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Hillary Clinton doesn’t get my vote just because she’s a woman

March 6, 2016 By Amanda Fiscina   amanda.fiscina@newsday.com

Democratic presidential hopeful and former U.S. Secretary of Democratic presidential hopeful and former U.S. Secretary of the State Hillary Clinton speaks during the Democratic Party of Virginia Jefferson-Jackson dinner June 26, 2015 at George Mason University's Patriot Center in Fairfax, Virginia. (Credit: Getty Images / Alex Wong)

To the boomer women who profoundly shaped our lives:

I first got scolded by one you on my second birthday, when my glass-ceiling shattering, bank vice president aunt carried in an easel box twice my size. Words on the box warned “assembly required.”

“But we have to wait for Daddy to get home to put it together,” I mumbled, disappointed.

 

“Oh, no we don’t,” my aunt self-assuredly replied before putting it together.

That was my first lesson in gender politics. Since then, like other female millennials, I have subconsciously taken for granted everything boomer feminists have helped build for us. We play any sport we want because of Title IX. We can vote and fight in the military. We go to great coed colleges, work in previously male-dominated professions and control our finances. We do so without seemingly considering these privileges weren’t always available to our gender.

Now, at 28, I’m scolded by my aunt (and others of your cohort I respect, like Madeleine Albright and Gloria Steinem) for my generation’s apparent lackluster view of Hillary Clinton’s presidential bid.

Many of us want to be more excited about a potential first female president. Hear us out.

We’re not the united force you were at our age and still are. The sexist obstacles you faced in life, education and careers cemented your politics. The absence of this crusade makes our views less in sync.

Half of millennials are political independents, according to Pew Research Center. Scroll down our Facebook feeds and you’ll see a college acquaintance who wants to “Make America great again,” a co-worker preaching, “I’m with her,” and a chunk of our peers not chiming in at all.

You judge us for not caring enough that there are far fewer female chief executives, when we’re worried about keeping our entry- to midlevel jobs. You want us to “lean in” and stand up for more equal pay, when we’re worried about how to pay off crippling college debt. You revel in the fact that women can be breadwinners, when we can’t see a future in which our spouses and we won’t have to work full time to stay afloat.

While you take our lack of enthusiasm personally, this in some ways has nothing to do with Clinton but with our disappointment in the establishment politics and how disconnected it is from our reality. Conservative female millennials (yes, they exist) weren’t excited about Carly Fiorina’s campaign, either.

Many of us feel guilty for feeling this way, summed up well in this Onion headline: “Female presidential candidate who was United States Senator, Secretary of State told to be more inspiring by millennials.”

Ouch. Obviously, Clinton’s ascent is an inspiration. But maybe it’s a clue that even with that incredible resume, she still has to resort to emoji tweets, Snapchats and Lena Dunham endorsements to get our attention. There’s a gap between our female generations, and Clinton has not bridged it. See, it comes back to what you built for us. With your actions, you’ve given us choice. Because of you, we can choose to play sports or to duck behind the boys in gym class volleyball. We can choose to be chief executives or work-from-home moms. And we can choose to vote for Clinton in November, or not.

I recently bought shelves for my apartment; they came in a box just as big as that easel 26 years ago. I have no doubt I can put them together and hang them, but I still had my dad do it (measuring requires patience I don’t have).

Just because we can doesn’t mean we choose to. Right?

Sincerely,

The daughters, nieces and employees you helped us be.

Amanda Fiscina is a Web producer for Newsday Opinion.

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I, for one, do not want that horrid woman to be the one in the history books as the first female president. How absolutely dreadful for all womankind.

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I, for one, do not want that horrid woman to be the one in the history books as the first female president. How absolutely dreadful for all womankind.

  I agree,  she used her connections to her husband to rise to where she is now.... If she wasn't married to bill and him being president would she be where she is?   What really has she done that was worth while to be senator much less president.  The fact that she used her personal computer for top security information shows bad judgement if anything else.



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I said the same thing about Obama.

And the same ones that voted him in, will vote her in.



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I vote for O4 for the first Woman President.

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We have a family friend that is voting for her because she is a woman. Regardless of the countering points of the fact that she has proven to be a liar about EVERYthing, they are still voting for her cuz she is a woman.

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

I vote for O4 for the first Woman President.

Thank you!!!  I would definitely make some changes! 



