DEAR ABBY: My boyfriend of 10 years, “Ethan,” lost his mother to suicide 11 years ago on Dec. 31. The first couple of years after her death, he’d put on a happy face during the holiday season.
But in recent years he has gotten more and more moody. I love the season, from Halloween all the way through my birthday in February. I enjoy making my loved ones happy during this time, but no matter what I do, it doesn’t work for Ethan.
I understand there’s no limit to how long you can mourn someone, especially your mother. I couldn’t imagine losing mine, but how can I get him to not drag everyone down into the funk he puts himself in?
I don’t want to downplay Ethan’s emotions, but even when we are opening presents together, he has an “I don’t give a s—” face.
For the last few winters all we seem to do is argue about nothing or everything. I am at the point of walking on pins and needles around him to avoid being sad during a time I love so much. I’m at my wits’ end.
He went to therapy for a little while, but stopped because he no longer had the time. (He works two jobs and is on call basically 24/7.) I work as well, and have asked him to quit one of the jobs because he is getting older (mid-40s) and it’s not good for his health. What else can I do? — NO COMFORT IN JOY
DEAR NO COMFORT: Sympathize with Ethan, tell him that it’s clear he is still hurting, and suggest he talk with another therapist because depression may run in his family.
You should also tell him that his “funk” is contagious and you would like to be able to enjoy the holidays. Or, consider socializing less with Ethan from October through February and spend the time with others like you who would like to celebrate.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
That's what we did. BIL is no longer welcome at out house during holidays. He brings the entire family down.
We called him yesterday to say happy Easter and his response was, "all holidays died for me when Betty Jane (their mother) died". He's a 70 year old man. It's ridiculous...
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Personally, holiday joy is important to me. My ex lost his mother to cancer a week before Christmas, so holidays were always a downer for him. There were many other reasons it didn't work for us, but this was a biggie.
Yeah, scrooges get sympathy the first couple of years, after that, buck up or don't come. My father died on Christmas Eve and my step-father on Christmas Day. Getting over that and refusing to let it ruin the holidays took me several years - but I smiled my way through it and didn't ruin it for others. I'd be damned if I'd let someone else ruin holidays for a decade.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Yeah. They're not married. I would walk. It's very controlling behavior and I love the holidays too much to put up with that. Luckily my fiancé is a xmas hoor too lol
There comes a time when you have to choose how you behave.
I didn't say feel, I said behave.
And if you love the people you are with, you do everything in your power not to ruin their holidays.
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Well darn. I was thinking about skipping Christmas festivities this year. A long time ago I lost my mom and sis two weeks after Christmas and now my dad two days after. I was thinking a cruise if I could get the time off.
But I doubt you would purposefully and knowingly bring a wet blanket to your family's events.
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Well darn. I was thinking about skipping Christmas festivities this year. A long time ago I lost my mom and sis two weeks after Christmas and now my dad two days after. I was thinking a cruise if I could get the time off.
Aw, SB. I think this year would be the absolute most appropriate time for that! 20 years from now, I think you should be enjoying your family...
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Well darn. I was thinking about skipping Christmas festivities this year. A long time ago I lost my mom and sis two weeks after Christmas and now my dad two days after. I was thinking a cruise if I could get the time off.
Aw, SB. I think this year would be the absolute most appropriate time for that! 20 years from now, I think you should be enjoying your family...
Exactly.
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There comes a time when you have to choose how you behave.
I didn't say feel, I said behave.
And if you love the people you are with, you do everything in your power not to ruin their holidays.
But then there are people that actually enjoy ruining holidays for people. If they are going to be miserable, they want everyone to be miserable too.
That's true.
But then it goes back to "if you love them".
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That's why I love this board so much! That was a joke before anyone wants to tell me what a bad person I am.
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There comes a time when you have to choose how you behave.
I didn't say feel, I said behave.
And if you love the people you are with, you do everything in your power not to ruin their holidays.
