOT going to help the kid.

Did they not check for fingerprints?

flan

-- Edited by flan327 on Saturday 6th of February 2016 08:52:17 AM
I think that the great grandparents are in denial and can't grasp a child murdering another child. That was something unheard of when they were younger. I do agree that the parents ought to be charged with something.

Unheard of, maybe, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

huskerbb · Guru

Whoa, whoa, whoa--the parents should be charged?

On what basis? From this article, we don't even know if it was their home or their firearms or if they were even there.

It says the home where he was "staying"--not HIS home. It says there were adults in the house--it does NOT say said adults were his parents.

My guess is that it was these great-grandparents' home and they were the adults who were there--although it does not specifically say that, either.

Holy jumping to conclusions, batman.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Saturday 6th of February 2016 03:55:09 PM

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

The adult that owned the gun. Grabdma or grandpa or whom ever.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
The adult that owned the gun. Grabdma or grandpa or whom ever.

I'm not even sure about that. 11 is getting to the age where even if a gun was locked away, a determined 11 year old probably would not be deterred. They see where you hide the key, they know your anniversary date which is your combination code. My parents had a safe (not a gun safe, just for important papers and stuff). They didn't think I could get into it--but I could. I knew where they kept the key. I'm not positive what age that might have been--but 10 or 11 sounds about right.

At what age do we expect people to take responsibility for themselves? 18? Surely you recognize that many children under 18 cannot be controlled by their parents. He!!, Adam Lanza's mother was KILLED by him.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I agree. What i am saying is "reasonable" precautions. If the gun was locked and the kid snuck in and stole the code versus a loaded gun laying around. And parents are expected to supervise 11 yr olds. Period.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I agree. What i am saying is "reasonable" precautions. If the gun was locked and the kid snuck in and stole the code versus a loaded gun laying around. And parents are expected to supervise 11 yr olds. Period.

So parents can NEVER leave children in the supervision of someone else??? They are still liable even if someone has is supposed to be supervising them?

What if the kid ditches class? How is the parent to know or control that at the moment? Why shouldn't the school then be liable?

That's a ridiculous position, anyway. At age 11, kids are old enough to baby-sit other kids. They can certainly stay by themselves without supervision for a few hours--or should be able to.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Saturday 6th of February 2016 08:00:04 PM

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Nope. Many states require supervision till age 12. But as i said who ever Owns the gun is the responsible party.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Nope. Many states require supervision till age 12. But as i said who ever Owns the gun is the responsible party.

That is a complete myth. We've talked about this before. There are VERY FEW states that have minimum age laws at which children can be alone without direct supervision. Illinois is one, it may be the only one, although I'm not positive, but there are not many.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Nope. Many states require supervision till age 12. But as i said who ever Owns the gun is the responsible party.
That is a complete myth. We've talked about this before. There are VERY FEW states that have minimum age laws at which children can be alone without direct supervision. Illinois is one, it may be the only one, although I'm not positive, but there are not many.

Husker is correct.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

You can be charged with parental neglect if u dont supervis your kids. Hello.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

But he wasnt home alone. He was home with adults who had a loaded gun eithin his reach and he used it.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yes, we have had this discussion. Depending on the circumstances you can be charged with parental neglect and age will be a factor. And, i think that the one gun law i would support is neglectful people who allow kids to get their hands on their firearms if it can be proven that they were negligent in taking reasonable cautions to secure them.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Latchkey Children Age Restrictions By State

The following table lists legal age restrictions for children left at home alone categorized by state within the U.S. Please note that city and county ordinances within each state may have more definitive and restrictive laws. Call your State DHS or local child welfare agency to learn about age guidelines in your area.