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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

I vote for O4 for the first Woman President.

Thank you!!!  I would definitely make some changes! 

Talk about a kakistocracy! 



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weltschmerz wrote:
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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

I vote for O4 for the first Woman President.

Thank you!!!  I would definitely make some changes! 

Talk about a kakistocracy! 

To the ignorant and immoral... 



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weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

I vote for O4 for the first Woman President.

Thank you!!!  I would definitely make some changes! 

Talk about a kakistocracy! 

To the ignorant and immoral... 

A high school drop out shouldn't be POTUS. 

Especially a high school dropout who sees fit to judge who is immoral and who isn't. 



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weltschmerz wrote:
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weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

I vote for O4 for the first Woman President.

Thank you!!!  I would definitely make some changes! 

Talk about a kakistocracy! 

To the ignorant and immoral... 

A high school drop out shouldn't be POTUS. 

Especially a high school dropout who sees fit to judge who is immoral and who isn't. 

Well, luckily for us, you don't get a say.  Just a puffing of feathers and comments that no one cares about.  But continue on... 



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Thank you for your permission.

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Wow.

Such an amazing insult coming from someone who supposedly has a degree in psychology.

Tell me Weltz, did you miss the online class on negativity and how it affects the person?

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I spoke my mind. Sorry you have a problem with it.
I think she's make a lousy POTUS.
I'm not going to pretend otherwise.

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No.

You attacked.

You could have not said something nasty, but you did.



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Seeing how she's not really running it was just a way for you to be snarky.

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Yeah, I'm sure that if I said I'd make a great POTUS, I'd get nothing but positive reinforcement and backslapping "Atta girls!!"from this crowd.
Lol!

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Probably not but don't pretend you thought Ohfour was really running so THAT'S why you chimed in.

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Of course I didn't think she was really running!
That being said, if this pro-choice, "socialist" atheist said she was running, would the comments be positive? Not on your life!
Even if I'm not really running.

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Aww.... now you're the victim.

Poor thing.


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Oh, for Christ's sake!!
"Heads I win, tails you lose."

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A high school drop out shouldn't be POTUS.
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Neither should someone that's proven that she can't make good decisions regarding national security and has proven that she's a liar.

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weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
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I vote for O4 for the first Woman President.

Thank you!!!  I would definitely make some changes! 

Talk about a kakistocracy! 

To the ignorant and immoral... 

A high school drop out shouldn't be POTUS. 

Especially a high school dropout who sees fit to judge who is immoral and who isn't. 

 Oh, talk about taking things from other threads to bring in.  Uh huh.    You whine about it when someone does it to you.  Yeah, she didn't take AP classes, we get it.  confuse



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Wow.

Such an amazing insult coming from someone who supposedly has a degree in psychology.

Tell me Weltz, did you miss the online class on negativity and how it affects the person?

  For some reason, i thought that having a degree in Pyschology made one a Pyschologist.  It's all so confusing.



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Actually, our country is supposed to be built on citizen govt, not a bunch of eggheaded academic elites. I think our history is replete with a lot of HS dropouts who have been great successes and changed our world for the better.

Thomas Edison, Bill Gates, Ben Franklin, John D. Rockefeller, Walt Disney, Charles Dickens, Elton John, Ray Kroc, etc.

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The Dem party are the ones who are OBSESSED with sex, race, and on and on. Obama is BLACK. Hey everyone Obama is BLACK! Hillary is a WOMAN! Hey everyone Hillary is a WOMAN! Dems play group politics 24/7. And of course being opposed to their policies by default means you "hate" them because they are black or a female or whatever. Wah, wah, wah.

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Wow.

Such an amazing insult coming from someone who supposedly has a degree in psychology.

Tell me Weltz, did you miss the online class on negativity and how it affects the person?

  For some reason, i thought that having a degree in Pyschology made one a Pyschologist.  It's all so confusing.

 Uhhhh.....NO. 



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Well, isn't the entire point of getting a degree in something to actually use that degree and be that type of professional? I mean, if you go to Nursing school, you become a Nurse. You get a degree in accounting to be an accountant. You go to law school to be a lawyer, etc .

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Well, isn't the entire point of getting a degree in something to actually use that degree and be that type of professional? I mean, if you go to Nursing school, you become a Nurse. You get a degree in accounting to be an accountant. You go to law school to be a lawyer, etc .