But then there are people that actually enjoy ruining holidays for people. If they are going to be miserable, they want everyone to be miserable too.
Yes, and you know such a person. I don't know anyone like that.
flan
Did you REALLY just say that? Really??????
No, apparently you're hallucinating.
What is your problem?
flan
I'm not the one with the problem...
Let me get this straight:
I state a FACT ABOUT MY LIFE, and I have a problem?
My extended family is likely one of the smallest on the board, and nope, none of them are like that. Friends? If they acted like that, they wouldn't be for long.
There comes a time when you have to choose how you behave.
I didn't say feel, I said behave.
And if you love the people you are with, you do everything in your power not to ruin their holidays.
But then there are people that actually enjoy ruining holidays for people. If they are going to be miserable, they want everyone to be miserable too.
Yes, and you know such a person. I don't know anyone like that.
flan
Did you REALLY just say that? Really??????
No, apparently you're hallucinating.
What is your problem?
flan
I'm not the one with the problem...
Let me get this straight:
I state a FACT ABOUT MY LIFE, and I have a problem?
My extended family is likely one of the smallest on the board, and nope, none of them are like that. Friends? If they acted like that, they wouldn't be for long.
flan
What's that saying... if 4 out of 5 people are crazy, and 4 of your friends aren't, they maybe its you?
Now THAT is an analogy...
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This Ethan guy sounds like a total butthole. I would scrap the relationship.
Me, too. First of all - a guy in his 40s who has been your boyfriend for 10 years? NO. Second, he more wrapped up in the past than invested in making the future work. NO. Third, he doesn't sound fun to be around at all. RUN!
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
People get depressed or have losses , illness etc. And yes there are times you dont feel like celebrating the holidays. And maybe you just limit yoyr holiday time with others. That's ok. But you have to understand that others should be allowed their moments of joy.
People get depressed or have losses , illness etc. And yes there are times you dont feel like celebrating the holidays. And maybe you just limit yoyr holiday time with others. That's ok. But you have to understand that others should be allowed their moments of joy.
This.
About a month after my marriage crumbled, my uncle announced he was getting married.
They had a little ceremony a couple weeks later.
I was in no mood for a wedding. I was angry, hurt, bitter and hated ANYTHING to do with love and marriage.
But I went. God help me, I went.
I smiled, I talked, and put on a pretty good show.
But I was screaming on the inside.
I remember being in the bathroom, white knuckling the sink, gritting my teeth and trying to swallow the bile back from the rage I had boiling inside me. Took me a good ten minutes to gain my composure again and go back out to play happy again.
But I did it.
Because it wasn't about me. I had to keep my chickens together for the sake of my family.
There are times when you swallow and swallow and swallow until your sure you are going to choke, but you keep on swallowing.
And you do it for those you love, so they can have some joy.
-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Tuesday 29th of March 2016 12:39:18 AM
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It's like women who have had a miscarriage or difficulty have children. Yes, of course that is extremely painful. But that isn't a personal slam at you if your friend gets pregnant. I have seen women that simply cannot be happy for their friend and the friend has to tiptoe around their pregnancy. Heck it has happened on this board. Yes, it is a painful thing, but others have the right to talk about their own joys.
In life we are going to have joys and tragedies. We all have both. And, sometimes when you are going through your life's tragedies, others are going through their joys. And, make no mistake EVERYONE is going to have trying times in their lives, and so will those having joy now, so why take that away from someone?
That was well said Lilly. It isn't about "me". Everything in life should not be interpreted as all about "me". Personally, that is why i think parents who get all their kids a gift on birthdays are making a huge mistake. You have to teach your children that everything ins't all about them. And, i have had times where one of my kids pouted at their siblings party and had to take them aside and say, this day isn't about YOU and it is about you helping to make this a happy day for your sibling. And, your turn will come when it's your birthday. That yes, in life you are required to set your own pain or issues aside at times for the happiness of others.