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WASHINGTON -- Pope Francis said on Thursday that Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump's plan to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border is "not Christian."

Speaking aboard his papal plane after visiting Mexico, the pope was asked specifically about Trump's proposal. "A person who only thinks about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian," he said, according to reporterswho were on the plane with the pontiff.

The pope made a point of stressing that he was not suggesting whom American voters should support in the election: "I am not going to get involved in that. I would only say that this man is not Christian if he has said things like that."

Francis, a native of Argentina, has prioritized ministering to the poor and vulnerable during his papacy. 

Trump responded to the pope's comments quickly, putting out acampaign statement that "for a religious leader to question a person’s faith is disgraceful.” 

The GOP front-runner is not the only Republican candidate who has called for a wall to be built between the United States and Mexico. Ohio Gov. John Kasich, as well as Sens. Ted Cruz (Texas) and Marco Rubio (Florida), have all said they would builda barrier along the U.S. southern border.

A son of immigrants himself, the pope noted earlier that the U.S. was "largely built" by immigrant families. 

As word of the pontiff's comments about Trump spread on social media, Trump's social media director, Dan Scavino, posted this tweet:

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Well, thats calling the kettle black...

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So, now the Pope is going to question another man's faith? OK fine. Then has he ever questioned Obama's faith? Or anyone else's faith? Haven't heard that he has.

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Not wanting the border to be overrun with illegals means Trump isn't Christian? I'm a Christian and I believe we need that wall.

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It sounds to me like he's saying "Christian" when he means "Giving" or " understanding".



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Since when did a pope butt in to American politics. How many refugees he has allowed in Vatican City? One family. One. How Christian of him.

The more this pope opens his mouth, the more I am tempted to become a Mormon.

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Neither is this pope, in my opinion.

But that's between him and God.



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I think what the Pope was saying is that building a wall is not Christian like. He was saying it in the sense that shutting people out is not loving and caring for people worse off than we are.

And before you start flaming me I don't think we need tons of illegals in this country either.

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It sounds to me like he's saying "Christian" when he means "Giving" or " understanding".


 That's pretty much what he meant.



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It sounds to me like he's saying "Christian" when he means "Giving" or " understanding".


 That's pretty much what he meant.


 Exactly.

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Well, thats calling the kettle black...


The Roman Catholic Church has been stuck in the past for far too long. This Pope is a breath of fresh air.

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I think what the Pope was saying is that building a wall is not Christian like. He was saying it in the sense that shutting people out is not loving and caring for people worse off than we are.

And before you start flaming me I don't think we need tons of illegals in this country either.


 Maybe we should change the way we think about it.

Walls keep people out, but they also keep people in.

 



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Well, thats calling the kettle black...


The Roman Catholic Church has been stuck in the past for far too long. This Pope is a breath of fresh air.

flan


 Meh.  There are some changes that I appreciate.  But he needs to keep his nose out of our elections.  And our leaders should keep their noses out of their conclave.



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When polled, 23% of Americans list their religion as "Catholic." That's a lot of people.

From the article:

The pope made a point of stressing that he was not suggesting whom American voters should support in the election.

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When polled, 23% of Americans list their religion as "Catholic." That's a lot of people.

From the article:

The pope made a point of stressing that he was not suggesting whom American voters should support in the election.

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Well, a lot of people here list their religion as Catholic.

 That's because they were baptized in the Catholic religion, but haven't set foot in a church since then.



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BS. He's influential. If he didn't want to tell people who to vote for, then he shouldn't have expressed his opinion.

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While we're on the subject of Pope poophead, what about his wall? Huh? Vatican City is a walled-in country. Talk about a hypocrite.

 

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flan327 wrote:
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Well, thats calling the kettle black...


The Roman Catholic Church has been stuck in the past for far too long. This Pope is a breath of fresh air.

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 That lives among his own walls...



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Ohfour wrote:
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Well, thats calling the kettle black...


The Roman Catholic Church has been stuck in the past for far too long. This Pope is a breath of fresh air.

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 That lives among his own walls...


 The difference is that he DIDN'T build the wall.

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Meh, people get mad whenever someone like the Pope even suggests they like a candidate. Unless, of course, they are rooting for that candidate themselves. Then it's okay.

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And he isn't tearing it down any time in the near future, is he?

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When polled, 23% of Americans list their religion as "Catholic." That's a lot of people.

From the article:

The pope made a point of stressing that he was not suggesting whom American voters should support in the election.

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Well, a lot of people here list their religion as Catholic.

 That's because they were baptized in the Catholic religion, but haven't set foot in a church since then.


 I was raised Catholic as well, but don't list that as my religion.

I actually was curious as to the percentage of Americans who said they were Catholic.

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Has anyone here even been to the Vatican? It's a friggin fortress. Not that I think there's anything wrong with it. Just don't judge others for wanting what you have.

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flan327 wrote:
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Well, thats calling the kettle black...


The Roman Catholic Church has been stuck in the past for far too long. This Pope is a breath of fresh air.

flan


 That lives among his own walls...


 The difference is that he DIDN'T build the wall.

