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President Obama went sightseeing in Old Havana, savoring the adulation of pro-regime crowds welcoming him on streets that had been whitewashed for his visit. But a few hours before his arrival, the true nature of the dictatorship he is embracing reared its ugly head, as hundreds of uniformed security personnel attacked and arrested peaceful protesters leaving Palm Sunday Mass.

A group of dissidents known as the Ladies in White was met outside Havana’s Santa Rita church by an organized crowd of Castro loyalists shouting insults and revolutionary slogans. Then, The Post reports, Castro’s secret police pounced on the women and “half-dragged, half-carried them to waiting buses,” while men marching with the women “were chased, thrown to the curb and handcuffed.” As they were arrested, the crowd chanted “This is Fidel’s street!”

 

This was a slap in the face to President Obama — a display intended to send a clear message that, despite his normalization of relations, nothing has changed in Cuba.

How little respect do the Castro brothers have for Obama? This month, deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes met in Miami with Carlos Amel Oliva, head of the youth wing of a major dissident organization on the island. When Oliva returned to Cuba, he wasdetained by the regime for “antisocial behavior.” His was just one of 526 political detentions in the first two weeks of March leading up to Obama’s trip.

Obama had promised not to visit Cuba under such conditions. In 2014, Obama said he would visit Cuba only if “I with confidence can say that we’re seeing some progress in the liberty and freedom,” adding: “If we’re going backwards, then there’s not much reason for me to be there. I’m not interested in just validating the status quo.”

Well, Mr. President, Cuba is heading backwards. Repression on the island has increased dramatically since Obama’s new policy of engagement with the Castro regime was announced. According to Amnesty International, political detentions in Cuba are at the highest level in “many years” and “Cuban human rights activists are at increased risk of detention or harassment from the authorities.”

Last December, 126 Cuban former political prisoners wrote Obama a letter to report that “Violent beatings against activists peacefully assembling have escalated and worsened over 2015. Politically motivated arbitrary detentions in Cuba as of the end of November 2015 are [at] a documented total of 7,686 and are on track to break the previous record set in 2014 with 8,899 arrests. Over the course of this year, the number of detentions have escalated: 178 in January; 492 in February; 610 in March; 338 in April; 641 in May; 563 in June; 674 in July; 768 in August; 882 in September; 1,093 in October; and 1,447 in November.”

“We the undersigned are political prisoners who collectively have served 1,945 years in prison for resisting the Castro dictatorship and fighting for democracy in our homeland of Cuba,” they wrote, adding: “Based on our history and experience as political prisoners under Castro’s totalitarian regime,” they wrote, “the new Cuba policy established by your Administration has been a regrettable mistake. This will prolong the life of the dictatorship, is worsening the human rights situation there, marginalizing the democratic opposition and compromising US national security.”

Despite this increased political repression — and despite his own promise not to “validate” this repression by visiting while it persists — the president is in Havana anyway.

Well, maybe Obama is planning to use his visit in Havana to deliver a “tear down this wall” message? Don’t hold your breath. According to Rhodes, the United States is no longer in favor of an end to the Castro regime. Speaking to reporters before Obama’s visit, Rhodes said: “The difference here is that in the past, because of certain U.S. policies, the message that was delivered in that regard either overtly or implicitly suggested that the U.S. was seeking to pursue regime change, that the U.S. was seeking to essentially overturn the government in Cuba or that the U.S. thought that we could dictate the political direction of Cuba.” Obama’s message in Havana, Rhodes said, is “that the United States is not a hostile nation seeking regime change” and the president “will make very clear that that’s up to the Cuban people.”

Good God.

Obama’s message to the Cuban people is that we don’t want regime change in Havana? And why is a senior White House official echoing regime propaganda that the “U.S. thought that we could dictate the political direction of Cuba”? There is only one thing stopping the Cuban people from choosing the political direction of Cuba — and that is the Castro regime.

 

Cuba is, along with North Korea, the most repressive totalitarian regime left on the face of the earth. Obama’s visit is a betrayal of the dissidents on the island who are risking their lives for democracy and human rights. As Guillermo Fariñas, a dissident journalist and winner of the European Union’s 2010 Sakharov Prize for human rights, put it after normalization was announced: “We live in daily fear that we will be killed by the fascist government. And now, the U.S. — our ally — turns its back on us and prefers to sit with our killers.”

 

 

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-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Tuesday 22nd of March 2016 09:27:10 AM

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You mean absolutely nothing has changed and Obama went back on his word?

I would say I'm surprised but I'm not.

I do feel bad for the people of Cuba and it is an amazingly beautiful place.

But nothing will change.



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He's doing his best to do as much damage to America as he can before he gets out of office.

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Yep.

And making that much easier for America to be attacked.

