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huskerbb · Guru

Minimum Wage...

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

It's ridiculous. And I worked in fast food.

Putting a burger together, and pictures are provided, is not worth $8 an hour.

Those in the military should absolutely be paid more, 3x what they now get.

Now, I'm not against cost of living increases. $5.15, minimum wage when I started working, is not enough now. But $8?

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
It's ridiculous. And I worked in fast food.

Putting a burger together, and pictures are provided, is not worth $8 an hour.

Those in the military should absolutely be paid more, 3x what they now get.

Now, I'm not against cost of living increases. $5.15, minimum wage when I started working, is not enough now. But $8?

I don't mind $8, or even $10--but $15??? That's absurd.

huskerbb · Guru

Anyone who actually has skills is making more than minimum wage.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Tuesday 29th of March 2016 06:20:55 PM

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
It's ridiculous. And I worked in fast food.

Putting a burger together, and pictures are provided, is not worth $8 an hour.

Those in the military should absolutely be paid more, 3x what they now get.

Now, I'm not against cost of living increases. $5.15, minimum wage when I started working, is not enough now. But $8?
I don't mind $8, or even $10--but $15??? That's absurd.

I took a HUGE pay cut when I left Indy PL. I don't even make that now.

flan

huskerbb · Guru

And to jump from $8 to $15 in one shot--that's DOUBLING it. Businesses need time to adjust.

Tangerine · Guru

The figures for military pay are misleading. An E1 doesn't make much money, but he would receive free housing, food, and medical insurance and treatment.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

huskerbb wrote:
Anyone who actually has skills is making more than minimum wage.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Tuesday 29th of March 2016 06:20:55 PM

Unless you are in management, minimum wage jobs are not meant to be life supporting jobs.

I made pretty good in management, but I also had crap hours and, at one point, two businesses I was managing at the same time.

I'm not saying it is easy work, you sweat working in fast food.

But regular employees are not doing more than basic cleaning and cooking.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

A full time job should make enough to live on.
And most fast food places aren't paying out housing, medical care, etc like the military is.
Although, for having the largest standing army in the Western world, we have one of the lowest paid.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Tangerine wrote:
The figures for military pay are misleading. An E1 doesn't make much money, but he would receive free housing, food, and medical insurance and treatment.

And they deserve that, plus.

huskerbb · Guru

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
A full time job should make enough to live on.
And most fast food places aren't paying out housing, medical care, etc like the military is.
Although, for having the largest standing army in the Western world, we have one of the lowest paid.

There is no "should".

You market your skills to people who will pay for what you can do. If you don't have the skills to make more money than you do, tough. The government should not be in the business of artificially inflating the labor market for unskilled jobs.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Hey, there is a lot of skill in putting a burger together.

Pickles first? Or mustard?

How many pickles?

I'm being sarcastic to an extent.

Did you know that the different chains have different strategies to building a sandwich?

How you put it together effects the way it tastes.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Now before we go any further, there is no shame in working. No matter where you work, you should take pride in your job.

Those working in the minimum wage jobs are stocking your grocery shelves, making your food, making your coffee, cleaning your cars, and all those other little jobs that make your life run more smoothly.

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Hey, there is a lot of skill in putting a burger together.

Pickles first? Or mustard?

How many pickles?

I'm being sarcastic to an extent.

Did you know that the different chains have different strategies to building a sandwich?

How you put it together effects the way it tastes.

Is that the same as "affects"?

Just making sure.

(jicama vs jimaca)

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I'll never look at a burger the same way again...

flan

Tangerine · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Tangerine wrote:
The figures for military pay are misleading. An E1 doesn't make much money, but he would receive free housing, food, and medical insurance and treatment.
And they deserve that, plus.