 Law school is a professional doctorate degree.  My first degrees from college were in History and Political Science. 



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Well, isn't the entire point of getting a degree in something to actually use that degree and be that type of professional? I mean, if you go to Nursing school, you become a Nurse. You get a degree in accounting to be an accountant. You go to law school to be a lawyer, etc .

 Law school is a professional doctorate degree.  My first degrees from college were in History and Political Science. 

 Ok, but you needed a degree prior to getting the degree you were seeking not as end unto itself.



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Well, isn't the entire point of getting a degree in something to actually use that degree and be that type of professional? I mean, if you go to Nursing school, you become a Nurse. You get a degree in accounting to be an accountant. You go to law school to be a lawyer, etc .

 Law school is a professional doctorate degree.  My first degrees from college were in History and Political Science. 

 Ok, but you needed a degree prior to getting the degree you were seeking not as end unto itself.

 Yes, but had I decided not to go to law school, I would likely not have become a historian. 

Psychology is just another liberal arts degree.  Something to major in so they have something to put on your degree.



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Well, isn't the entire point of getting a degree in something to actually use that degree and be that type of professional? I mean, if you go to Nursing school, you become a Nurse. You get a degree in accounting to be an accountant. You go to law school to be a lawyer, etc .

 Law school is a professional doctorate degree.  My first degrees from college were in History and Political Science. 

 Ok, but you needed a degree prior to getting the degree you were seeking not as end unto itself.

 Yes, but had I decided not to go to law school, I would likely not have become a historian. 

Psychology is just another liberal arts degree.  Something to major in so they have something to put on your degree.

   You decided not to become a historian, but with your degree you could have.  I mean, I understand doing undergrad as means to get into Law school, medical school or moving to the a higher degree.    My kids are going to college to pursue a degree to become what they are pursuing.  I sure as heck woudln't be paying for a degree that they don't intend to use. I mean you can get a degree in anything, but if you aren't going to use it, that is a lot of time and expense that most people can't afford.



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Well, isn't the entire point of getting a degree in something to actually use that degree and be that type of professional? I mean, if you go to Nursing school, you become a Nurse. You get a degree in accounting to be an accountant. You go to law school to be a lawyer, etc .

 Law school is a professional doctorate degree.  My first degrees from college were in History and Political Science. 

 Ok, but you needed a degree prior to getting the degree you were seeking not as end unto itself.

 Yes, but had I decided not to go to law school, I would likely not have become a historian. 

Psychology is just another liberal arts degree.  Something to major in so they have something to put on your degree.

   You decided not to become a historian, but with your degree you could have.  I mean, I understand doing undergrad as means to get into Law school, medical school or moving to the a higher degree.    My kids are going to college to pursue a degree to become what they are pursuing.  I sure as heck woudln't be paying for a degree that they don't intend to use. I mean you can get a degree in anything, but if you aren't going to use it, that is a lot of time and expense that most people can't afford.

 But that's what a liberal arts degree is - just a degree to show you went to college.  Which is really all you need for a lot of jobs, or to move up the chain in a job.  They will train you what you need to know. 

I mean, really, what is an art history major going to do?  There are only so many art gallery and museum jobs, and those don't pay well.

 

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Yes. But if you are going to all that time and expense, i guess i don't understand why someone would want a degree to just have a degree. I mean, why not focus on your the thing you want to do? I mean, I am sending my kids to college with a plan in place to seek a degree that they intend to use. If they want to go into business, then get a degree in Business. If healthcare, then get a degree in healthcare, accounting, etc.

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Yes. But if you are going to all that time and expense, i guess i don't understand why someone would want a degree to just have a degree. I mean, why not focus on your the thing you want to do? I mean, I am sending my kids to college with a plan in place to seek a degree that they intend to use. If they want to go into business, then get a degree in Business. If healthcare, then get a degree in healthcare, accounting, etc.

 A lot of college kids have no real idea what they want to do so they just study what interests them. 



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No.

You attacked.

You could have not said something nasty, but you did.

 Just because some of us refuse to join the lovefest...

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Oh, for Christ's sake!!
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 Welcome to my world.

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Oh look. Another victim. You dish it out flan so you really should learn to take it better.