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Lawyerlady wrote:

He's doing his best to do as much damage to America as he can before he gets out of office.


 By visiting Cuba?

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He's doing his best to do as much damage to America as he can before he gets out of office.


 By visiting Cuba?

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 Are you kidding?  That was horrible.  What's next, he going to go buddy up with North Korea?



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flan327 wrote:
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He's doing his best to do as much damage to America as he can before he gets out of office.


 By visiting Cuba?

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And posing in front of a memorial to Che Guevera???  Seriously?



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And letting Cuba disrespect him and still going?



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This is how Obama made it in twice. Uninformed voters.

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This is how Obama made it in twice. Uninformed voters.


 Good grief, though.  She's old enough that she should understand about CUBA.



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A lot of people don't quite grasp the enormity of it.

I'll be honest, I don't know all about it.

But I do get the gist of it.

And I can see how dangerous it is.

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Lawyerlady wrote:
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This is how Obama made it in twice. Uninformed voters.


 Good grief, though.  She's old enough that she should understand about CUBA.


 Situations change.

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flan327 wrote:
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This is how Obama made it in twice. Uninformed voters.


 Good grief, though.  She's old enough that she should understand about CUBA.


 Situations change.

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 Cuba has most definitely NOT.  Did you even read the OP? 



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Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:

This is how Obama made it in twice. Uninformed voters.


 Good grief, though.  She's old enough that she should understand about CUBA.


 Situations change.

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 Cuba has most definitely NOT.  Did you even read the OP? 


 Let me guess the political leanings of the author.

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flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:

This is how Obama made it in twice. Uninformed voters.


 Good grief, though.  She's old enough that she should understand about CUBA.


 Situations change.

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 Cuba has most definitely NOT.  Did you even read the OP? 


 Let me guess the political leanings of the author.

flan


Do you even understand Cuba?  What does that have to do with the author?  



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flan327 wrote:
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flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
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This is how Obama made it in twice. Uninformed voters.


 Good grief, though.  She's old enough that she should understand about CUBA.


 Situations change.

flan


 Cuba has most definitely NOT.  Did you even read the OP? 


 Let me guess the political leanings of the author.

flan


 Are you saying what he has written is untrue?  

 

Please, show me the untruths. 



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Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:

This is how Obama made it in twice. Uninformed voters.


 Good grief, though.  She's old enough that she should understand about CUBA.


 Situations change.

flan


 Cuba has most definitely NOT.  Did you even read the OP? 


 Let me guess the political leanings of the author.

flan


 Are you saying what he has written is untrue?  

 

Please, show me the untruths. 


Well, she could just cut and paste a few words from articles all over the place and would expect us to believe that its true.  Seems to her MO... 



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Oh, wait, I thought I was the one who never answered questions.

AND I provided the source AND link.

Try again.

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flan327 wrote:

Oh, wait, I thought I was the one who never answered questions.

AND I provided the source AND link.

Try again.

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WTF are you talking about?  You haven't posted any such thing!!!   



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Oh, wait, I thought I was the one who never answered questions.

AND I provided the source AND link.

Try again.

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WTF are you talking about?  You haven't posted any such thing!!!   


 On the other thread.

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Oh, wait, I thought I was the one who never answered questions.

AND I provided the source AND link.

Try again.

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 No.  You haven't.  The link you posted was to an entirely different article.  Which ohfour has told you a couple of times now.  

 

I see the truth doesn't matter to you at all today. 



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Crucify me, if you want.

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Oh, wait, I thought I was the one who never answered questions.

AND I provided the source AND link.

Try again.

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 No.  You haven't.  The link you posted was to an entirely different article.  Which ohfour has told you a couple of times now.  

 

I see the truth doesn't matter to you at all today. 


 Dona said she HEARD the quote. The article was FROM a radio broadcast.

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There actually can be more than one article on a news story...

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flan327 wrote:

Crucify me, if you want.

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Hey you are the one that provided a half quote and an article that had absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

 

How about I post an article about, oh, I don't know, puppy mills, and tell you that it's proof that Cuba is bad.  Cause that's exactly what you did... 



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flan327 wrote:
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Oh, wait, I thought I was the one who never answered questions.

AND I provided the source AND link.

Try again.

flan


 No.  You haven't.  The link you posted was to an entirely different article.  Which ohfour has told you a couple of times now.  

 

I see the truth doesn't matter to you at all today. 


 Dona said she HEARD the quote. The article was FROM a radio broadcast.

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SHE HEARD SNIPPITS!!!!!  Are you really that dense???? 



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flan327 wrote:

There actually can be more than one article on a news story...

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OMG!!!!  PLEASE stop embarrassing yourself now...you really are making yourself look rather ignorant... 



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Ohfour wrote:
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There actually can be more than one article on a news story...