Yes. I'm just saying that the basepay rate doesn't accurately reflect the compensation they receive.

weltschmerz · Guru

BENEFITS THAT LAST A LIFETIME

The training and salary you get as a Soldier

are only some of the ways the Army strengthens you for tomorrow. The Army also offers money for education, comprehensive health care, generous vacation time, family services and support groups, special pay for special duties and cash allowances to cover the cost of living.

www.goarmy.com/benefits.html

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Hey, there is a lot of skill in putting a burger together.

Pickles first? Or mustard?

How many pickles?

I'm being sarcastic to an extent.

Did you know that the different chains have different strategies to building a sandwich?

How you put it together effects the way it tastes.

Is that the same as "affects"?
Just making sure.
(jicama vs jimaca)

Yes. It is.

I'm on my phone. Sorry it corrected it when posting.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Tangerine wrote:
The figures for military pay are misleading. An E1 doesn't make much money, but he would receive free housing, food, and medical insurance and treatment.

You stole my post. I was going to say this. Don't forget about the pension if he/she stays in for 20 years plus the tuition with a living stipend while going to college.

weltschmerz · Guru

MILITARY COMPENSATION: ARMY BENEFITS

IT’S MORE THAN JUST A SALARY

The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that the average active duty

service member receives an Army benefits and pay compensation package worth $99,000. Noncash compensation represents almost 60 percent of this package. Noncash compensation includes health care, retirement pay, child care and free or subsidized food, housing and education. Coupled with regular cash compensation, this adds up to attractive military compensation for Soldiers.

weltschmerz · Guru

$99,000. Not too shabby.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
A full time job should make enough to live on.
And most fast food places aren't paying out housing, medical care, etc like the military is.
Although, for having the largest standing army in the Western world, we have one of the lowest paid.

Define "live on". Full time minimum wage one can live on. Sure may not be a nice luxury 2 bedroom townhome, but perhaps a studio. Problem is what people decide is acceptable.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

weltschmerz wrote:
MILITARY COMPENSATION: ARMY BENEFITS

IT’S MORE THAN JUST A SALARY

The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that the average active duty

service member receives an Army benefits and pay compensation package worth $99,000. Noncash compensation represents almost 60 percent of this package. Noncash compensation includes health care, retirement pay, child care and free or subsidized food, housing and education. Coupled with regular cash compensation, this adds up to attractive military compensation for Soldiers.

Copied and pasted by someone who has no real clue the toll serving takes on military and their spouse and kids.

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
MILITARY COMPENSATION: ARMY BENEFITS

IT’S MORE THAN JUST A SALARY

The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that the average active duty

service member receives an Army benefits and pay compensation package worth $99,000. Noncash compensation represents almost 60 percent of this package. Noncash compensation includes health care, retirement pay, child care and free or subsidized food, housing and education. Coupled with regular cash compensation, this adds up to attractive military compensation for Soldiers.
Copied and pasted by someone who has no real clue the toll serving takes on military and their spouse and kids.

ROTFLMAO!!!

Sorry you don't like it.

The FACT remains, that the OP was very misleading re compensation.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
MILITARY COMPENSATION: ARMY BENEFITS

IT’S MORE THAN JUST A SALARY

The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that the average active duty

service member receives an Army benefits and pay compensation package worth $99,000. Noncash compensation represents almost 60 percent of this package. Noncash compensation includes health care, retirement pay, child care and free or subsidized food, housing and education. Coupled with regular cash compensation, this adds up to attractive military compensation for Soldiers.
Copied and pasted by someone who has no real clue the toll serving takes on military and their spouse and kids.

ROTFLMAO!!!
Sorry you don't like it.
The FACT remains, that the OP was very misleading re compensation.

nobody said it wasn't misleading. What is your problem?

weltschmerz · Guru

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
MILITARY COMPENSATION: ARMY BENEFITS

IT’S MORE THAN JUST A SALARY

The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that the average active duty

service member receives an Army benefits and pay compensation package worth $99,000. Noncash compensation represents almost 60 percent of this package. Noncash compensation includes health care, retirement pay, child care and free or subsidized food, housing and education. Coupled with regular cash compensation, this adds up to attractive military compensation for Soldiers.
Copied and pasted by someone who has no real clue the toll serving takes on military and their spouse and kids.