State

Minimum Age of
Home Alone Child

Reference

Alabama	None	Alabama Babysitting Laws
Alaska	Unknown	No Resource Found
Arizona	None	AZ Child Protective Services (CPS) Frequently Asked Questions
Arkansas	None	Definitions of Child Abuse and Neglect - Arkansas
California	None	Sierra Sacramento Coalition
Colorado	12 *	Colorado Department of Human Services
Connecticut	None	State of Connecticut Attorney General's Office
Delaware	12 *	Delaware Division of Family Services
Florida	None	Florida Department of Children & Families
Georgia	8 *	Georgia Division of Family & Children Services
Hawaii	None	Hawaii Department Of The Attorney General
Idaho	None	Idaho Department of Health & Welfare
Illinois	14	Illinois Compiled Statutes
Indiana	None	Prevent Child Abuse Indiana
Iowa	None	Iowa State University
Kansas	6 *	Kansas Department For Children and Families
Kentucky	Unknown	No Resource Found
Louisiana	None	Louisiana Department of Social Services
Maine	None	Maine Kids & Kin
Maryland	8	Baltimore County, Maryland FAQ
Massachusetts	None	Massachusetts Trial Court Law Libraries
Michigan	11 *	The Michigan Child Protection Law (Appendix 2)
Minnesota	None	Dakota County, Minnesota Child Supervision
Mississippi	12 *	Mississippi State University
Missouri	None	Platte County, Missouri Juvenile Office Resources
Montana	None	Montana Child & Family Services
Nebraska	None	Nebraska Dept of Health & Human Resources
Nevada	None	Las Vegas Review-Journal
New Hampshire	None	State Of New Hampshire Attorney General
New Jersey	None	Bergen County Department of Human Services
New Mexico	10	City of Albuquerque Child Safety At Home
New York	None	New York Children & Family Services
North Carolina	8	NC Health & Human Services
North Dakota	9 *	Prevent Child Abuse North Dakota
Ohio	None	The Cleveland Law: Home Alone Children
Oklahoma	None	After-School Safety for Children Who Are Home Alone - www.ok.gov
Oregon	10	Oregon State Laws
Pennsylvania	None	Pittsburg Post-Gazette.com article June, 2007
Rhode Island	Unknown	No Resource Found
South Carolina	None	SCNow.com
South Dakota	None	South Dakota Law
Tennessee	10 *	Tennessee Juvenile & Family Court Judges
Texas	None	Texas Family & Protective Services
Utah	None	Children's Service Society of Utah
Vermont	Unknown	No Resource Found
Virginia	None	Virginia Coalition for Child Abuse Prevention
Washington	10 *	Washington State Dept of Social and Health Services
West Virginia	Unknown	No Resource Found
Wisconsin	None	Marathon County Guidelines For Parents
Wyoming	Unknown	No Resource Found

* Guideline ONLY. These states do not set a specific age after which a child legally can stay home alone but do provide recommendations.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yes, it's a guideline. And, if you leave a young child at home alone and something bad happens you are very likely going to be charged under child neglect laws LL.

But all the gun law propents, why don't they ever want to enact a law that makes sense? That if you own a gun, YOU are responsible for how it is used? Seems pretty simple to me.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
You can be charged with parental neglect if u dont supervis your kids. Hello.

There is NO WAY the parents would be charged here if they were not present and other adults were--especially if it was not their house.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Yes, it's a guideline. And, if you leave a young child at home alone and something bad happens you are very likely going to be charged under child neglect laws LL.

But all the gun law propents, why don't they ever want to enact a law that makes sense? That if you own a gun, YOU are responsible for how it is used? Seems pretty simple to me.

That doesn't make sense. Guns get stolen--even by kids.

If some teenager carjacks your car and runs a stoplight and kills someone--that's your fault as the car owner? Absurd.

ed11563 · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Yes, it's a guideline. And, if you leave a young child at home alone and something bad happens you are very likely going to be charged under child neglect laws LL.

But all the gun law propents, why don't they ever want to enact a law that makes sense? That if you own a gun, YOU are responsible for how it is used? Seems pretty simple to me.
That doesn't make sense. Guns get stolen--even by kids.