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OMG!!!!  PLEASE stop embarrassing yourself now...you really are making yourself look rather ignorant... 


 Go away.

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Ohfour wrote:
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Crucify me, if you want.

flan


Hey you are the one that provided a half quote and an article that had absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

 

How about I post an article about, oh, I don't know, puppy mills, and tell you that it's proof that Cuba is bad.  Cause that's exactly what you did... 


 One more time:

I FOUND THE QUOTE DONA ASKED ABOUT. How is that off topic?

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flan327 wrote:
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flan327 wrote:

Crucify me, if you want.

flan


Hey you are the one that provided a half quote and an article that had absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

 

How about I post an article about, oh, I don't know, puppy mills, and tell you that it's proof that Cuba is bad.  Cause that's exactly what you did... 


 One more time:

I FOUND THE QUOTE DONA ASKED ABOUT. How is that off topic?

flan


 flan, did you doctor that quote to fit what Dona said, or did the article do it?  

I can't imagine why you'd refuse to post the real link if the article actually did it.



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Oooo.... O4, you're getting the go away  I have gotten.

 

 



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Oooo.... O4, you're getting the go away  I have gotten.

 

 


 That's the response when she can't defend her statements.  Not an, "I was wrong", but "go away". 



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Oh I know.

I've even gotten them out of the blue from her.

So childish.

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And the thing is, she does it to herself. Posts crap and then can't defend it and gets mad when people call her on it.

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I know.



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Lawyerlady wrote:
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Crucify me, if you want.

flan


Hey you are the one that provided a half quote and an article that had absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

 

How about I post an article about, oh, I don't know, puppy mills, and tell you that it's proof that Cuba is bad.  Cause that's exactly what you did... 


 One more time:

I FOUND THE QUOTE DONA ASKED ABOUT. How is that off topic?

flan


 flan, did you doctor that quote to fit what Dona said, or did the article do it?  

I can't imagine why you'd refuse to post the real link if the article actually did it.


 I DID post the "real link."

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Oh I know.

I've even gotten them out of the blue from her.

So childish.


 I'll take that as a compliment.

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flan327 wrote:
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flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:

Crucify me, if you want.

flan


Hey you are the one that provided a half quote and an article that had absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

 

How about I post an article about, oh, I don't know, puppy mills, and tell you that it's proof that Cuba is bad.  Cause that's exactly what you did... 


 One more time:

I FOUND THE QUOTE DONA ASKED ABOUT. How is that off topic?

flan


 flan, did you doctor that quote to fit what Dona said, or did the article do it?  

I can't imagine why you'd refuse to post the real link if the article actually did it.


 I DID post the "real link."

flan


Why don't you do us all a favor and click on it.  Your stubbornness makes you look like a total fool... 



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I copied the address at the top of the page...the one where I was reading the article.

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I copied the address at the top of the page...the one where I was reading the article.

flan


Well, that has nothing to do with the subject.  You just can't admit you are wrong can you? 



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I copied the address at the top of the page...the one where I was reading the article.

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Well, that has nothing to do with the subject.  You just can't admit you are wrong can you? 


 Let's try again: WHAT is the subject, Hon?

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Reagan challenged dictators and the status quo with 'tear down this wall". Obama back slaps, high fives and bows.

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flan327 wrote:
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Crucify me, if you want.

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Hey you are the one that provided a half quote and an article that had absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

 

How about I post an article about, oh, I don't know, puppy mills, and tell you that it's proof that Cuba is bad.  Cause that's exactly what you did... 


 One more time:

I FOUND THE QUOTE DONA ASKED ABOUT. How is that off topic?

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 Bwahahahaha. It wasn't the quote. You posted only the part that supported your delusions. Some people never look in the mirror do they flannie?



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Reagan challenged dictators and the status quo with 'tear down this wall". Obama back slaps, high fives and bows.


 You bring home the point when you even can find a way to put Reagan and Obama in the same paragraph. 



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Wow, I thought this was going to be a discussion about Cuba. Cuba has long been a human rights violator. They have no regard for justice or democracy. It's horrible. I can't believe Obama went.

And JFTR, I think it's extremely tacky to call people low information voters.

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Well if the low information fits then wear it. If someone doesn't see how inappropriate Obama is acting in Cuba then they are obviously uninformed. It's also extremely tacky to call Trump supporters Trumpeteers but I guess certain people are allowed and others are not.

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I heard a bit of a speech he gave while over there, once again apologizing for the US and past actions.

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And, every act of terrorism is just another lecture on "islamophobia". Look at the people that Obama is in bed with. Look at the people that Obama has given billions too from Iran to Morrisey, etc. He seems to want to jump into bed with dictators.

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I want to go back to bed.

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