ROTFLMAO!!!
Sorry you don't like it.
The FACT remains, that the OP was very misleading re compensation.
nobody said it wasn't misleading. What is your problem?

What's yours?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
MILITARY COMPENSATION: ARMY BENEFITS

IT’S MORE THAN JUST A SALARY

The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that the average active duty

service member receives an Army benefits and pay compensation package worth $99,000. Noncash compensation represents almost 60 percent of this package. Noncash compensation includes health care, retirement pay, child care and free or subsidized food, housing and education. Coupled with regular cash compensation, this adds up to attractive military compensation for Soldiers.
Copied and pasted by someone who has no real clue the toll serving takes on military and their spouse and kids.

ROTFLMAO!!!
Sorry you don't like it.
The FACT remains, that the OP was very misleading re compensation.

It isn't that I don't like it.

I think they earn it.

And deserve it.

And more.

You posted it trying to slam the OP and our military.

weltschmerz · Guru

Tangerine wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Tangerine wrote:
The figures for military pay are misleading. An E1 doesn't make much money, but he would receive free housing, food, and medical insurance and treatment.
And they deserve that, plus.

Yes. I'm just saying that the basepay rate doesn't accurately reflect the compensation they receive.

Hey Lily!!

Why didn't you have a hissy fit over this post?

Tang claimed it, and I backed it up.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

weltschmerz wrote:
Tangerine wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Tangerine wrote:
The figures for military pay are misleading. An E1 doesn't make much money, but he would receive free housing, food, and medical insurance and treatment.
And they deserve that, plus.

Yes. I'm just saying that the basepay rate doesn't accurately reflect the compensation they receive.
Hey Lily!!
Why didn't you have a hissy fit over this post?
Tang claimed it, and I backed it up.

flan

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
MILITARY COMPENSATION: ARMY BENEFITS

IT’S MORE THAN JUST A SALARY

The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that the average active duty

service member receives an Army benefits and pay compensation package worth $99,000. Noncash compensation represents almost 60 percent of this package. Noncash compensation includes health care, retirement pay, child care and free or subsidized food, housing and education. Coupled with regular cash compensation, this adds up to attractive military compensation for Soldiers.
Copied and pasted by someone who has no real clue the toll serving takes on military and their spouse and kids.

ROTFLMAO!!!
Sorry you don't like it.
The FACT remains, that the OP was very misleading re compensation.
It isn't that I don't like it.
I think they earn it.
And deserve it.
And more.
You posted it trying to slam the OP and our military.

I'm slamming your military? Delusional much?

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Who is saying they don't deserve it???
Posting the monetary value of benifits recieved is not saying they don’t deserve them.

Tinydancer · Guru

The payback for whatever they make in the military is the chance to forfeit their life for you. Comparing it to making you disgusting overpriced lunch is just wrong.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

weltschmerz wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
MILITARY COMPENSATION: ARMY BENEFITS

IT’S MORE THAN JUST A SALARY

The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that the average active duty

service member receives an Army benefits and pay compensation package worth $99,000. Noncash compensation represents almost 60 percent of this package. Noncash compensation includes health care, retirement pay, child care and free or subsidized food, housing and education. Coupled with regular cash compensation, this adds up to attractive military compensation for Soldiers.
Copied and pasted by someone who has no real clue the toll serving takes on military and their spouse and kids.

ROTFLMAO!!!
Sorry you don't like it.
The FACT remains, that the OP was very misleading re compensation.
nobody said it wasn't misleading. What is your problem?
What's yours?

