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Father Banned from Taking his Son To Church Because Ex-Wife is Muslim

 
 
 

A British father has been banned from taking his nine year old son to church, as his ex-wife is a Muslim. The ruling stipulates he must also feed the boy Halal food and assure him he is an ordinary Muslim boy.

The father has been threatened with loss of custody if he breaks the ban – but he has vowed to challenge the ruling, saying that his son is being brainwashed into Islam and that he doesn’t want him becoming a “dumb sheep”.

The father, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was raised as a Muslim by his strict Pakistani immigrant parents. But he has rejected the faith of his birth, and said he and his wife led a “Western lifestyle” while married.

Following his divorce he has been forging close connections to his local Christian community and would like his son to attend with him, hoping to broadening his world-view. But his ex-wife has secured a court order by District Judge Williscroft at Derby County Court, preventing him from taking his son to church or even to the leisure centre it runs.

“After my divorce, the Christian community embraced me,” the father said. “They run many activities my son enjoys so I go to the church and would like to take my son.

“I was taught that Christians were heartless and immoral, that only Muslims have a peaceful faith and all others are evil. It was only when I began mixing with Christians that I learned this was nonsense.”

But his ex-wife has insisted that their son could “become confused” if exposed to religions other than Islam – a notion the boy’s father rejects.

He told the Mail on Sunday: “This judge is simply scared of being branded Islamophobic. I want my son to have a balanced life in which he is exposed to different faiths and can make up his own mind about which, if any, religion he follows.

“My son is being indoctrinated and the only way I can show him other things is to take him to other places.”

And the order goes further: banning the boy’s father, who has custody of his son at weekends only, from taking him to any religious event or Christian building. He must also only feed the boy Halal food, and, bizarrely must reassure the child he is “an ordinary Muslim boy following Muslim rules.” The father has lodged an appeal with the High Court to have the order overturned.

“If I don’t show him other types of life he will become just like a dumb sheep,” he said. “I want him to see and learn about different cultures.”

And he said the ruling is affecting his relationship with his son: “This is nothing short of brain-washing him. Already he is telling me that I have a black heart; that I am a bad man, because I am not a practising Muslim. I am heartbroken that I have to keep him away from activities with local children.

“He is being fed the same lies I was as a child and I want better for him. This judge was so busy being politically correct that she has ignored the influence of myself as a loving father. I am terrified that he will stop wanting to see me because of his indoctrination.”

Christian groups have condemned the order, which they say is yet another example of institutional deference to Islam, and bias against Christianity.

The ruling was “pandering to Islam,” said barrister Andrea Williams, of the Christian Legal Centre and a member of the Church of England General Synod.

“This is a form of judicial bullying,” she added. “The wife is using the law to coerce and silence a father’s right to determine his son’s religious experience. This chimes generally with what we see with the judicial system acting as if it is afraid of upsetting Islam and therefore showing a willingness to suppress the Christian faith and punishing those who practise it.

“This would not have happened the other way around. If a Christian parent was trying to deny a child access to a mosque, there would be a huge outcry and claims of Islamophobia.”

Simon Calvert of the Christian Institute was in agreement, commenting: “This is not the first time that I’ve heard of proceedings where the authority has tried to prevent a child being exposed to the Christian faith.

“One has to ask if the courts would have done the same with any other faith. There is a general feeling that Christianity is an easy target because there is rarely any public backlash. I think the fact that the father is himself of Muslim heritage shows there was no need for such over-sensitivity.”



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I have to wonder if the divorce decree covered all this and he agreed. Still, a court should not be ruling on a religious issue if the religion does not harm the child.

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A child should be allowed to learn about other religions, and a grown adult, parent or not, should not be forced to endorse a religion they don't agree with.

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He should. But the Muslim belief is about conquering.

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WTF did he think was going to happen when he married her?

There have been many cases where non-Muslim American women marry a Muslim man, and the next thing you know, he takes off with the kid for the Middle East and she has a hard time getting the kid back--if she ever does.

Many times, Muslim men seem very "Western", but as soon as they get married and kids start coming, they revert to very traditional Muslim ways. It probably happens some with Muslim women, too.

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He was Muslim when they got married. He has converted.

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He was Muslim when they got married. He has converted.


 Hmm.  Well, then that is tougher.  He's the one changing the "rules".



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Wasn't there a case a while back where a court forbade a mom from homeschooling her kid because divorced dad didn't want the kid to just be taught by mom?
Everyone was howling it infringed on freedom of religion, but what that boiled down to was two parents with their heads up their asses.
This reminds me of that. These two need to get with it and see how much their fight is harming their son.
This isn't about religion. This is about two people trying to hurt each other through their child, and using religion to do it.
They both need to grow up, and find a compromise.

