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In order to defeat Donald Trump,  The Weekly Standard’s Bill Kristol admits he is prepared to hand Hillary Clinton the Oval Office. On Wednesday’s “Morning Joe,” the Republican Establishment leader laid out his plot to deprive Trump of the 50% of delegates necessary to secure the nomination. From there, the idea is to go into a brokered convention and cut a kamikaze deal that awards enough delegates to an “acceptable” candidate (who will have won far fewer votes, states, and delegates than Trump).

The problem with the Establishment brokering a behind-closed-door deal that hands the nomination to a 

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)
 
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, is that the backlash against the Republican Party is almost certain to hand Hillary Clinton the presidency.

 

If a bunch of rich, angry GOP elites rob Trump supporters of their victory, the blowback will result in so many voters staying home in November, Hillary wins. As NBC’s Chuck Todd pointed out last night, at this point the delegate math is such that the only way to stop Trump is through this scheme at the convention.

As you’ll see below, that outcome is preferable to Kristol, and by extension it is safe to assume that outcome is also fine with the rest of the Republican Establishment.

JOE SCARBOROUGH: The fact of the matter is that you know there is no historical precedent with someone doing as well as Candidate Trump did yesterday — winning New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada, [losing the nomination] has never happened before, and as you know there is a momentum, a forward progress–

BILL KRISTOL: Right, so we have to stop the momentum, I totally agree.

SCARBOROUGH: So that’s my question. There’s no cheering here. I am looking at facts.

KRISTOL: To your credit, you have correctly seen that this was not going to be the historically normal year, and it’s not, so maybe we go–

SCARBOROUGH: So how do you beat him?

KRISTOL: You have to beat him in Florida and Ohio, the first two winner-take-all states, which means there has to be a de facto agreement between the opposition candidates — between the resistance to Trump, which I am proud to be a part of, because I think he’d be a terrible nominee and a terrible president…

SCARBOROUGH: You have the authority to broker that deal right now?

KRISTOL: Well, they need to. They need to defer to Rubio in Florida and probably to Kasich in Ohio, and say, or imply, that if you are a Cruz voter in Ohio, and if you look up the day before the primary and it’s Trump 42%, Kasich 35% — vote for Kasich. And the truth is if Trump doesn’t win Florida and Ohio, it remains very much of an open race. …

Donald Trump [so far] has 35% of the popular vote and 47% of the delegates. That’s a lot better than having 24% of the popular vote and 25% of the delegates, granted. …

JOHN HEILEMANN: Just to go a little further on this topic of what Bill’s advocating: As you talk more and more to Republicans, who will say to you privately and sometimes publicly, that they would rather vote for Hillary Clinton than for Donald Trump, [these are the] people who are going to try to stop him — their attitude is: We know that would happen at a contested convention if we took the nomination away from a Donald Trump [who has won through] a plurality of delegates.

What would happen is that we would likely alienate his supporters and we would likely lose the presidential election. But their position is that it would be better for us to lose the [general] election than to have Donald Trump tear the Party in half as the nominee.

Now you can say that’s suicidal, but that is the posture of people [worried] about the negative effects down ballot.

KRISTOL: And [Trump] would still lose the election. And shouldn’t win the election, So, yeah, I agree.

This is a good time to ask where this scorch-earthed mentality was when America needed it most to stop Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012.



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Keep on Repo traitors if you wish to commit political suicide. We are all paying very close attention.

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Boys, people are tired of the same old, same old. As much as I'd prefer a different candidate, if Trump wins, it is because that is what the majority of people want. Suck it up and realize that you need to change.

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And, nobody is saying Trump is Ideal. He isn't. But, if the only thing he does is address some of these trade issues and jump start the economy, that is a hell of a lot more than the rest of them can or would do.

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So my take is the leads of both parties are showing their true colors as in keeping their cushy jobs safe so they can continue to "rule". Both parties are imploding, one will significantly weaken this election followed closely by the other. Then we can get busy rebuilding our political system.

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So my take is the leads of both parties are showing their true colors as in keeping their cushy jobs safe so they can continue to "rule". Both parties are imploding, one will significantly weaken this election followed closely by the other. Then we can get busy rebuilding our political system.

 This is a great time for America!  Breaking the stranglehold of the Ruling Political class.  You should all be welcoming this!  



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I have one great uncle who is actually pretty liberal (he married in)--and he's voting Trump.

I have another one who is very conservative--and he's voting Trump.

People are tired of the "establishment". The Republicans better wrap their pea brains around the fact that "their guy"--be it Kasich or Rubio--is not going to be the nominee, and if they broker some deal, they are guaranteed to lose the White House, and many Republicans at that point WILL NOT CARE about that, anymore.

I think if they pull some shenanigans at the convention, Trump WILL then run as a third party candidate. Even if he doesn't, I agree with the analysis that many voters will stay home and Hilary will get the White House.

If the Repugs really want someone besides Trump--then they need to get Rubio and Kasich to drop out NOW--before Ohio and Florida vote, and get behind Cruz. Cruz was spot on in his speech after Super Tuesday. He's the only candidate with even a ghost of a chance of beating Trump, but he can't do it if those other guys are in there splitting the votes.

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I actually don't mind Kasich, he seems a bit more moderate than some.

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Trump is uniting the biggest variety of voters. The GOP is always whining about the big tent. Well here is your guy. I have Dem friends who are gonna vote for him.


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huskerbb wrote:

I have one great uncle who is actually pretty liberal (he married in)--and he's voting Trump.

I have another one who is very conservative--and he's voting Trump.

People are tired of the "establishment". The Republicans better wrap their pea brains around the fact that "their guy"--be it Kasich or Rubio--is not going to be the nominee, and if they broker some deal, they are guaranteed to lose the White House, and many Republicans at that point WILL NOT CARE about that, anymore.

I think if they pull some shenanigans at the convention, Trump WILL then run as a third party candidate. Even if he doesn't, I agree with the analysis that many voters will stay home and Hilary will get the White House.

If the Repugs really want someone besides Trump--then they need to get Rubio and Kasich to drop out NOW--before Ohio and Florida vote, and get behind Cruz. Cruz was spot on in his speech after Super Tuesday. He's the only candidate with even a ghost of a chance of beating Trump, but he can't do it if those other guys are in there splitting the votes.

 Can I just say how much I love this disclaimer????

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I love the disclaimer as well.



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Me, too. I laughed when I saw it.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

Trump is uniting the biggest variety of voters. The GOP is always whining about the big tent. Well here is your guy. I have Dem friends who are gonna vote for him.

 And that is the amazing part, he is bringing a lot of Repubs and Dems together to fight for the same thing; to rid ourselves of the current way politics and the country are running.



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Lawyerlady wrote:

Me, too. I laughed when I saw it.

 Yep!



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