If some teenager carjacks your car and runs a stoplight and kills someone--that's your fault as the car owner? Absurd.

It is if you leave the motor running with the keys inside while you run into 7-eleven for a few minutes, in a high crime area.

huskerbb · Guru

ed11563 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Yes, it's a guideline. And, if you leave a young child at home alone and something bad happens you are very likely going to be charged under child neglect laws LL.

But all the gun law propents, why don't they ever want to enact a law that makes sense? That if you own a gun, YOU are responsible for how it is used? Seems pretty simple to me.
That doesn't make sense. Guns get stolen--even by kids.

If some teenager carjacks your car and runs a stoplight and kills someone--that's your fault as the car owner? Absurd.
It is if you leave the motor running with the keys inside while you run into 7-eleven for a few minutes, in a high crime area.

No way. That is not the legal standard.

huskerbb · Guru

Now, if you left it running with your unrestrained toddler in the car and they drove it into the 7-11, then yeah, you would be responsible.

However, to make a blanket statement and say gun owners are ALWAYS responsible for how their guns are used is silly. There are many situations--stolen guns, for example--where that is not and should not be the case.

In THIS particular case--then POSSIBLY some adults should be charged--although I HIGHLY doubt from the article it should be the parents. We don't actually know who owned the guns, either.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Sunday 7th of February 2016 11:13:17 AM

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Now, if you left it running with your unrestrained toddler in the car and they drove it into the 7-11, then yeah, you would be responsible.

However, to make a blanket statement and say gun owners are ALWAYS responsible for how their guns are used is silly. There are many situations--stolen guns, for example--where that is not and should not be the case.

In THIS particular case--then POSSIBLY some adults should be charged--although I HIGHLY doubt from the article it should be the parents. We don't actually know who owned the guns, either.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Sunday 7th of February 2016 11:13:17 AM

I didn't make a blanket statement. Try reading what i wrote. I said that if it is shown that there were not REASONABLE precautions to keep the firearms in check. Yes, kids can break in, steal, etc and no the parents shouldn't be liable. But, if that was a loaded firearm laying around, then that should come into play.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Now, if you left it running with your unrestrained toddler in the car and they drove it into the 7-11, then yeah, you would be responsible.

However, to make a blanket statement and say gun owners are ALWAYS responsible for how their guns are used is silly. There are many situations--stolen guns, for example--where that is not and should not be the case.

In THIS particular case--then POSSIBLY some adults should be charged--although I HIGHLY doubt from the article it should be the parents. We don't actually know who owned the guns, either.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Sunday 7th of February 2016 11:13:17 AM
I didn't make a blanket statement. Try reading what i wrote. I said that if it is shown that there were not REASONABLE precautions to keep the firearms in check. Yes, kids can break in, steal, etc and no the parents shouldn't be liable. But, if that was a loaded firearm laying around, then that should come into play.

Try reading the article. We don't know if the parents were even there. We don't know how the firearms were stored, or if they were loaded--an 11 year old would be fully capable of loading one, himself.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

If the guns belong to the grandparents then look into that. Again i said to look at the CIRCUMSTANCES.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

An eleven year old purposely going to get a gun and kill someone is not even remotely the same as a toddler or 6 year old being curious and accidentally dying or killing someone.

He would have just killed her some other way.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
An eleven year old purposely going to get a gun and kill someone is not even remotely the same as a toddler or 6 year old being curious and accidentally dying or killing someone.

He would have just killed her some other way.

Actually, no one knows that. A loaded gun made it very easy. He didn't even have to go outside.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
An eleven year old purposely going to get a gun and kill someone is not even remotely the same as a toddler or 6 year old being curious and accidentally dying or killing someone.

He would have just killed her some other way.

