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lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

'See you Sunday': Chris Rock teases 'blackout' for Oscars

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

I really don't understand all this hoopla. Is Hollywood really that racist that they don't honor people due to their skin color? Or do others want affirmative action when it comes to awards, i.e. giving someone an award because they have a different skin color but were not the "best" actor?

FNW · Guru

You know, I wanted to watch it...but after about 30 seconds of Chris Rock and all his racist comments, I watched one of my recorded shows instead.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I haven't watched any of the awards shows in years.

But this has to be the most screwed up crap ever.

It's a can't win situation no matter what.

If none of the performances by black actors were good enough to be nominated, well that's on them.

Fight for better parts. Perform better.

And didn't 12 Years a Slave pretty much dominate the awards last year?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I didn't watch. A lot of phony drama created by millionaire crybabies. No thanks. Did Leo win? That was the only thing i was interested in.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Nothing is safe anymore from liberals pushing their agendas. You can't have a moment's peace or fun without them injecting their liberal crap into literally every damn thing.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Let's see. They served up "racism, global warming, LGBT", blah, blah, blah. After awhile, you just wanna puke.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Oh, and sexual assaults, let's not forget that! Oh, and raising money for the Girl Scouts!

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Let's see. They served up "racism, global warming, LGBT", blah, blah, blah. After awhile, you just wanna puke.

Be my guest.

And I didn't watch.

flan

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

I don't watch award shows in general. I just googled Denzel Washington & Morgan Freeman. Both have a whole bunch of Tonys, Academy Awards, Golden Globes but neither won an Oscar. Maybe there is something going on with the Oscars. I don't really know or much care it just seems a little strange.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

Well...from someone that works in the industry it is super white. Its changing, but slowly. The biggest problem that I see is that Hollywood will still recast characters as white when they were written as a different race.

Example - The Mortal Instruments - the side kick was Asian in the books. Both the movie and TV show have him as white. This is a minor character so I have no idea why they couldn't find someone who fit the description.

cadiver · Senior Member

Lexxy wrote:
I don't watch award shows in general. I just googled Denzel Washington & Morgan Freeman. Both have a whole bunch of Tonys, Academy Awards, Golden Globes but neither won an Oscar. Maybe there is something going on with the Oscars. I don't really know or much care it just seems a little strange.

They're the same.

-- Edited by cadiver on Monday 29th of February 2016 11:28:06 AM

Ohfour · Hooker

Lexxy wrote:
I don't watch award shows in general. I just googled Denzel Washington & Morgan Freeman. Both have a whole bunch of Tonys, Academy Awards, Golden Globes but neither won an Oscar. Maybe there is something going on with the Oscars. I don't really know or much care it just seems a little strange.

There were no outstanding performances by black actors this year. There just weren't. It looks to me like the black people are saying that there should be black nominees, whether the nomination was deserved or not. Seems kind of counterintuitive to me. They WANT to be rewarded for their skin color. Oh, racism is definitely alive...and it's not the white people...

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

cadiver wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
I don't watch award shows in general. I just googled Denzel Washington & Morgan Freeman. Both have a whole bunch of Tonys, Academy Awards, Golden Globes but neither won an Oscar. Maybe there is something going on with the Oscars. I don't really know or much care it just seems a little strange.
They're the same.

-- Edited by cadiver on Monday 29th of February 2016 11:28:06 AM

Oh. As I said I'm not much for watching award shows. But if that is the case then they both have won at least one. I realize they are only 2 black men among a lot of white ones, but they were the first ones to come to mind as great actors.

cadiver · Senior Member

lilyofcourse wrote:
I haven't watched any of the awards shows in years.

But this has to be the most screwed up crap ever.

It's a can't win situation no matter what.

If none of the performances by black actors were good enough to be nominated, well that's on them.

Fight for better parts. Perform better.

And didn't 12 Years a Slave pretty much dominate the awards last year?

It was the same last year.