Trolling again?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Nope, just posting.

flan

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
MILITARY COMPENSATION: ARMY BENEFITS

IT’S MORE THAN JUST A SALARY

The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that the average active duty

service member receives an Army benefits and pay compensation package worth $99,000. Noncash compensation represents almost 60 percent of this package. Noncash compensation includes health care, retirement pay, child care and free or subsidized food, housing and education. Coupled with regular cash compensation, this adds up to attractive military compensation for Soldiers.

That is simply a foolish post. If they don't put in their 20 years--then they get ZERO retirement. There are many other factors that go into some of the benefits, as well--especially the GI bill.

weltschmerz · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
MILITARY COMPENSATION: ARMY BENEFITS

IT’S MORE THAN JUST A SALARY

The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that the average active duty

service member receives an Army benefits and pay compensation package worth $99,000. Noncash compensation represents almost 60 percent of this package. Noncash compensation includes health care, retirement pay, child care and free or subsidized food, housing and education. Coupled with regular cash compensation, this adds up to attractive military compensation for Soldiers.
That is simply a foolish post. If they don't put in their 20 years--then they get ZERO retirement. There are many other factors that go into some of the benefits, as well--especially the GI bill.

Gosh. Silly me. Do they also have to put in twenty years to get food and housing and health care and education and daycare?

Take it up with the US Army. I got it from their site.

The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that the average active duty

X

Active Duty is similar to working at a full-time civilian job.

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service member receives an Army benefits and pay compensation package worth $99,000. Noncash compensation represents almost 60 percent of this package. Noncash compensation includes health care, retirement pay, child care and free or subsidized food, housing and education. Coupled with regular cash compensation, this adds up to attractive military compensation for Soldiers.

http://www.goarmy.com/benefits/total-compensation.html

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
MILITARY COMPENSATION: ARMY BENEFITS

IT’S MORE THAN JUST A SALARY

The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that the average active duty

service member receives an Army benefits and pay compensation package worth $99,000. Noncash compensation represents almost 60 percent of this package. Noncash compensation includes health care, retirement pay, child care and free or subsidized food, housing and education. Coupled with regular cash compensation, this adds up to attractive military compensation for Soldiers.
Copied and pasted by someone who has no real clue the toll serving takes on military and their spouse and kids.

ROTFLMAO!!!
Sorry you don't like it.
The FACT remains, that the OP was very misleading re compensation.
It isn't that I don't like it.
I think they earn it.
And deserve it.
And more.
You posted it trying to slam the OP and our military.

Did I say they didn't earn it or deserve it? How am I slamming the military by pointing out that they make more via benefits than the $18,378 as claimed in the OP

Get help.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

You keep telling everyone who challenges you to "get help".

And yes, there are some benefits.

But again, you do not understand what you are talking about.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Well, I think part of the problem is that in past times, when companies were successful, there was more sharing of the wealth towards employees. Like car manufacturing became very good jobs. Does it take any "skill" to make hamburgers? Well, not necessarily, but somebody has to put in the time and effort to do it. Lots of jobs don't take any brain surgery type skills but that doesn't mean you should make squat to show up every day and put forth that effort to do a good job. So, yes, McDonalds has made a fortune and could choose to compensate their employees better. But, now the upper eschelon rakes off every dime. And, we see corporate raiders, business people who had NO investment of their time and energy in starting and developing a company, come in as some business savior, run the company into bankruptcy, then walk away with a golden parachute.
Capitalism without any JudeoChristian underpinnings is morally bankrupt. There has to be some notion that employers are fair and reasonable to employees who help make the company a success.
However, having said that, i am not in favor of random minimum wage laws. The market has to be the driver, not the govt. But, i find it very odd and curious that many of you in favor of minimum wage laws seem to have no problem pumping this country full of unskilled immigrant labor who "will do the jobs Americans won't do at subpar wages". So, if you want to DEPRESS wages, then yes, bring them in. You can't have it both ways.

