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8 Things to Do When Your Adult Children Make Bad Choices

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Don’t Bite Your Tongue

Your grown child is spending money that he/she should be saving…making questionable career choices…or marrying the wrong person. What do you do?

Many parents think their best option is to say nothing when they disagree with their adult children’s choices. Adult children are, after all, adults who have a right to live their own lives. And speaking up could sour the parent-child relationship.

But the “bite your tongue” approach to parenting adult children is doomed to fail. Saying nothing increases the odds that your child will make poor decisions. It means that you must live with the knowledge that you did nothing to help. And it might not even protect your relationship with the child—adult children usually can deduce from their parents’ tone and body language that they are not happy with a choice even when their parents don’t say so.

 

The secret to maintaining family harmony when you disagree with your adult child is to say something but say it in a way that minimizes ruffled feathers. Here’s an eight-step plan for doing that…

1. Seek a neutral party’s opinion. Before you confront your child, ask a friend or acquaintance whether your concerns are truly justified. Select someone who has experience with the topic—your financial planner if it’s a money matter, perhaps…or a level-headed member of your child’s generation if you suspect that your concerns might stem from a generational divide.

Example: A mother was upset that her 20-something son was dating a woman who had several tattoos. When this mother spoke with a coworker who was also in her 20s, she learned that “body art” is extremely popular with today’s young adults—even among ­respectable, responsible women.

 

Whomever you consult, make it clear that you are after honest input. If you fail to spell this out, your “consultant” might take your side out of solidarity even if he/she disagrees. You might want to check in with more than one consultant before talking with your child.

2. Find a private, low-stress moment to raise concerns. When you choose to speak up can matter nearly as much as what you say. The best time for this conversation is whenever your child tends to be most relaxed.

Examples: If your child has young children, the best moment might be when the kids are napping or at school. If he has a high-stress job, it might be on the weekend. If he always seems busy, ask him when he has time for a phone call or a cup of coffee.

Do not voice your concerns in front of other people—that only increases the odds that your child will become defensive. If you and your spouse both take issue with the child’s decision, the parent with whom the child historically has had an easier time discussing difficult topics is the one who should have this conversation.

It is acceptable for both parents to take part if both feel very strongly about the matter and both get along well with the child. But you don’t want your child to feel ganged up on. One way to avoid that is for you and your spouse to be frank about the slightly different views you both most likely have.

3. Open your discussion with curiosity. If you begin this conversation by blurting out your opinion, you and your child will immediately be at odds. Instead, you could begin with, “I’ve been wondering about…” and ask questions that allow your child to calmly explain his thinking. You might find that your opinion will change. These questions should sound curious, not judgmental—they must not be thinly veiled attempts to express displeasure.

Examples: You disagree with your daughter’s decision to “co-sleep” with your grandchild (allowing the youngster to share her parents’ bed). Your questions should express curiosity about co-sleeping, such as, “That wasn’t something we did. What are the advantages?” Your questions must not have an obvious negative tone, as in, “Why would anyone do such a thing?”

4. Cite your own mistakes or shortcomings. You might imagine that presenting yourself as an expert on a topic would encourage your child to heed your guidance. In fact, the opposite is more likely to be true. Adult children desperately want their parents’ respect. If the tone of this conversation leans toward, “I’m your parent and I know better,” the child likely will feel disrespected and tune out your advice. The child is more likely to listen to what you have to say if you instead mention a related topic that you struggle with…or reveal an occasion when you made a mistake in this area. This sends the message that you respect the child as an equal.

Example: “When your mother and I bought our first house, we did exactly what you’re thinking about doing—we stretched our budget. For the next few years, we spent a lot of nights lying awake worrying whether we could pay the mortgage. In retrospect, I wish we had bought something less expensive.”

5. Compliment the child, then blame your concerns on your own shortcomings. This makes it less likely that the child will become defensive. Say that you know the child is intelligent…or cite a smart decision he made in the past. Then ask the child to discuss the decision to reduce your anxieties…or to help you understand a topic you struggle with.

Example: “I know you’re right a lot more often than you’re wrong, so I’m sure you’ve thought this through. But for my peace of mind, I was hoping we could talk about your plan for quitting your job and starting your own company. You know how I worry.”

6. Offer your advice if you feel it has value. But don’t expect your child to follow that advice—and don’t hold it against her if she doesn’t want to.

Example: “This is just my opinion, but I don’t think you should let your husband make fun of you like that. In my experience, jokes at a spouse’s expense lead to escalating disrespect. But I also know that there’s no way I can fully understand someone else’s relationship, so maybe I’m misreading the situation. Now that I’ve said my piece, I won’t mention it again.”