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He was Muslim when they got married. He has converted.


 Hmm.  Well, then that is tougher.  He's the one changing the "rules".


 I don't think he should be forced to support Islam with affirmations.  And he shouldn't be required to promote the religion.



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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

I have to wonder if the divorce decree covered all this and he agreed. Still, a court should not be ruling on a religious issue if the religion does not harm the child.


I wonder this too.  Otherwise I can't believe the courts are ruling on the family's religious choices. 



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Well, it is England. Lack of freedom of religion is why the Pilgrims fled and came here.

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Lawyerlady wrote:
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Lawyerlady wrote:

He was Muslim when they got married. He has converted.


 Hmm.  Well, then that is tougher.  He's the one changing the "rules".


 I don't think he should be forced to support Islam with affirmations.  And he shouldn't be required to promote the religion.


 I agree, no matter WHAT the religion.

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We're not talking about U.S. courts. Remember, one of the goals of our founding fathers was for religious freedom, something they did not get in England.

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I thought it already was here. I'm so confused...

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I do like the sculpture in the OP!

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It is pretty cool. I like the church behind it, too. Love the architecture.

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Considering that the C of E is basically the "State Religion" of Britain, I'm surprised that an English Judge would, or even could, rule against allowing attendance there.

The child should be allowed to be exposed to both and then be allowed to choose for himself. Hopefully he won't choose Islam, but that should be his choice.

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Well, just an FYI but in the Muslim religion the mother is responsible for the religious upbringing of the children. That may play into it.

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WTF did he think was going to happen when he married her?

There have been many cases where non-Muslim American women marry a Muslim man, and the next thing you know, he takes off with the kid for the Middle East and she has a hard time getting the kid back--if she ever does.

Many times, Muslim men seem very "Western", but as soon as they get married and kids start coming, they revert to very traditional Muslim ways. It probably happens some with Muslim women, too.


 Yes.  I have seen that happen as well.  They seem very Western until getting married, then after marriage, they go very traditional in that regard.



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Well, if you are divorced, then sorry but you don't get to control everything the other parent does. If one wants to take one to catechism and the other wants to take one to synagogue or mosque, then so what?

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Time to kidnap the kid to america.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

Well, if you are divorced, then sorry but you don't get to control everything the other parent does. If one wants to take one to catechism and the other wants to take one to synagogue or mosque, then so what?


That's not reality though...

With divorce, there are a TON of restrictions from parent to parent... 



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True.

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It depends on several things: the age of the children is an important factor.

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flan327 wrote:

It depends on several things: the age of the children is an important factor.

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 Not really. Gs ex had everything in stone until they turned 18 or graduated HS, whichever came last...



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Ohfour wrote:
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It depends on several things: the age of the children is an important factor.

flan


 Not really. Gs ex had everything in stone until they turned 18 or graduated HS, whichever came last...


 DH's kids were NOT minors, so it WAS a factor.

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flan327 wrote:
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It depends on several things: the age of the children is an important factor.

flan


 Not really. Gs ex had everything in stone until they turned 18 or graduated HS, whichever came last...


 DH's kids were NOT minors, so it WAS a factor.

flan


 Then it's completely irrelevant. 



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lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:

It depends on several things: the age of the children is an important factor.

flan


 Not really. Gs ex had everything in stone until they turned 18 or graduated HS, whichever came last...


 DH's kids were NOT minors, so it WAS a factor.

flan


 Then it's completely irrelevant. 


 Right? Grown kids are not even a part of a settlement.  Totally irrelevant.  Geez...



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Ohfour wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:

It depends on several things: the age of the children is an important factor.

flan


 Not really. Gs ex had everything in stone until they turned 18 or graduated HS, whichever came last...


 DH's kids were NOT minors, so it WAS a factor.

flan


 Then it's completely irrelevant. 


 Right? Grown kids are not even a part of a settlement.  Totally irrelevant.  Geez...


 He did have to pay child support, so I guess it depends on how you define "minor." Older child was 21, younger was 20.

And, if you make a blanket statement, qualify it if you don't want others to comment.

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What? Why was he paying child support on a 20 and 21 year old? We're they in school?

Minor means under 18.

No other definition.



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flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:

It depends on several things: the age of the children is an important factor.

flan


 Not really. Gs ex had everything in stone until they turned 18 or graduated HS, whichever came last...


 DH's kids were NOT minors, so it WAS a factor.

flan


 Then it's completely irrelevant. 