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Yes. But if you are going to all that time and expense, i guess i don't understand why someone would want a degree to just have a degree. I mean, why not focus on your the thing you want to do? I mean, I am sending my kids to college with a plan in place to seek a degree that they intend to use. If they want to go into business, then get a degree in Business. If healthcare, then get a degree in healthcare, accounting, etc.

 A lot of college kids have no real idea what they want to do so they just study what interests them. 

Because lots of jobs require a degree.  Our standard line for job postings is:

Bachleors degree required.

Knowledge of entertainment industry a plus .

 

We don't really care what your degree is in as long as you have one.  And 90% of the people here do not work in the field in which they earned their degree...



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Yes. But if you are going to all that time and expense, i guess i don't understand why someone would want a degree to just have a degree. I mean, why not focus on your the thing you want to do? I mean, I am sending my kids to college with a plan in place to seek a degree that they intend to use. If they want to go into business, then get a degree in Business. If healthcare, then get a degree in healthcare, accounting, etc.

 A lot of college kids have no real idea what they want to do so they just study what interests them. 

Because lots of jobs require a degree.  Our standard line for job postings is:

Bachleors degree required.

Knowledge of entertainment industry a plus .

 

We don't really care what your degree is in as long as you have one.  And 90% of the people here do not work in the field in which they earned their degree...

 A lot of jobs don't require a specialized degree. They just want to know you went to college and finished. 



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Wow.

Such an amazing insult coming from someone who supposedly has a degree in psychology.

Tell me Weltz, did you miss the online class on negativity and how it affects the person?

  For some reason, i thought that having a degree in Pyschology made one a Pyschologist.  It's all so confusing.

You thought wrong. 



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Exactly. A person with a psychology agree is no more qualified to give psychological advice than a person with an art history or political science degree.

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Exactly. A person with a psychology agree is no more qualified to give psychological advice than a person with an art history or political science degree.

 Then what ARE they qualified for? You make no sense.

Is it an undergrad degree? What education do you think a therapist has? It's not an art history degree.

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The Dem party are the ones who are OBSESSED with sex, race, and on and on. Obama is BLACK. Hey everyone Obama is BLACK! Hillary is a WOMAN! Hey everyone Hillary is a WOMAN! Dems play group politics 24/7. And of course being opposed to their policies by default means you "hate" them because they are black or a female or whatever. Wah, wah, wah.

 off the subject a bit

but the bolded just gets MY goat.  HE IS NOT our first Black President! HE IS our first bi-racial President.  not that that is a big difference I suppose.  but IMHO if it in any way benefitted him, he would play down the black father and STRESS the white mother.   Just all games...childish games.  STICK to the true matters and issues, and get of the RACE and SEX train....it needs to be derailed NOW~  Run and win on your own merits and beliefs....not the color of your skin or the fact you may have a vagina!  grrrrr



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Exactly. A person with a psychology agree is no more qualified to give psychological advice than a person with an art history or political science degree.

 Then what ARE they qualified for? You make no sense.

Is it an undergrad degree? What education do you think a therapist has? It's not an art history degree.

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 Well, you tell me.  What does a pyschology degree qualify you?



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Wow.

Such an amazing insult coming from someone who supposedly has a degree in psychology.

Tell me Weltz, did you miss the online class on negativity and how it affects the person?

  For some reason, i thought that having a degree in Pyschology made one a Pyschologist.  It's all so confusing.

You thought wrong. 

 Then stop touting your "expert" credentials that you don't have.



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Yes. But if you are going to all that time and expense, i guess i don't understand why someone would want a degree to just have a degree. I mean, why not focus on your the thing you want to do? I mean, I am sending my kids to college with a plan in place to seek a degree that they intend to use. If they want to go into business, then get a degree in Business. If healthcare, then get a degree in healthcare, accounting, etc.

 A lot of college kids have no real idea what they want to do so they just study what interests them. 

   That's fine.  But, they ain't doing that on my dime!  You can either pick something and make it work, or go "find yourself" for awhile working at Burger King.



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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
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Lawyerlady wrote:

Exactly. A person with a psychology agree is no more qualified to give psychological advice than a person with an art history or political science degree.

 Then what ARE they qualified for? You make no sense.

Is it an undergrad degree? What education do you think a therapist has? It's not an art history degree.

flan

 Well, you tell me.  What does a pyschology degree qualify you?

 Kind of self-evident, I would think.

I have an MLS. Guess where I work?

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