I saw my ex-husband in court last week. It was the first time I had seen him in longer than I could remember; the exact date lost in an 8-inch-thick legal file of court proceedings that is currently lying on my desk. In fact, I could count on one hand the number of times I have seen him since I started that file four years ago.
Up until just a few days ago, I literally could not find my ex-husband.
But before he disappeared four years ago, I was a married, stay-at-home mom of a 3-year-old daughter and 7-month-old son. Then overnight my world turned upside down when my husband said he was going to the store and simply never returned.
Not only was my marriage over, but he left me with two very young children in a position where I was unable to instantaneously support us.
Quitting his job and leaving his work vehicle (his only car) in the parking lot of his employer, he turned off his phone, moved out of town, and became untraceable. His actions were not just an exaggerated statement that he no longer wanted our marriage, but it was a heartbreaking declaration that he also no longer wanted our kids.
And I’ve heard it all; the judgments that people love to throw my way. “Didn’t you see this coming,” and “what did you do to make him leave?” Or “this is why you never should not have been a stay-at-home mom without your own career,” and my favorite, “you had kids with him, you did this to yourself.”
Except that really, none of that matters. The fact is that I had two children, in a marriage where my husband made it abundantly clear that he wanted me to get pregnant, and then half of the people that it took to create those kids walked away.
Despite our circumstances, I still want what’s best for my kids, so I wasted no time in trying to pull a life together for the remaining three of us. Unlike their father, I couldn’t ignore the kids’ heartache, and the last thing I wanted to do was add to their suffering with unmet necessities and hunger, which was at times a reality for us.
So thank goodness the kid’s father was legally required to financially provide for us by paying spousal support and child support!
Except how do you get money from someone that you can’t find?
You can’t. I didn’t.
Emergency motions were filed, temporary support orders were put in place, but at the end of the day all I had was a piece of paper stating that I should be getting money that I had no idea how to actually obtain. I was thrust face first into the reality that real life isn’t like TV, where the court system will hunt your ex down and make him pay, and kind hearted detectives are so worried about your children that they will put in overtime to track down your child’s deadbeat father and throw him in jail with the rest of the nation’s criminals.
No, I learned that real life is aggravatingly slow, exceedingly clerical, and unbelievably flooded with many parents who are in the same situation as mine.
Unfortunately, I’m no special snowflake. In the U.S., only 42 percent of custodial parents(the parent with physical custody of their children) are paid the full amount of child support that they are owed, leaving more than $21 billion in unpaid support that is owed to single parents like me. When you look at those astronomical amounts that our court systems are trying to deal with, it’s easy to understand why many single parents just become another number on a list and a file on a desk.
Throughout the entirety of my divorce process, my ex showed up to only one court date. It was the day he signed over all of our material possessions to me, saying he wanted absolutely nothing from his old life. When the judge asked him if he wanted visitation with his kids, he added insult to injury by stating that “those kids just aren’t worth my time.”
The judge divorced us.
The judge did however, order my now ex-husband — who was claiming that he was unemployed and could not pay support — to begin what was called a “job diary.” My ex was supposed to apply for two jobs a day, make a record of it, and bring the record to my attorney’s office on a regular basis in order to prove that he was attempting to financially support his unwanted, but still very much existing, children.
It didn’t surprise me though when he walked out of court that day and failed to ever show up to my attorney’s office with his job diary.
A year and a half after he left us, I still had not received even as much as a quarter from my ex-husband. On the phone with the child support office while pleading my case, I heard my caseworker sigh as she explained “you’re just going to have to think of this as a long term savings account. At some point he will be old enough to collect social security, and at that point the state will garnish his payments and send them to you.”
I was not OK with that.
It wasn’t even money that I was after per say, but rather the necessities that the money could buy. My ex left me in a bad situation and getting out of it has proven to be financially difficult. We live below the poverty line, and I need things for the kids now, but Target won’t take an “I owe you” and collect my payment in 16 years.
The caseworker’s answer was not good enough for me, but unfortunately there wasn’t much I could do about it. As far as I knew, my ex was working under the table somewhere. When the child support department checked his social security number, it reflected no activity that would trace him to a job, an apartment rental, a car payment, or even a credit card. Months dragged on as I watched notices being sent to my house stating that the child support department had suspended his hunting and fishing license, as well as his firearm ownership card. I got a letter stating that if he didn’t start paying, they would suspend his driver’s license. Eventually a letter came that they had suspended his driver’s license.
But none of that mattered to me, because what I needed was money and I didn’t have the luxury of waiting. And the irony of it all is that in order to get money, you need money. Slapping down the last of the money I had from selling many of my possessions, I paid my attorney to take my case back to court again in the hopes that I could speed along the process.