 Right? Grown kids are not even a part of a settlement.  Totally irrelevant.  Geez...


 He did have to pay child support, so I guess it depends on how you define "minor." Older child was 21, younger was 20.

And, if you make a blanket statement, qualify it if you don't want others to comment.

flan


 Then he is an idiot. His lust superseded his intelligence  (if he had any). 



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Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:

It depends on several things: the age of the children is an important factor.

flan


 Not really. Gs ex had everything in stone until they turned 18 or graduated HS, whichever came last...


 DH's kids were NOT minors, so it WAS a factor.

flan


 Then it's completely irrelevant. 


 Right? Grown kids are not even a part of a settlement.  Totally irrelevant.  Geez...


 He did have to pay child support, so I guess it depends on how you define "minor." Older child was 21, younger was 20.

And, if you make a blanket statement, qualify it if you don't want others to comment.

flan


 Then he is an idiot. His lust superseded his intelligence  (if he had any). 


 Just when I thought you couldn't sink ANY LOWER.

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And, FTR, his wife ASKED for child support, claiming the daughter was in school. He paid.

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I'm going to be nice and not even comment on these last few statements.

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flan327 wrote:

And, FTR, his wife ASKED for child support, claiming the daughter was in school. He paid.

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 Again, he was stupid. 



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flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:

It depends on several things: the age of the children is an important factor.

flan


 Not really. Gs ex had everything in stone until they turned 18 or graduated HS, whichever came last...


 DH's kids were NOT minors, so it WAS a factor.

flan


 Then it's completely irrelevant. 


 Right? Grown kids are not even a part of a settlement.  Totally irrelevant.  Geez...


 He did have to pay child support, so I guess it depends on how you define "minor." Older child was 21, younger was 20.

And, if you make a blanket statement, qualify it if you don't want others to comment.

flan


 Then he is an idiot. His lust superseded his intelligence  (if he had any). 


 Just when I thought you couldn't sink ANY LOWER.

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 No lower than you, dear....



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flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:

It depends on several things: the age of the children is an important factor.

flan


 Not really. Gs ex had everything in stone until they turned 18 or graduated HS, whichever came last...


 DH's kids were NOT minors, so it WAS a factor.

flan


 Then it's completely irrelevant. 


 Right? Grown kids are not even a part of a settlement.  Totally irrelevant.  Geez...


 He did have to pay child support, so I guess it depends on how you define "minor." Older child was 21, younger was 20.

And, if you make a blanket statement, qualify it if you don't want others to comment.

flan


 Wow.  He had a crappy lawyer.

 

Nevermind.  I see that it was the law.  How CRAZY.  Geesh.



-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Tuesday 29th of March 2016 08:59:09 PM

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Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:

It depends on several things: the age of the children is an important factor.

flan


 Not really. Gs ex had everything in stone until they turned 18 or graduated HS, whichever came last...


 DH's kids were NOT minors, so it WAS a factor.

flan


 Then it's completely irrelevant. 


 Right? Grown kids are not even a part of a settlement.  Totally irrelevant.  Geez...


 He did have to pay child support, so I guess it depends on how you define "minor." Older child was 21, younger was 20.

And, if you make a blanket statement, qualify it if you don't want others to comment.

flan


 Wow.  He had a crappy lawyer.

 

Nevermind.  I see that it was the law.  How CRAZY.  Geesh.



-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Tuesday 29th of March 2016 08:59:09 PM


 Indiana, right?

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Which one was in school? I assume the 20 yr old.

Why?

Honest question.

I turned 19 in February of my senior year.



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lilyofcourse wrote:

Which one was in school? I assume the 20 yr old.

Why?

Honest question.

I turned 19 in February of my senior year.


 Yes. College was included in the guidelines.

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Oh. Well. That's different.

But they still were not minors.

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flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:

It depends on several things: the age of the children is an important factor.

flan


 Not really. Gs ex had everything in stone until they turned 18 or graduated HS, whichever came last...


 DH's kids were NOT minors, so it WAS a factor.

flan


 Then it's completely irrelevant. 


 Right? Grown kids are not even a part of a settlement.  Totally irrelevant.  Geez...


 He did have to pay child support, so I guess it depends on how you define "minor." Older child was 21, younger was 20.

And, if you make a blanket statement, qualify it if you don't want others to comment.

flan


 Wow.  He had a crappy lawyer.

 

Nevermind.  I see that it was the law.  How CRAZY.  Geesh.



-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Tuesday 29th of March 2016 08:59:09 PM


 Indiana, right?

flan


 Yes.  The good news is they lowered it from 21 to 19 in 2012.  



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Interesting!

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