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 So? Hes made all kinds of changes. He could take down that wall if he wasnt a flaming hypocrite. 



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And he isn't tearing it down any time in the near future, is he?


I don't know, but if he did, everyone would be screaming that he "defamed" Vatican City.

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Ohfour wrote:
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Ohfour wrote:
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Well, thats calling the kettle black...


The Roman Catholic Church has been stuck in the past for far too long. This Pope is a breath of fresh air.

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 That lives among his own walls...


 The difference is that he DIDN'T build the wall.

flan


 So? Hes made all kinds of changes. He could take down that wall if he wasnt a flaming hypocrite. 


 AGAIN with the name calling...

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The Catholic Church has been a strong prolife force in the world so i respect that. But seems like he is interjecting into things they usually dont.

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The Catholic Church has been a strong prolife force in the world so i respect that. But seems like he is interjecting into things they usually dont.


 I don't think any religious leader should speak out specifically to certain politicians.  I definitely think they should speak out on certain issues.  Like being prolife or whatever.  They shouldn't endorse anyone.  But definitely speak to how the church feels about issues.



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"A person who only thinks about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian," he said,



That's really not ambiguous. He said Trump is not Christian because he talks about building a wall.






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Well despite Trumps team using a picture with a drawn in line and claiming the city 100% walled, it is not. There are huge openings with no border check points.



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I have no idea whether or not Trump is a Christian. However, what the pope is basing his nonsense on has NOTHING whatsoever to do with Christianity.

The pope is a fool--and apparently doesn't even know what being a Christian is or means.

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I have no idea whether or not Trump is a Christian. However, what the pope is basing his nonsense on has NOTHING whatsoever to do with Christianity.

The pope is a fool--and apparently doesn't even know what being a Christian is or means.


 I'm sure he'll step down as soon as he hears YOUR opinion.

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I have no idea whether or not Trump is a Christian. However, what the pope is basing his nonsense on has NOTHING whatsoever to do with Christianity.

The pope is a fool--and apparently doesn't even know what being a Christian is or means.


 I'm sure he'll step down as soon as he hears YOUR opinion.

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 What? Youre not going to scold Husher for name calling? Or is that little peeve reserved for just me? Ah!!!!! The power!!!!! 



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I wonder what the Pope's opinion will be when ISIS comes knocking on his wall..

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I have no idea whether or not Trump is a Christian. However, what the pope is basing his nonsense on has NOTHING whatsoever to do with Christianity.

The pope is a fool--and apparently doesn't even know what being a Christian is or means.


 I'm sure he'll step down as soon as he hears YOUR opinion.

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 What an odd and ridiculous thing to say.  No one really cares about anyone's opinions on here--yet people still post them.  



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I have no idea whether or not Trump is a Christian. However, what the pope is basing his nonsense on has NOTHING whatsoever to do with Christianity.

The pope is a fool--and apparently doesn't even know what being a Christian is or means.


 I'm sure he'll step down as soon as he hears YOUR opinion.

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 What an odd and ridiculous thing to say.  No one really cares about anyone's opinions on here--yet people still post them.  


 She always harps on OPINIONS when she doesn't have anything constructive to add or can't dispute what you say.



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Matthew 23New Living Translation (NLT)

Jesus Criticizes the Religious Leaders

23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses.[a] So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach. They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden.

“Everything they do is for show. On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels.[b] And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called ‘Rabbi.’[c]

“Don’t let anyone call you ‘Rabbi,’ for you have only one teacher, and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters.[d] And don’t address anyone here on earth as ‘Father,’ for only God in heaven is your spiritual Father. 10 And don’t let anyone call you ‘Teacher,’ for you have only one teacher, the Messiah. 11 The greatest among you must be a servant.12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

13 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces. You won’t go in yourselves, and you don’t let others enter either.[e]

15 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell[f] you yourselves are!

16 “Blind guides! What sorrow awaits you! For you say that it means nothing to swear ‘by God’s Temple,’ but that it is binding to swear ‘by the gold in the Temple.’ 17 Blind fools! Which is more important—the gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? 18 And you say that to swear ‘by the altar’ is not binding, but to swear ‘by the gifts on the altar’ is binding. 19 How blind! For which is more important—the gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20 When you swear ‘by the altar,’ you are swearing by it and by everything on it. 21 And when you swear ‘by the Temple,’ you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it.22 And when you swear ‘by heaven,’ you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne.

23 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens,[g] but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. 24 Blind guides! You strain your water so you won’t accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel![h]

25 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthy—full of greed and self-indulgence!26 You blind Pharisee! First wash the inside of the cup and the dish,[i] and then the outside will become clean, too.

27 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs—beautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead people’s bones and all sorts of impurity. 28 Outwardly you look like righteous people, but inwardly your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness.

29 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you build tombs for the prophets your ancestors killed, and you decorate the monuments of the godly people your ancestors destroyed. 30 Then you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would never have joined them in killing the prophets.’

31 “But in saying that, you testify against yourselves that you are indeed the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Go ahead and finish what your ancestors started. 33 Snakes! Sons of vipers! How will you escape the judgment of hell?