We went to court, a warrant was issued for my ex’s arrest, and then the waiting process began for someone to stumble across him, or for the police to randomly pull him over. A process that did nothing except shatter any stigmas I believed of how easy it is to have your ex thrown in jail for nonpayment of child support.
The jail was ready for him, but not if they couldn’t find him, and with real crime on the police dockets, my ex wasn’t anyone that they were actually looking for.
Months later I found out that he was working a part time job across town. Why his social security number hadn’t been flagged in the system, I don’t know, but when I called the police begging them to go pick him up, I was told that they didn’t have time. After calling every day for a week, I broke down into tears, and thankfully, the cop who had answered my call related to the struggling parent I was, and saw me as more than just a file on her desk.
My ex was picked up that afternoon, taken to jail, and mere hours later he bailed out with the entire amount of his back due support. He had the money all along, he just didn’t want any of it to go to his children.
Unfortunately, he didn’t change his ways, and did not continue to keep current on his support obligations. When the amount he owed our family once again reached a staggering amount, I took him back to court again. Having been served at his place of employment, he did show up to court, only to threaten “if you throw me in jail, I’ll get fired, and then you won’t get any money out of me,” which was it was enough to cause my attorney to remind me of how the law works. The law will send parents to jail for nonpayment, and their only way to get out before serving up to 12 months in some states is to pay the full amount of what they owe.
Looking at my ex and heeding my attorney’s words that my ex probably would lose his job, and might not get another one, I begrudgingly signed an agreement that would allow him to repay the debts he owed over the course of the next five years, via a garnishment from his paycheck.
I left the courthouse that day fuming: “I can’t believe that I just let him finance his kids.”
I didn’t like it, but I had made the best decision that I could in a situation with no great answer, and it turned out to be the wrong one. My ex quit his job, there was no support to be garnished, and he fell off the grid again.
I’ve gone to multiple court dates since then to try and get what my children are owed, but my ex never shows up and I leave with pieces of paper that just add to the clutter on an overwhelmed caseworker’s desk.
But then last week my ex surprised me and showed up to a court date for his continued nonpayment. Our case is set for hearing next month, but that doesn’t mean that I will be getting child support, or that I ever will.
With the largest percentage of our population’s poverty-stricken families comprised of single parents owed unpaid child support who can’t seem to catch up enough to get ahead, I fear that I may be stuck in this cycle forever. I want to give up, to stop chasing him down, but I have kids who need more than what I can provide them alone. I don’t like living below the poverty line, and I didn’t get into this situation by myself, but the burden of fixing it falls solely on me. My kids and I deserve better than what my ex is doing to us, but as I’ve come to learn, our situation is not something I can easily change.
“Just get child support” people say.
If only they knew.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
It may be already against the law but employers should be held as much accountable for paying under the table as the deadbeat parent. I've heard of so many who gets paid under the table to keep from paying child support.
The only time I ever got anything, it was caught by the flag in the government database.
And it was only ever enough to mess up their medicaid.
Yes, I guess the $102 a week might have "helped" but it wasn't worth the court costs, time, effort or possible involvement to go after it.
He is still behind.
Still owes what he hasn't paid.
Neither me or the kids will ever see a dime of it.
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My ex claimed he's disabled. He works a full time job under the table and collects disability. I get 55% of his disability check for back child support.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
I thought I might get something next year, since the ex is out and working again. Will have to wait and see.
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By law they can take up to 55%. That is the max they can take. He was 70k behind when he got on disability. They, the child support people, set the rate. They said they had to make it so high or all he would be doing is constantly paying off the interest.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
And I have no sorrow for him. He should have been paying his child support all along. And I'm not just going to walk away and say it's not worth it.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
I don't know how far behind mine is now. I stopped counting.
It would be nice to get a lump sum, pay off the last of Caitlyn's college loans and put the rest aside for Jesse and Aaron.
But I really think the bigger value is not having him in our lives in any way.
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Meh, child support is not tied to visitation. If a father wants to see his kids he can see them whether or not he pays child support. So getting child support has nothing to do with it. My ex wants nothing to do with my kids. I'm fine with that. But he still has to pay because it's the law. And I will make sure he pays. When we found out he was on disability we researched it fully and then went in armed with information.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
But there is still a level of having to deal them.
And I know my ex. He would make it as hard as possible on all of us just because he is spiteful and vindictive.
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My ex is so spiteful and vindictive he got supervised visitation rights. He told the judge that if he ever got the kids on his own he'd kill them or hide them so I would never find them. The judge slapped supervised visitation on him so fast his head spun. That's the thing with most of these guys. They're just big bullies and when you stand up to them they back down. I stood up to him. And I never once had to deal with him. He never showed up in court. He sent his attorney instead.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
My ex is so spiteful and vindictive he got supervised visitation rights. He told the judge that if he ever got the kids on his own he'd kill them or hide them so I would never find them. The judge slapped supervised visitation on him so fast his head spun. That's the thing with most of these guys. They're just big bullies and when you stand up to them they back down. I stood up to him. And I never once had to deal with him. He never showed up in court. He sent his attorney instead.