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
MILITARY COMPENSATION: ARMY BENEFITS

IT’S MORE THAN JUST A SALARY

The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that the average active duty

service member receives an Army benefits and pay compensation package worth $99,000. Noncash compensation represents almost 60 percent of this package. Noncash compensation includes health care, retirement pay, child care and free or subsidized food, housing and education. Coupled with regular cash compensation, this adds up to attractive military compensation for Soldiers.
That is simply a foolish post. If they don't put in their 20 years--then they get ZERO retirement. There are many other factors that go into some of the benefits, as well--especially the GI bill.

Gosh. Silly me. Do they also have to put in twenty years to get food and housing and health care and education and daycare?
Take it up with the US Army. I got it from their site.

The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that the average active duty
X
Active Duty is similar to working at a full-time civilian job.
Learn More

service member receives an Army benefits and pay compensation package worth $99,000. Noncash compensation represents almost 60 percent of this package. Noncash compensation includes health care, retirement pay, child care and free or subsidized food, housing and education. Coupled with regular cash compensation, this adds up to attractive military compensation for Soldiers.
http://www.goarmy.com/benefits/total-compensation.html

Yes, silly you. Most servicemen do not get all those benefits.

Unless you put in 20 years, the retirement is zero.

College help has many restrictions, so many do not get that.

They don't all get child care or food.

Tangerine · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
MILITARY COMPENSATION: ARMY BENEFITS

IT’S MORE THAN JUST A SALARY

The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that the average active duty

service member receives an Army benefits and pay compensation package worth $99,000. Noncash compensation represents almost 60 percent of this package. Noncash compensation includes health care, retirement pay, child care and free or subsidized food, housing and education. Coupled with regular cash compensation, this adds up to attractive military compensation for Soldiers.
That is simply a foolish post. If they don't put in their 20 years--then they get ZERO retirement. There are many other factors that go into some of the benefits, as well--especially the GI bill.

Gosh. Silly me. Do they also have to put in twenty years to get food and housing and health care and education and daycare?
Take it up with the US Army. I got it from their site.

The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that the average active duty
X
Active Duty is similar to working at a full-time civilian job.
Learn More

service member receives an Army benefits and pay compensation package worth $99,000. Noncash compensation represents almost 60 percent of this package. Noncash compensation includes health care, retirement pay, child care and free or subsidized food, housing and education. Coupled with regular cash compensation, this adds up to attractive military compensation for Soldiers.
http://www.goarmy.com/benefits/total-compensation.html

Yes, silly you. Most servicemen do not get all those benefits.
Unless you put in 20 years, the retirement is zero.
College help has many restrictions, so many do not get that.
They don't all get child care or food.

I'm going to have agree that the benefits don't always include retirement and college tuition, it depends on your contract.

However, every person in the military is entitled to free food and housing- provided that they choose to eat in the mess hall and live in the barracks.

huskerbb · Guru

Tangerine wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
MILITARY COMPENSATION: ARMY BENEFITS

IT’S MORE THAN JUST A SALARY

The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that the average active duty

service member receives an Army benefits and pay compensation package worth $99,000. Noncash compensation represents almost 60 percent of this package. Noncash compensation includes health care, retirement pay, child care and free or subsidized food, housing and education. Coupled with regular cash compensation, this adds up to attractive military compensation for Soldiers.
That is simply a foolish post. If they don't put in their 20 years--then they get ZERO retirement. There are many other factors that go into some of the benefits, as well--especially the GI bill.

Gosh. Silly me. Do they also have to put in twenty years to get food and housing and health care and education and daycare?
Take it up with the US Army. I got it from their site.

The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that the average active duty
X
Active Duty is similar to working at a full-time civilian job.
Learn More

service member receives an Army benefits and pay compensation package worth $99,000. Noncash compensation represents almost 60 percent of this package. Noncash compensation includes health care, retirement pay, child care and free or subsidized food, housing and education. Coupled with regular cash compensation, this adds up to attractive military compensation for Soldiers.
http://www.goarmy.com/benefits/total-compensation.html

Yes, silly you. Most servicemen do not get all those benefits.
Unless you put in 20 years, the retirement is zero.
College help has many restrictions, so many do not get that.
They don't all get child care or food.