I really don't see how that is relevant. He didn't kill her some other way. And, guns are VERY effective at killing. Yeah,you can stab someone, but it takes a lot of effort and time and not always easy to deal that fatal cut. With a gun, it is very efficient to kill. And, I am pro gun. But, i am not going to pretend guns are not in a different category than a steak knife. They absolutely are and we should always have a very healthy respect for the lethal capabilities of guns. This child had access to a loaded gun. How or why, they don't explain. Did he break into the gun cabinet and grab it? Did he steal ammunition from home and bring it over because he knew where the gun was? Or did he simply get angry and then turns and sees a gun and ammo within easy reach?

Guns don't belong in the hands of children. One can be Pro Gun and pro NRA and understand that is just common sense. Yes, if you want your child to hunt with you and they are supervised, fine. But, we try to keep porn, alcohol and other things out of the hands of children for their own safety and protection. This is just common sense.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
An eleven year old purposely going to get a gun and kill someone is not even remotely the same as a toddler or 6 year old being curious and accidentally dying or killing someone.

He would have just killed her some other way.
I really don't see how that is relevant. He didn't kill her some other way. And, guns are VERY effective at killing. Yeah,you can stab someone, but it takes a lot of effort and time and not always easy to deal that fatal cut. With a gun, it is very efficient to kill. And, I am pro gun. But, i am not going to pretend guns are not in a different category than a steak knife. They absolutely are and we should always have a very healthy respect for the lethal capabilities of guns. This child had access to a loaded gun. How or why, they don't explain. Did he break into the gun cabinet and grab it? Did he steal ammunition from home and bring it over because he knew where the gun was? Or did he simply get angry and then turns and sees a gun and ammo within easy reach?
Guns don't belong in the hands of children. One can be Pro Gun and pro NRA and understand that is just common sense. Yes, if you want your child to hunt with you and they are supervised, fine. But, we try to keep porn, alcohol and other things out of the hands of children for their own safety and protection. This is just common sense.

Thank you!

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
An eleven year old purposely going to get a gun and kill someone is not even remotely the same as a toddler or 6 year old being curious and accidentally dying or killing someone.

He would have just killed her some other way.
I really don't see how that is relevant. He didn't kill her some other way. And, guns are VERY effective at killing. Yeah,you can stab someone, but it takes a lot of effort and time and not always easy to deal that fatal cut. With a gun, it is very efficient to kill. And, I am pro gun. But, i am not going to pretend guns are not in a different category than a steak knife. They absolutely are and we should always have a very healthy respect for the lethal capabilities of guns. This child had access to a loaded gun. How or why, they don't explain. Did he break into the gun cabinet and grab it? Did he steal ammunition from home and bring it over because he knew where the gun was? Or did he simply get angry and then turns and sees a gun and ammo within easy reach?
Guns don't belong in the hands of children. One can be Pro Gun and pro NRA and understand that is just common sense. Yes, if you want your child to hunt with you and they are supervised, fine. But, we try to keep porn, alcohol and other things out of the hands of children for their own safety and protection. This is just common sense.

I don't disagree that 11 year olds don't need handguns. It's the "prosecute the parents" thing I have a problem with. The gun could have been locked up, unloaded and put away. And an 11 year old could still get it if determined enough.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
An eleven year old purposely going to get a gun and kill someone is not even remotely the same as a toddler or 6 year old being curious and accidentally dying or killing someone.

He would have just killed her some other way.
I really don't see how that is relevant. He didn't kill her some other way. And, guns are VERY effective at killing. Yeah,you can stab someone, but it takes a lot of effort and time and not always easy to deal that fatal cut. With a gun, it is very efficient to kill. And, I am pro gun. But, i am not going to pretend guns are not in a different category than a steak knife. They absolutely are and we should always have a very healthy respect for the lethal capabilities of guns. This child had access to a loaded gun. How or why, they don't explain. Did he break into the gun cabinet and grab it? Did he steal ammunition from home and bring it over because he knew where the gun was? Or did he simply get angry and then turns and sees a gun and ammo within easy reach?
Guns don't belong in the hands of children. One can be Pro Gun and pro NRA and understand that is just common sense. Yes, if you want your child to hunt with you and they are supervised, fine. But, we try to keep porn, alcohol and other things out of the hands of children for their own safety and protection. This is just common sense.
I don't disagree that 11 year olds don't need handguns. It's the "prosecute the parents" thing I have a problem with. The gun could have been locked up, unloaded and put away. And an 11 year old could still get it if determined enough.