7. Suggest that the child speak with a third party. Many adult children find it psychologically easier to take advice from someone other than a parent.

Example: “I’m no financial expert, but your cousin Tom is a financial planner. Why don’t you call him before you take such a major step?”

8. If the conversation goes poorly, apologize—even if you don’t think you were wrong. You could say, “I’m sorry I upset you.” You’re the parent, and sometimes the parent has to set his feelings aside for the sake of the family.

If you cannot bring yourself to actually say, “I’m sorry,” send a small gift instead. Choose something your child is likely to truly appreciate, such as a gift certificate to his favorite restaurant or coffee shop. Add a little note such as, “This is a peace offering. I love you and do not want this to come between us.



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Adult children. Butt out.  You raised them for x amount of years; if they cannot make good choices by now it is a little late to worry about it.



-- Edited by karl271 on Monday 14th of March 2016 01:07:44 AM

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Nobody wants to see their adult child going down the wrong path. However, i would step up and say "I think you are going down the wrong path and here's why and here is what is likely going to be the consequence". After you have said your peace, there really isn't anything to do about what they choose to do as adults.

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Adult children. Butt out.  You raised them for x amount of years; if they cannot make good choices by now it is a little late to worry about it.



-- Edited by karl271 on Monday 14th of March 2016 01:07:44 AM


 No way.  If your child is using meth you would not try to intervene?  

 

Maybe be at the end of the day there isn't much you can truly do, but you don't stop being a parent when they turn 18.



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Nobody wants to see their adult child going down the wrong path. However, i would step up and say "I think you are going down the wrong path and here's why and here is what is likely going to be the consequence". After you have said your peace, there really isn't anything to do about what they choose to do as adults.


  I agree with this. 



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Yes, treat your child like you would any other adult. If a close friend is having trouble, I'm not going to ignore it.

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Adult children. Butt out.  You raised them for x amount of years; if they cannot make good choices by now it is a little late to worry about it.



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 No way.  If your child is using meth you would not try to intervene?  

 

Maybe be at the end of the day there isn't much you can truly do, but you don't stop being a parent when they turn 18.


 I would see it as a failure in the way I parented the child from when he was young.   Cannot think of anything I could say or do after the child became an adult that would help or change it...   Would I be happy?   No, but nothing I can do now...



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Adult children. Butt out.  You raised them for x amount of years; if they cannot make good choices by now it is a little late to worry about it.



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 No way.  If your child is using meth you would not try to intervene?  

 

Maybe be at the end of the day there isn't much you can truly do, but you don't stop being a parent when they turn 18.


 I would see it as a failure in the way I parented the child from when he was young.   Cannot think of anything I could say or do after the child became an adult that would help or change it...   Would I be happy?   No, but nothing I can do now...


 Nothing????  

That is DUMB.  There may be  LOT you can do.  You can at least talk to them instead of saying "well, they can flush their life down the toilet" and walk away. 

You  must not have children. 



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Depends on what it is, and the history of mistakes they already have. There could come a time where walking away is the best choice. I'm not going to enable destructive behavior.

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Depends on what it is, and the history of mistakes they already have. There could come a time where walking away is the best choice. I'm not going to enable destructive behavior.


 You can suggest and you can offer advice. But when it comes down to it, the choices are theirs to make. 



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Depends on what it is, and the history of mistakes they already have. There could come a time where walking away is the best choice. I'm not going to enable destructive behavior.


 Trying to get them to change their behavior is not enabling it.

 

 



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Depends on what it is, and the history of mistakes they already have. There could come a time where walking away is the best choice. I'm not going to enable destructive behavior.


 Trying to get them to change their behavior is not enabling it.

 

 


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Depends what it is. If it was something like illegal drugs I would call the Police. Better to be in jail.

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The best advice I could give would be to let the adult children learn from their mistakes, so hopefully they won't make the same ones a second time.

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Depends on what it is, and the history of mistakes they already have. There could come a time where walking away is the best choice. I'm not going to enable destructive behavior.


 Trying to get them to change their behavior is not enabling it.

 

 


 Trying doesn't mean succeeding.  There's only so long you can try.


 No, it doesn't--but I would at least try.



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The best advice I could give would be to let the adult children learn from their mistakes, so hopefully they won't make the same ones a second time.


 Sure, anyone can learn from mistakes--although many do not.

however, if I'm about to make a grave mistake, I would hope a friend or a family member would care enough to at least try to talk me out of it.  Maybe I won't listen, but if mistakes can be avoided, that's a better option, especially since some mistakes are too costly to use as a learning tool--some are even fatal.

 

if my son wants to drink and drive should I let him "learn" from that mistake?  Risk not only his job, but possibly also his life? Or worse, someone else's life?  You would truly sit back, watch them drive off, and say well, I guess they'll learn.