Well. I'm just glad I no longer have to worry about visitation.
But he would assert himself into our life.
And that isn't worth it.
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A flock of flirting flamingos is pure, passionate, pink pandemonium-a frenetic flamingle-mangle-a discordant discotheque of delirious dancing, flamboyant feathers, and flamingo lingo.
Your kids are well old enough to choose whether or not to see him. And you don't have to have any contact with him. That's the thing. They do it for you. It is money owed to the kids. They deserve it. The kids don't have to have anything to do with him nor do you. I wouldn't let him off the hook for his responsibilities. No way. No how.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
I finally got him to stop writing me from prison after not responding for 2 years and getting the warden involved.
He sent mail to Caitlyn at school.
He called over and over again.
He becomes a stalker.
I had to get the warden involved to get him to leave us alone.
No.
It isn't worth it.
-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Tuesday 16th of February 2016 06:51:18 PM
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Then get a restraining order. But letting him off of child support is just saying he can bully you into doing whatever he wants.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
And you did say you still cared for him. I think this is an issue with a lot of women. You have to cut ties completely.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
As for my caring, he is the father of my kids. I don't wish him ill will.
But I don't want him any where around us either.
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A flock of flirting flamingos is pure, passionate, pink pandemonium-a frenetic flamingle-mangle-a discordant discotheque of delirious dancing, flamboyant feathers, and flamingo lingo.
Well, I will agree to disagree. You don't have the right to just walk away from your kids. Our country has legislated that. And I have always told my kids I will fight for them. I will fight for what they deserve and what is right. Their biological father owes them that money. It's not a gift or a present. He has a duty to pay it. And I have always told my kids that. And I stand behind my word. I don't care if it takes him the rest of his life to pay it off. That's his problem. Not mine.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
Gosh, I miss my deadbeat ex! I wish I had a picture of him.
A chalk outline would be nice.
:rolf: I haven't seen mine in decades. I'm fine with that.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
Gosh, I miss my deadbeat ex! I wish I had a picture of him.
A chalk outline would be nice.
I don't even want that.
I just want him to leave my kids and me alone.
I might even pay to keep him away.
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Yes. I picked and married a guy with a job, paying his rent and treated me nice.
It wasn't till the drugs started and then the change happened.
Yes. I couldn't see the future.
Want to kick a little harder?
Maybe if you make a few more snide comments, it'll make a difference.
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You know what? I was raised in a house filled with abuse. Every time I questioned why my mom stayed with him she said, "When you love someone you over look all the bad things they do." So when I started dating the message I had was, "Overlook the bad things." I am totally 100% responsible for picking a total douche bag loser. However, life doesn't happen in a vacuum. I DID get counseling and made a better second choice.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
It would if it was a hard labor prison where the prisoners do labor to get paid and the money goes to the kids.
I agree!
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
It would if it was a hard labor prison where the prisoners do labor to get paid and the money goes to the kids.
Might as well just have the taxpayers pay the child support. It would cost far less than operating such a facility.
The principle matters.
Don't you think the taxpayers are already overburdened fixing everyone's mistakes?
Failing to pay child support is a crime. It is stealing from your children and needs to be punished like any other crime. And IF we punished deadbeats more harshly, it would inspire others to pay.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
It would if it was a hard labor prison where the prisoners do labor to get paid and the money goes to the kids.
Might as well just have the taxpayers pay the child support. It would cost far less than operating such a facility.
The principle matters.
Don't you think the taxpayers are already overburdened fixing everyone's mistakes?
Failing to pay child support is a crime. It is stealing from your children and needs to be punished like any other crime. And IF we punished deadbeats more harshly, it would inspire others to pay.
Yeah, we are doing enough. Putting them in jail ensures it will never get paid.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
It would if it was a hard labor prison where the prisoners do labor to get paid and the money goes to the kids.
Might as well just have the taxpayers pay the child support. It would cost far less than operating such a facility.
The principle matters.
Don't you think the taxpayers are already overburdened fixing everyone's mistakes?
Failing to pay child support is a crime. It is stealing from your children and needs to be punished like any other crime. And IF we punished deadbeats more harshly, it would inspire others to pay.
Yeah, we are doing enough. Putting them in jail ensures it will never get paid.
If that were true, people would all be paying their child support.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
It would if it was a hard labor prison where the prisoners do labor to get paid and the money goes to the kids.
Might as well just have the taxpayers pay the child support. It would cost far less than operating such a facility.
The principle matters.