12 years a Slave was 2014. I think it received three, I am not sure how many nominations.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

Part of the issue is that very few roles are offered up to Non Whites, and Straight Out of Compton was shut out. I don't think they are being racist, I think they are asking for Hollywood to be more diverse and actually represent the makeup of the U.S.

More roles should be open to all different colors, not just the same actors over and over again.

Ohfour · Hooker

Bonny22Pye wrote:
Part of the issue is that very few roles are offered up to Non Whites, and Straight Out of Compton was shut out. I don't think they are being racist, I think they are asking for Hollywood to be more diverse and actually represent the makeup of the U.S.

More roles should be open to all different colors, not just the same actors over and over again.

Well, as much as I like Straight Outta Compton, it DEFINITELY was NOT award worthy. The acting was horrible. It should have been shut out.

And Hollywood does what all businesses do. They make movies that make money. They shouldn't just make a movie because it has some black characters.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
Part of the issue is that very few roles are offered up to Non Whites, and Straight Out of Compton was shut out. I don't think they are being racist, I think they are asking for Hollywood to be more diverse and actually represent the makeup of the U.S.

More roles should be open to all different colors, not just the same actors over and over again.
Well, as much as I like Straight Outta Compton, it DEFINITELY was NOT award worthy. The acting was horrible. It should have been shut out.
And Hollywood does what all businesses do. They make movies that make money. They shouldn't just make a movie because it has some black characters.

True, but they could start by not changing the race of characters to white.

I actually liked Straight Out of Compton, but i can see why some people don't agree.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

There are black movies. BET has them everyday.

But most are just not good.

The ones that are, get noticed.

As for black rolls, there are more of them now than there once was.

But AA was never a good idea. And if you nominate just because of the color of skin, that's wrong.

Ohfour · Hooker

Bonny22Pye wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
Part of the issue is that very few roles are offered up to Non Whites, and Straight Out of Compton was shut out. I don't think they are being racist, I think they are asking for Hollywood to be more diverse and actually represent the makeup of the U.S.

More roles should be open to all different colors, not just the same actors over and over again.
Well, as much as I like Straight Outta Compton, it DEFINITELY was NOT award worthy. The acting was horrible. It should have been shut out.
And Hollywood does what all businesses do. They make movies that make money. They shouldn't just make a movie because it has some black characters.
True, but they could start by not changing the race of characters to white.
I actually liked Straight Out of Compton, but i can see why some people don't agree.

Oh, they do that all the time. They change black to white, white to black. It happens...more often that you think. Shawshank Redemption, nominated for best picture AND Best Actor in a Leading Role...In the book, Morgan Freeman's character, Red, was a red headed Irish guy...

Bonny22Pye · Guru

Here is a decent list of some whitewashing for those that are interested:

21 The film about card counting features white actors Jim Sturgess, Jacob Pitts, and Kevin Spacey in the lead roles. The film is based on the true story where a group of Asian-American students and their teacher applied card counting to win significantly in gambling.

30 Days of Night - In the vampire horror film, white actor Josh Hartnett plays Sheriff Eben Oleson in an Alaskan town. The originating comic book mini-series featured the character as Sheriff Eben Olemaun, who is of Inuit descent.

Aloha - The romantic comedy-drama features an all-white cast and is set in the state of Hawaii, which is over 70% nonwhite. One of the actors, Emma Stone, portrayed the character Allison Ng; the character is stated as having a father of halfChinese and half Native Hawaiian descent, and a mother of Swedish descent.

Apache - In the Western film, white actor Burt Lancaster stars as an Apache warrior

Argo - In the political thriller film based on a true story, white actor Ben Affleck plays Tony Mendez, a CIA technical operations officer who is of half Mexican descent.[12][13][18] Tony Mendez himself said he did not think of himself as Hispanic.

A Beautiful Mind - In the biographical film about John Nash, white actor Jennifer Connelly plays Nash's wife Alicia, who was born in El Salvador.

The List just goes on and on...