I'm going to have agree that the benefits don't always include retirement and college tuition, it depends on your contract.
However, every person in the military is entitled to free food and housing- provided that they choose to eat in the mess hall and live in the barracks.

Which many do not do, especially if they have families.

Tangerine · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Tangerine wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
MILITARY COMPENSATION: ARMY BENEFITS

IT’S MORE THAN JUST A SALARY

The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that the average active duty

service member receives an Army benefits and pay compensation package worth $99,000. Noncash compensation represents almost 60 percent of this package. Noncash compensation includes health care, retirement pay, child care and free or subsidized food, housing and education. Coupled with regular cash compensation, this adds up to attractive military compensation for Soldiers.
That is simply a foolish post. If they don't put in their 20 years--then they get ZERO retirement. There are many other factors that go into some of the benefits, as well--especially the GI bill.

Gosh. Silly me. Do they also have to put in twenty years to get food and housing and health care and education and daycare?
Take it up with the US Army. I got it from their site.

The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that the average active duty
X
Active Duty is similar to working at a full-time civilian job.
Learn More

service member receives an Army benefits and pay compensation package worth $99,000. Noncash compensation represents almost 60 percent of this package. Noncash compensation includes health care, retirement pay, child care and free or subsidized food, housing and education. Coupled with regular cash compensation, this a

Yes, silly you. Most servicemen do not get all those benefits.
Unless you put in 20 years, the retirement is zero.
College help has many restrictions, so many do not get that.
They don't all get child care or food.

I'm going to have agree that the benefits don't always include retirement and college tuition, it depends on your contract.
However, every person in the military is entitled to free food and housing- provided that they choose to eat in the mess hall and live in the barracks.
Which many do not do, especially if they have families.

That is very true, but that is a choice they have made to forgo a benefit.

huskerbb · Guru

Tangerine wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Tangerine wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
MILITARY COMPENSATION: ARMY BENEFITS

IT’S MORE THAN JUST A SALARY

The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that the average active duty

service member receives an Army benefits and pay compensation package worth $99,000. Noncash compensation represents almost 60 percent of this package. Noncash compensation includes health care, retirement pay, child care and free or subsidized food, housing and education. Coupled with regular cash compensation, this adds up to attractive military compensation for Soldiers.
That is simply a foolish post. If they don't put in their 20 years--then they get ZERO retirement. There are many other factors that go into some of the benefits, as well--especially the GI bill.

Gosh. Silly me. Do they also have to put in twenty years to get food and housing and health care and education and daycare?
Take it up with the US Army. I got it from their site.

The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that the average active duty
X
Active Duty is similar to working at a full-time civilian job.
Learn More

service member receives an Army benefits and pay compensation package worth $99,000. Noncash compensation represents almost 60 percent of this package. Noncash compensation includes health care, retirement pay, child care and free or subsidized food, housing and education. Coupled with regular cash compensation, this a

Yes, silly you. Most servicemen do not get all those benefits.
Unless you put in 20 years, the retirement is zero.
College help has many restrictions, so many do not get that.
They don't all get child care or food.

I'm going to have agree that the benefits don't always include retirement and college tuition, it depends on your contract.
However, every person in the military is entitled to free food and housing- provided that they choose to eat in the mess hall and live in the barracks.
Which many do not do, especially if they have families.
That is very true, but that is a choice they have made to forgo a benefit.

So is working a minimum wage job.

Tangerine · Guru

Also true.
For the record, I don't think the minimum wage should be raised to $15.
I just took issue with the distorted facts presented in the OP.
I've seen it all over Facebook and the figures cited are misleading.

huskerbb · Guru

Tangerine wrote:
Also true.
For the record, I don't think the minimum wage should be raised to $15.
I just took issue with the distorted facts presented in the OP.
I've seen it all over Facebook and the figures cited are misleading.