Don't you think the taxpayers are already overburdened fixing everyone's mistakes?
Failing to pay child support is a crime. It is stealing from your children and needs to be punished like any other crime. And IF we punished deadbeats more harshly, it would inspire others to pay.
Yeah, we are doing enough. Putting them in jail ensures it will never get paid.
If that were true, people would all be paying their child support.
Not everything is the governments problem. We spend billions already trying to make up for people's bad choices.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
It would if it was a hard labor prison where the prisoners do labor to get paid and the money goes to the kids.
Might as well just have the taxpayers pay the child support. It would cost far less than operating such a facility.
The principle matters.
Don't you think the taxpayers are already overburdened fixing everyone's mistakes?
Failing to pay child support is a crime. It is stealing from your children and needs to be punished like any other crime. And IF we punished deadbeats more harshly, it would inspire others to pay.
Yeah, we are doing enough. Putting them in jail ensures it will never get paid.
If that were true, people would all be paying their child support.
Not everything is the governments problem. We spend billions already trying to make up for people's bad choices.
AGAIN, it's a CRIME. Enforcing laws is actually one of the government's jobs. One of the few I actually get behind.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
It would if it was a hard labor prison where the prisoners do labor to get paid and the money goes to the kids.
Might as well just have the taxpayers pay the child support. It would cost far less than operating such a facility.
The principle matters.
Don't you think the taxpayers are already overburdened fixing everyone's mistakes?
Failing to pay child support is a crime. It is stealing from your children and needs to be punished like any other crime. And IF we punished deadbeats more harshly, it would inspire others to pay.
Yeah, we are doing enough. Putting them in jail ensures it will never get paid.
If that were true, people would all be paying their child support.
Not everything is the governments problem. We spend billions already trying to make up for people's bad choices.
AGAIN, it's a CRIME. Enforcing laws is actually one of the government's jobs. One of the few I actually get behind.
and it is being enforced within the bounds of the law.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
Except they don't really enforce them paying. I've even been told that. They don't put them in jail. Even if you ask them to. They only go after the guys with money. And that's not fair either. Why focus on only them?
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
Except they don't really enforce them paying. I've even been told that. They don't put them in jail. Even if you ask them to. They only go after the guys with money. And that's not fair either. Why focus on only them?
What use is it to go after those without money?
they do enforce such laws. There is a whole ridiculous bureaucracy set up to garnish wages and pay out the support. The government Is spending BILLIONS to clean up people's messes.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
Except they don't really enforce them paying. I've even been told that. They don't put them in jail. Even if you ask them to. They only go after the guys with money. And that's not fair either. Why focus on only them?
What use is it to go after those without money?
they do enforce such laws. There is a whole ridiculous bureaucracy set up to garnish wages and pay out the support. The government Is spending BILLIONS to clean up people's messes.
Because, Husker, if they were REALLY threatened with prison, they might find a way to pay that child support. Why is this simple concept so difficult for you?
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Except they don't really enforce them paying. I've even been told that. They don't put them in jail. Even if you ask them to. They only go after the guys with money. And that's not fair either. Why focus on only them?
What use is it to go after those without money?
they do enforce such laws. There is a whole ridiculous bureaucracy set up to garnish wages and pay out the support. The government Is spending BILLIONS to clean up people's messes.
Because, Husker, if they were REALLY threatened with prison, they might find a way to pay that child support. Why is this simple concept so difficult for you?
Our prisons are already overcrowded.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
Except they don't really enforce them paying. I've even been told that. They don't put them in jail. Even if you ask them to. They only go after the guys with money. And that's not fair either. Why focus on only them?
What use is it to go after those without money?
they do enforce such laws. There is a whole ridiculous bureaucracy set up to garnish wages and pay out the support. The government Is spending BILLIONS to clean up people's messes.
Because, Husker, if they were REALLY threatened with prison, they might find a way to pay that child support. Why is this simple concept so difficult for you?
Our prisons are already overcrowded.
Oh well. Kill the murderers and free up some space.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Except they don't really enforce them paying. I've even been told that. They don't put them in jail. Even if you ask them to. They only go after the guys with money. And that's not fair either. Why focus on only them?
What use is it to go after those without money?
they do enforce such laws. There is a whole ridiculous bureaucracy set up to garnish wages and pay out the support. The government Is spending BILLIONS to clean up people's messes.
Because, Husker, if they were REALLY threatened with prison, they might find a way to pay that child support. Why is this simple concept so difficult for you?
Our prisons are already overcrowded.
Oh well. Kill the murderers and free up some space.
Yeah, that's going to happen. When you decide to join us back here in reality, maybe we can discuss something that could actually happen.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
Hey, you are the one that says prison costs too much and it's over-crowded. Not providing healthcare would save a lot of money, and prisoners would die off quicker. Win all around.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.