Ohfour · Hooker

Annie...
The story is about a red headed little white girl. The new Annie is black.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Wizard of Oz has been redone...twice, I think. I caught part of the latest one. It was good.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

Perry White (Laurence Fishburne) in Man of Steel (2013)

Catwoman (Eartha Kitt) in Batman (1966)

Heimdel (Idris Elba) in Thor (2011)

Harvey Dent (Billy Dee Williams) in Batman (1989)

Robert Neville (Will Smith) I am Legend (2007)

Catwoman (Halle Berry) in Catwoman (2004)

Alice 'Teeny' Fletcher (Queen Latifah) in Sphere (1998)

Ford Prefect (Mos Def) in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (2005)

Kingpin (Michael Clarke Duncan) in Daredevil (2003)

John "Ray" Arnold (Samuel L. Jackson) in Jurassic Park (1993)

James West (Will Smith) in Wild Wild West (1999)

Alicia Masters (Kerry Washington) in Fantastic Four (2005)

All were written as white, but black actors played them...

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

So where do you get these actors?

Is there an abundance of inuit actors? Asian/Hawaiian actors?

And are they any good?

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Wizard of Oz has been redone...twice, I think. I caught part of the latest one. It was good.

flan

The Wiz...with black actors in all the main roles...

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

And Steal Magnolias was redone with black actors.

And it was awful, by the way.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
So where do you get these actors?

Is there an abundance of inuit actors? Asian/Hawaiian actors?

And are they any good?

The issue is they are not even offered a chance to audition. If you read the casting calls they don't get the chance. I think the best actor should get a role, but they should be given a chance to audition.

Ohfour · Hooker

Bonny22Pye wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
So where do you get these actors?

Is there an abundance of inuit actors? Asian/Hawaiian actors?

And are they any good?

The issue is they are not even offered a chance to audition. If you read the casting calls they don't get the chance. I think the best actor should get a role, but they should be given a chance to audition.

If a part is written for a middle age, over weight, white man, then that's what the role calls for. Will Smith needs not show up...

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Ok. So there are readily available multiracial actors to fit the rolls?

FNW · Guru

And don't get me started on the most recent revision of Grease where they replaced several characters with black actors.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

FNW wrote:
And don't get me started on the most recent revision of Grease where they replaced several characters with black actors.

I never liked the original, so I didn't watch it.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
FNW wrote:
And don't get me started on the most recent revision of Grease where they replaced several characters with black actors.
I never liked the original, so I didn't watch it.
flan

Seriously, I have never heard one person say that. Ever. My daughter used a line from the movie as he Senior quote. My mother watches it when it is on. Even G, (who SWORE he would never watch it) liked it when I made him watch it. What about it didn't you like?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I saw that. Well. The first hour of it. Didn't care for the remake.

But yeah, they did put black people in white rolls.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
FNW wrote:
And don't get me started on the most recent revision of Grease where they replaced several characters with black actors.
I never liked the original, so I didn't watch it.
flan
Seriously, I have never heard one person say that. Ever. My daughter used a line from the movie as he Senior quote. My mother watches it when it is on. Even G, (who SWORE he would never watch it) liked it when I made him watch it. What about it didn't you like?

From the few clips I've seen, I have no desire to watch it...so I guess my answer would be: the vibe, the setting & the actors.

flan

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

I loved the original Grease when I was a kid. I saw it in the theater maybe a dozen times. I recorded the new live version but got through maybe 45 minutes. I saved it on my DVR for a bit & then deleted it to make space for other stuff.

Cheerios4606 · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
I haven't watched any of the awards shows in years.

But this has to be the most screwed up crap ever.

It's a can't win situation no matter what.

If none of the performances by black actors were good enough to be nominated, well that's on them.

Fight for better parts. Perform better.

And didn't 12 Years a Slave pretty much dominate the awards last year?

This times 10.

I didnt watch the oscars tho. My walking dead and talking dead were on. I DID watch the last 10 minutes tho. ;)

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I hear Leo finally got a golden statue.

weltschmerz · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Nothing is safe anymore from liberals pushing their agendas. You can't have a moment's peace or fun without them injecting their liberal crap into literally every damn thing.