I have already addressed this multiple times. There has to be some neglect that needs to be shown on the part of the adults responsible for the guns.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
An eleven year old purposely going to get a gun and kill someone is not even remotely the same as a toddler or 6 year old being curious and accidentally dying or killing someone.

He would have just killed her some other way.
I really don't see how that is relevant. He didn't kill her some other way. And, guns are VERY effective at killing. Yeah,you can stab someone, but it takes a lot of effort and time and not always easy to deal that fatal cut. With a gun, it is very efficient to kill. And, I am pro gun. But, i am not going to pretend guns are not in a different category than a steak knife. They absolutely are and we should always have a very healthy respect for the lethal capabilities of guns. This child had access to a loaded gun. How or why, they don't explain. Did he break into the gun cabinet and grab it? Did he steal ammunition from home and bring it over because he knew where the gun was? Or did he simply get angry and then turns and sees a gun and ammo within easy reach?
Guns don't belong in the hands of children. One can be Pro Gun and pro NRA and understand that is just common sense. Yes, if you want your child to hunt with you and they are supervised, fine. But, we try to keep porn, alcohol and other things out of the hands of children for their own safety and protection. This is just common sense.
I don't disagree that 11 year olds don't need handguns. It's the "prosecute the parents" thing I have a problem with. The gun could have been locked up, unloaded and put away. And an 11 year old could still get it if determined enough.
I have already addressed this multiple times. There has to be some neglect that needs to be shown on the part of the adults responsible for the guns.

And you are not the only one posting.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Most 11 year olds have their own gun.

A squirrel gun at least.

And have been shooting for a while.

At least the ones I know around here.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
Most 11 year olds have their own gun.

A squirrel gun at least.

And have been shooting for a while.

At least the ones I know around here.

And THAT is the difference.

In this case, the gun should have been secured so he couldn't get it.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Most 11 year olds have their own gun.

A squirrel gun at least.

And have been shooting for a while.

At least the ones I know around here.
And THAT is the difference.
In this case, the gun should have been secured so he couldn't get it.
flan

Ummm, because the parents KNEW he was going to kill someone? ????

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

This is one of my little cousins. The riffle is hers. She got it for Christmas.

The handgun is her brother-in-laws, he is a marine.

She is 10 I think.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Most 11 year olds have their own gun.

A squirrel gun at least.

And have been shooting for a while.

At least the ones I know around here.
And THAT is the difference.
In this case, the gun should have been secured so he couldn't get it.
flan
Ummm, because the parents KNEW he was going to kill someone? ????

Ummmm, because BASIC gun safety anytime there are CHILDREN in the house.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Most 11 year olds have their own gun.

A squirrel gun at least.

And have been shooting for a while.

At least the ones I know around here.
And THAT is the difference.
In this case, the gun should have been secured so he couldn't get it.
flan
Ummm, because the parents KNEW he was going to kill someone? ????

Do they have "know" that? Why dont' we let kids drive cars? Or drink alcohol? Oh wait, because something BAD could happen.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
This is one of my little cousins. The riffle is hers. She got it for Christmas.
The handgun is her brother-in-laws, he is a marine.
She is 10 I think.

And, there is an adult supervising so not sure what your point is? I certainly never said kids couldn't handle guns.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Most 11 year olds have their own gun.

A squirrel gun at least.

And have been shooting for a while.