They aren't as misleading as you think.

Yes, there are benefits to the military, but they are grossly overstated for most military members in the information I was responding to. Yes, if you put in your 20, and can take advantage of their college programs, that is one thing--but most won't or can't. Now, in most cases that may be a choice, but then you can't argue that the government should bail minimum wage workers out of their choices, either.

Plus, that doesn't even take into account the relative "value" of the jobs to society. Fast food jobs are paid about what they are worth, maybe even more. Even if you can make that same argument about the military, that is still NOT an argument for raising the minimum wage.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I do not think minimum wage should be $15, but if it is going to be anywhere - California is the place. They have a horribly high cost of living.

Perhaps a better comparison is against teacher salaries. There are states that don't pay teachers that salary starting out.

And California only pays their teachers about $41K to start.

And social workers? They make a starting salary of about $30K in most states. Where's the incentive to do THAT job when they can have a care-free, no responsibility job? California is higher, but most of their social workers have to get master's degrees.

How anyone could think no-skill labor deserves a salary of $31,200 when some college educated people don't get that is crazy.

huskerbb · Guru

Also, you know what? If all these people making minimum wage think that they deserve more compared to the guys and gals in the military--then they can join the military. Problem solved.

Cheerios4606 · Guru

I can see $9 or $10, but not one red cent more.

jlbear71 · Guru

Tangerine wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Tangerine wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
MILITARY COMPENSATION: ARMY BENEFITS

IT’S MORE THAN JUST A SALARY

The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that the average active duty

service member receives an Army benefits and pay compensation package worth $99,000. Noncash compensation represents almost 60 percent of this package. Noncash compensation includes health care, retirement pay, child care and free or subsidized food, housing and education. Coupled with regular cash compensation, this adds up to attractive military compensation for Soldiers.
That is simply a foolish post. If they don't put in their 20 years--then they get ZERO retirement. There are many other factors that go into some of the benefits, as well--especially the GI bill.

Gosh. Silly me. Do they also have to put in twenty years to get food and housing and health care and education and daycare?
Take it up with the US Army. I got it from their site.

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service member receives an Army benefits and pay compensation package worth $99,000. Noncash compensation represents almost 60 percent of this package. Noncash compensation includes health care, retirement pay, child care and free or subsidized food, housing and education. Coupled with regular cash compensation, this a

Yes, silly you. Most servicemen do not get all those benefits.
Unless you put in 20 years, the retirement is zero.
College help has many restrictions, so many do not get that.
They don't all get child care or food.

I'm going to have agree that the benefits don't always include retirement and college tuition, it depends on your contract.
However, every person in the military is entitled to free food and housing- provided that they choose to eat in the mess hall and live in the barracks.
Which many do not do, especially if they have families.
That is very true, but that is a choice they have made to forgo a benefit.

They do not forgo a benefit. Military member who choose (for whatever reason) to not live in the barracks receive BAH.

Basic Allowance for Housing (BAH)

The Basic Allowance for Housing (BAH) is a U.S. based allowance prescribed by geographic duty location, pay grade, and dependency status. It provides uniformed Service members equitable housing compensation based on housing costs in local civilian housing markets within the United States when government quarters are not provided. A uniformed service member stationed outside the U.S., including U.S. territories and possessions, not furnished government housing, is eligible for Overseas Housing Allowance (OHA).

BAH Rates

For a complete listing of BAH rates, see BAH Rates for All Locations. Service members can calculate their individual BAH rates using the BAH Calculator.

Beginning with the 2012 BAH rates, the Department is publishing the average percentage breakdown between rent, utilities and renters insurance for each Military Housing Area. This additional information will assist Service members with making informed housing choices when relocating to a new area.

BAH Component Breakdown for All Locations