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Depends on what it is, and the history of mistakes they already have. There could come a time where walking away is the best choice. I'm not going to enable destructive behavior.


 Trying to get them to change their behavior is not enabling it.

 

 


 Trying doesn't mean succeeding.  There's only so long you can try.


 No, it doesn't--but I would at least try.


 Most people would, husker.  But even if you try, that doesn't mean you can stop them from making mistakes, and there will come a time that they just need to face the consequences of their actions if they don't straighten up.  



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Well, I don't think you don't try. I think there is a difference between trying and enabling. Enabling is covering up behavior. Instead, if you love someone you want them to meet the consequences of their action sooner or later. You tell that person about to drive off, 'if you drive off, then i going to call the Police" to pick you up. If that is what needs to happen, then that is what needs to happen. There has to be a point where you drop real world consequences in their lap. If my adult children were using illegal drugs, I might not call the Police the first time it happened. But, if it then happened again, i would say, if you do that here i WILL call the Police and i absolutely would.

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Well, I don't think you don't try. I think there is a difference between trying and enabling. Enabling is covering up behavior. Instead, if you love someone you want them to meet the consequences of their action sooner or later. You tell that person about to drive off, 'if you drive off, then i going to call the Police" to pick you up. If that is what needs to happen, then that is what needs to happen. There has to be a point where you drop real world consequences in their lap. If my adult children were using illegal drugs, I might not call the Police the first time it happened. But, if it then happened again, i would say, if you do that here i WILL call the Police and i absolutely would.


 Like I said, you won't always succeed, but to throw up your hands and say, well, I guess I failed as a parent so theres nothing I can do now--pretty much means yiu ARE a failure as a parent.

 

You don't stop being a parent when your kids turn 18.  My mom will still give me advice when I need it.  



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Sure, anyone can learn from mistakes--although many do not.

however, if I'm about to make a grave mistake, I would hope a friend or a family member would care enough to at least try to talk me out of it. Maybe I won't listen, but if mistakes can be avoided, that's a better option, especially since some mistakes are too costly to use as a learning tool--some are even fatal.

if my son wants to drink and drive should I let him "learn" from that mistake? Risk not only his job, but possibly also his life? Or worse, someone else's life? You would truly sit back, watch them drive off, and say well, I guess they'll learn.
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My apologies, but I believe you misunderstood my answer. I was answering the question asked by the thread title: '8 Things to Do When Your Adult Children Make Bad Choices'. That sounded to me as if the choice were already made, and what to do after the fact.

If it's before the bad choice is made, then of course I would advocate proposing a different course of action, but that's not the tone I got from either the title or the OP

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Well, say they made the bad choice to drive drunk. They get away with it--which mostly happens.

Are you not going to say something before the next time?

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Well, say they made the bad choice to drive drunk. They get away with it--which mostly happens.

Are you not going to say something before the next time?
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I don't believe I said I would or wouldn't. I answered how I would handle them if they made a bad decision (I would 'let the adult children learn from their mistakes, so hopefully they won't make the same ones a second time'). Why are you deliberately trying to make a simple answer into something argument-worthy?

To answer your accusation though, yes I would say something. Getting a lecture from me would be part of the 'let the adult children learn' part of my answer, as would them having to deal with any punishments the law had for their infractions, had they been caught.

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Because some mistakes are fatal. That's not always the best way to learn.

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Did someone here suggest that it was?

I haven't said what I would do if they asked me beforehand (I would tell them why it's a bad idea and try and dissuade them). I only commented on how I would deal with the aftermath after they already made the decision and the bad judgment call had already been carried out.

What's with you trying to make this into an argument? Did you have a bad day at work or something?

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But not all decisions are not a one time event. Taking drugs occurs over and over. Standing back and saying "well, I guess they'll learn" is NOT a sane course of action.



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You are willfully choosing to misinterpret my comments. I'm not going to bother pointing out what 'let them learn from their mistakes' actually means to most people.

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Then by all means, clarify. Learn from your mistakes means the same thing to everyone.



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This is a quote from the article.

But the “bite your tongue” approach to parenting adult children is doomed to fail. Saying nothing increases the odds that your child will make poor decisions.

It is CLEARLY not just talking about decisions after the fact--but during the contemplation of the decision whether it be a bad financial investment, choice of mate, or whatever.

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Clarification shouldn't be necessary to someone as self-admittedly learned as you, huskerbb.

But in an effort to open your eyes, to most people it means not bailing them out when they call from jail, or not loaning them a car while the one they wrapped around a tree is in the shop. It means letting them reap the consequences of their actions and not making everything all-better, just because you can.