Does that include Lady Gaga, or does your idol get a pass because you worship the ground she walks on?

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/feb/29/lady-gaga-performs-with-survivors-of-sexual-assault-oscars-2016-joe-biden

Cheerios4606 · Guru

um, I am no lady gaga lover, but I dont the comparison between a song about surviving sexual assault and the crying over not getting an award for participating in movies.

?

Ohfour · Hooker

Cheerios4606 wrote:
um, I am no lady gaga lover, but I dont the comparison between a song about surviving sexual assault and the crying over not getting an award for participating in movies.

?

There is no comparison. It was an ignorant comment.

weltschmerz · Guru

Cheerios4606 wrote:
um, I am no lady gaga lover, but I dont the comparison between a song about surviving sexual assault and the crying over not getting an award for participating in movies.

?

"Oh, and sexual assaults, let's not forget that! Oh, and raising money for the Girl Scouts! "

Seems like LGS lumped the sexual assaults with all the other "liberal crap".

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Cheerios4606 wrote:
um, I am no lady gaga lover, but I dont the comparison between a song about surviving sexual assault and the crying over not getting an award for participating in movies.

?
"Oh, and sexual assaults, let's not forget that! Oh, and raising money for the Girl Scouts! "
Seems like LGS lumped the sexual assaults with all the other "liberal crap".

She was referencing Chris Rock's crude "joke" about rape and grandmothers hanging from trees...

Ohfour · Hooker

Although it WAS funny when he slammed Jada Pinkett Smith. You know she was furious...LOL!

FNW · Guru

Lexxy wrote:
I loved the original Grease when I was a kid. I saw it in the theater maybe a dozen times. I recorded the new live version but got through maybe 45 minutes. I saved it on my DVR for a bit & then deleted it to make space for other stuff.

It was supposed to take place in the 1950's. Segregation was still a thing. There were maybe one or two, if any, blacks in white schools. Like it or not, this was our country's history. To include them as main roles was another attempt to erase history and took away from the authenticity of the original show, and original period, IMO. Yeah, yeah, they were trying to modernize it. Then don't have it take place in the 1950's. Use today's hairstyles and fashion. Change the music. While the remake was entertaining, it wasn't Grease. That's what I had a problem with. I did think Julianne was a cute Sandy and that girl who played Rizzo did a great job, especially considering. Since DH forgot to record it, I only saw bits and pieces, however.

-- Edited by FNW on Monday 29th of February 2016 03:56:25 PM

Cheerios4606 · Guru

I wasnt going to watch it but wound up not only watching it but enjoying it. It was a live broadcast, so it had a very "broadway play" about it.

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
So where do you get these actors?

Is there an abundance of inuit actors? Asian/Hawaiian actors?

And are they any good?

Yes,.

They have their own television network.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Nothing is safe anymore from liberals pushing their agendas. You can't have a moment's peace or fun without them injecting their liberal crap into literally every damn thing.
Does that include Lady Gaga, or does your idol get a pass because you worship the ground she walks on?
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/feb/29/lady-gaga-performs-with-survivors-of-sexual-assault-oscars-2016-joe-biden

Why are you quoting me? I thought you wanted me to leave you alone? But yeah i dont wanna listen to celebs preaching at me. i dont take my politics from celebs.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Oh barf. Leo fly around on your private jet and wah about global warming. Puke.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
FNW wrote:
And don't get me started on the most recent revision of Grease where they replaced several characters with black actors.
I never liked the original, so I didn't watch it.
flan
Seriously, I have never heard one person say that. Ever. My daughter used a line from the movie as he Senior quote. My mother watches it when it is on. Even G, (who SWORE he would never watch it) liked it when I made him watch it. What about it didn't you like?

Now you have heard two people say it. I can't stand Grease the play nor can I stand Grease the movie. I hate the songs and the plot and pretty much everything about it. I have always hated it. I was the only girl in show choir who groaned when we found out we were doing Grease for our spring musical in high school. Sorry. No offense to those who like it. It just triggers my gag reflex.