At least the ones I know around here.
And THAT is the difference.
In this case, the gun should have been secured so he couldn't get it.
flan
Ummm, because the parents KNEW he was going to kill someone? ????
Ummmm, because BASIC gun safety anytime there are CHILDREN in the house.
flan

And you are assuming the kid wasn't part of that gun safety. That he hadn't been taught gun safety. And you are assuming the gun wasn't put up and that the kid didn't get to it, anyway. He's ELEVEN, not 2.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Most 11 year olds have their own gun.

A squirrel gun at least.

And have been shooting for a while.

At least the ones I know around here.
And THAT is the difference.
In this case, the gun should have been secured so he couldn't get it.
flan
Ummm, because the parents KNEW he was going to kill someone? ????
Ummmm, because BASIC gun safety anytime there are CHILDREN in the house.
flan
And you are assuming the kid wasn't part of that gun safety. That he hadn't been taught gun safety. And you are assuming the gun wasn't put up and that the kid didn't get to it, anyway. He's ELEVEN, not 2.

Uh huh. Handling guns safely usually means NOT pointing it at an 8 yr old and pulling the trigger. evileye

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I don't have a cavalier disregard for the lethality of guns. Seems some of you do. And, that is very unfortunate and actually gives more credibility to the anti gun crowd when you can't have a healthy respect for the power of firearms.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Most 11 year olds have their own gun.

A squirrel gun at least.

And have been shooting for a while.

At least the ones I know around here.
And THAT is the difference.
In this case, the gun should have been secured so he couldn't get it.
flan
Ummm, because the parents KNEW he was going to kill someone? ????
Do they have "know" that? Why dont' we let kids drive cars? Or drink alcohol? Oh wait, because something BAD could happen.

I was driving at 9.

So we're all my cousins.

Shoot. Everyone I know was driving by then.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Most 11 year olds have their own gun.

A squirrel gun at least.

And have been shooting for a while.

At least the ones I know around here.
And THAT is the difference.
In this case, the gun should have been secured so he couldn't get it.
flan
Ummm, because the parents KNEW he was going to kill someone? ????
Ummmm, because BASIC gun safety anytime there are CHILDREN in the house.
flan
And you are assuming the kid wasn't part of that gun safety. That he hadn't been taught gun safety. And you are assuming the gun wasn't put up and that the kid didn't get to it, anyway. He's ELEVEN, not 2.
Uh huh. Handling guns safely usually means NOT pointing it at an 8 yr old and pulling the trigger.

Which does not appear to be an accident. so, what does gun safety have to do with it. This is about an evil child that committed murder.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
This is one of my little cousins. The riffle is hers. She got it for Christmas.
The handgun is her brother-in-laws, he is a marine.
She is 10 I think.
And, there is an adult supervising so not sure what your point is? I certainly never said kids couldn't handle guns.

My point is, the kids know, the less likely they are to do something like shoot another.

And to say that parents should be responsible is just silly.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Most 11 year olds have their own gun.

A squirrel gun at least.

And have been shooting for a while.

At least the ones I know around here.
And THAT is the difference.
In this case, the gun should have been secured so he couldn't get it.
flan
Ummm, because the parents KNEW he was going to kill someone? ????
Ummmm, because BASIC gun safety anytime there are CHILDREN in the house.
flan
And you are assuming the kid wasn't part of that gun safety. That he hadn't been taught gun safety. And you are assuming the gun wasn't put up and that the kid didn't get to it, anyway. He's ELEVEN, not 2.
Uh huh. Handling guns safely usually means NOT pointing it at an 8 yr old and pulling the trigger.
Which does not appear to be an accident. so, what does gun safety have to do with it. This is about an evil child that committed murder.

No, he was having a tantrum, which would have passed IF the gun had been secured correctly.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

And let's point out - this was a BB GUN. It was not a handgun. It was a gun that is actually considered to be a child's toy.

Or a shotgun. Geesh - bad article.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Monday 8th of February 2016 07:39:32 AM

TOTALLY GEEKED!

Boy, 11, found guilty of murdering an eight-year-old girl after shooting her in the chest with a shotgun when she refused to let him play with her puppy

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