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Clarification shouldn't be necessary to someone as self-admittedly learned as you, huskerbb.

But in an effort to open your eyes, to most people it means not bailing them out when they call from jail, or not loaning them a car while the one they wrapped around a tree is in the shop. It means letting them reap the consequences of their actions and not making everything all-better, just because you can.


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There are also parents who can't ever step back as well. If your adult child chooses a spouse you don't like, then fine, you spoke your peace about them before they got married. If they then get married, you have to find a way to be pleasant and decent to the spouse you don't like. There are parents who push push push and want their adult children to be some versions of their own personal dreams as well and you have to give them the space to be who they are.

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There are also parents who can't ever step back as well. If your adult child chooses a spouse you don't like, then fine, you spoke your peace about them before they got married. If they then get married, you have to find a way to be pleasant and decent to the spouse you don't like. There are parents who push push push and want their adult children to be some versions of their own personal dreams as well and you have to give them the space to be who they are.


 Sure.  And sometimes the parents are wrong, too.



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I have an offspring that is 28 years old and continues to mess up. You know what tho, it is his life to lead, not mine. I always tell him he has a good head on his shoulders and I am sure he will work out whatever problems he has. That really is all I can do. Anything else really really is not my job.

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I am just beginning to learn how to parent adult children.

So far, it's been ok.

It's a balancing act for sure.

But I think if you lay the foundation properly from infancy, even if they do screw up, they eventually do just fine.

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I am quite an opinionated mother. I'm quite certain my children will be hearing my voice in their head forever, even when I'm not around. They will not have the excuse of not knowing what I think of something, that's for sure!

DD12 already sounds like me on a lot of subjects. Jojo will be a bit of a harder case. She's more stubborn already, I can tell.

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My kids will catch themselves saying something I've said or doing things I've done. They embrace it.

It's hard not always rushing to catch them when they stumble.

But you can't learn if you don't sometimes fall.

The important thing, in my opinion, is that know you have their back. That you love them enough to call them out when needed but you do it with love and not with an "I told you so". Attitude.

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I never hear my mother's voice.

She was okay with babies and young children. Other than that, not so much.

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My kids come to me a lot. They don't always do what I think they should, but they do listen and consider it.

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My kids come to me as well... and then they do the exact opposite of what I advise, then cry when things go to hell like I warned them. Thus the reason I normally resort to "you know what sweety, you have a good head on your shoulders. I am sure you will be able to figure this out."

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My kids come to me a lot. They don't always do what I think they should, but they do listen and consider it.


 I'm not surprised. Good for you.

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My kids come to me.

I listen.

I ask questions and listen some more.

I pose options and listen some more.

They tend to come to the right conclusion.

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And that's not at all what the article is talking about.
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I disagree. Did you read the same OP that I did? It may not be everything the article is about, but it's definitely included in what it's about.

From the OP:
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Your grown child is spending money that he/she should be saving…making questionable career choices…or marrying the wrong person. What do you do?
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The spending money one - The money is already gone. Now they suffer the consequences of not saving the money.

The questionable career choices one - they already have the bad job or quit the good job, whatever. Now they suffer the consequences of having the bad job or not having the good one anymore. Maybe now missing out on some benefits (like paid healthcare, 401k matches, et cetera) or better salary.

The marrying the wrong person one - Maybe that one can be dealt with, but maybe it's too late for your advice to be in any way meaningful.

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No, the money is not gone. It's not a one time thing. They earn and spend more money.

Until the wedding, the choice of spouse is not done. It's not too late until that happens. Most people don't just pop in with a girlfriend or boyfriend one day and get married the next.

Careers can be changed, too.


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huskerbb, the difference between is and is considering should be apparent even to you. One has money or career choices already gone or made the other does not. Which one was used in the letter?

I did grant that the marriage one could go either way. You must have missed that.

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huskerbb, the difference between is and is considering should be apparent even to you. One has money or career choices already gone or made the other does not. Which one was used in the letter?

I did grant that the marriage one could go either way. You must have missed that.


 But careers can change.  Sure, THAT money is gone==but the'll have more money at some point.  

 

Heck, my son was working at Subway and I pestered him for MONTHS to get a better job and he finally did.  Lots of things aren't permanent.  



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There is nothing wrong with living and learning. We all have made some not so smart decisions along the way. But, if you learn and it makes you smarter you can think of it is Life's tuition. My oldest son didn't want to go to college or any type of schooling after he graduated HS. He got a job at Burger King. I told him, at least go get a job at a factory or somewhere where you might have the opportunity to learn some valuable skills. He said no, he was happy at BK. Well, a year of that was enough to convince him that he should do something else and now he is going to graduate in June. You have to give your kids the space to try and fail as well.

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