34 “Therefore, I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers of religious law. But you will kill some by crucifixion, and you will flog others with whips in your synagogues, chasing them from city to city.35 As a result, you will be held responsible for the murder of all godly people of all time—from the murder of righteous Abel to the murder of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you killed in the Temple between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 I tell you the truth, this judgment will fall on this very generation.



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Even though I am not Catholic--I do have a lot of respect for some of the Catholic traditions.

HOWEVER--how can Catholics seriously follow this guy? Defining whether one is a "Christian" by a political position? A position that, unlike abortion, the Catholic church has NEVER taken a stand on. That is ludicrous.

I'm sorely tempted to put something on facebook about it--but I know it will come across as being very negative towards Catholics and Catholicism (even though that would be intentional, I don't want to lose my Catholic friends)--but seriously, I'm going to talk with some of them about this. I just don't see how this is in any way justifiable.

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Even though I am not Catholic--I do have a lot of respect for some of the Catholic traditions.

HOWEVER--how can Catholics seriously follow this guy? Defining whether one is a "Christian" by a political position? A position that, unlike abortion, the Catholic church has NEVER taken a stand on. That is ludicrous.

I'm sorely tempted to put something on facebook about it--but I know it will come across as being very negative towards Catholics and Catholicism (even though that would be intentional, I don't want to lose my Catholic friends)--but seriously, I'm going to talk with some of them about this. I just don't see how this is in any way justifiable.


 The Catholic church has had a lot of ups and downs through the years.  It can be a wonderful organization and does a lot for the world.  That being said, this Pope has some very strange ideas about Christianity and the teachings of the Bible.



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am not a catholic--regardless, do not believe the pope is qualified to declare a person " Christian " or not--that is between the individual and the Almighty

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I'm really surprised the deep left has not spoken out against the Pope making a political comment on OUR candidates.

Must be selective thinking about separation of church and state.

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am not a catholic--regardless, do not believe the pope is qualified to declare a person " Christian " or not--that is between the individual and the Almighty


 But I don't even see how the most ardent of Catholics can go along with this.  It's so far out of the realm of Biblical teaching--and even past church teachings--that it's simply absurd.  



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I'm really surprised the deep left has not spoken out against the Pope making a political comment on OUR candidates.

Must be selective thinking about separation of church and state.


Oh, the left is LOVING this.  In general, the left is FAR removed from any vestiges of Christianity--but they'll happily use a schism like this if it suits their purpose.  They'll proclaim loud and long how Trump must not be a Christian because the pope says so.  



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I have no idea whether or not Trump is a Christian. However, what the pope is basing his nonsense on has NOTHING whatsoever to do with Christianity.

The pope is a fool--and apparently doesn't even know what being a Christian is or means.


 I'm sure he'll step down as soon as he hears YOUR opinion.

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 What an odd and ridiculous thing to say.  No one really cares about anyone's opinions on here--yet people still post them.  


 She always harps on OPINIONS when she doesn't have anything constructive to add or can't dispute what you say.


 And the fact that husker calls the Pope a "fool" IS constructive? And I just disputed his opinion.

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Many past Popes behaved as if they were living in an Ivory Tower, with little connection to the lives of millions of Catholics. This pope is different, and I applaud that.

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I have no idea whether or not Trump is a Christian. However, what the pope is basing his nonsense on has NOTHING whatsoever to do with Christianity.

The pope is a fool--and apparently doesn't even know what being a Christian is or means.


 I'm sure he'll step down as soon as he hears YOUR opinion.

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 What an odd and ridiculous thing to say.  No one really cares about anyone's opinions on here--yet people still post them.  


 She always harps on OPINIONS when she doesn't have anything constructive to add or can't dispute what you say.


 And the fact that husker calls the Pope a "fool" IS constructive? And I just disputed his opinion.

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 It's a fair amount more constructive than the pope saying that anyone who holds a particular political opinion are not Christians.  



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Many past Popes behaved as if they were living in an Ivory Tower, with little connection to the lives of millions of Catholics. This pope is different, and I applaud that.

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 Um, you do know the Vatican City has walls, right, and he isn't making a move to take those down.  



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I'm really surprised the deep left has not spoken out against the Pope making a political comment on OUR candidates.

Must be selective thinking about separation of church and state.


Oh, the left is LOVING this.  In general, the left is FAR removed from any vestiges of Christianity--but they'll happily use a schism like this if it suits their purpose.  They'll proclaim loud and long how Trump must not be a Christian because the pope says so.  


 And right on cue--our little marxist proves me right. 



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FNW wrote:

While we're on the subject of Pope poophead, what about his wall? Huh? Vatican City is a walled-in country. Talk about a hypocrite.

 

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Pope Poophead? 

So far, we have a Pope Poophead, pope is a fool, and pope is a retard.

I'll remember that next time someone accuses me of being disrespectful of their religion.

Unbelievable.



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flan327 wrote:

Many past Popes behaved as if they were living in an Ivory Tower, with little connection to the lives of millions of Catholics. This pope is different, and I applaud that.

flan


 Um, you do know the Vatican City has walls, right, and he isn't making a move to take those down.  


 Already discussed upthread...

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