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Widespread myths can prevent you from knowing who’s at risk…

The instinct to live is hardwired in us. That’s why suicidal tendencies can be so difficult—even impossible—to grasp for people who have never felt a desire to die. The more we do know, however, the better able we are to reach out to people who are at risk of dying by suicide. To better understand suicide, it’s important to know the truth behind several long-standing myths…

MYTH: Suicide is an act of anger or revenge. Only 10% to 12% of suicides contain an element of anger or revenge. Unfortunately, these tend to draw media attention, painting all suicides with the same brush. In truth, the tendency to die by suicide can most often be attributed to two simultaneously occurring beliefs—the sense that one is a burden…and that one doesn’t belong. People considering suicide often think of themselves as a liability for their families, along the lines of They’d be better off without me. When accompanied by a lack of belongingness—a sense of loneliness and social alienation—the result can be lethal.

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MYTH: Suicide is an easy escape, one that cowards use. Suicide is very difficult to accomplish—only one death occurs for every 20 attempts. Combat soldiers and policemen, who require physical fearlessness in their work, for example, are at high suicide risk. When they experience feelings of alienation and being a burden, their bravery can turn deadly. Physicians and dentists, in particular, are also at high risk—they are so exposed to pain and injury every day that they can become inured to the natural human aversion to taking one’s own life.

MYTH: People often die by suicide on a whim. When standing on top of a roof, many people experience a fleeting thought along the lines of What if I jumped? When driving a car around a sharp bend, a similar thought might occur—What if I drove off the road? It can feel like you had a sudden whim to end it all—but that’s not what’s happening.

That impulse is called the high-place phenomenon. It’s considered to be an instinctual safety signal that causes one to pay greater attention and take precautions—for example, to back up from the rooftop. Moments later, though, your slower perceptual system kicks in and misattributes the safety signal as a kind of a death wish. It’s nothing of the sort. Our studies have shown that the high-place phenomenon is, in fact, an urge to live, not die. By contrast, taking one’s own life is usually preceded by detailed planning and resolve.

MYTH: Unless you’re depressed, you’re not at risk for suicide. While depression is a significant risk factor for suicide, it is not the only one. Mental disorders such as anorexia nervosa, schizophrenia and borderline personality disorder increase suicide risk. Additional risk factors include stressful life events (such as a death, divorce or job loss), access to firearms and historical factors, including a family history of suicide, previous attempts and childhood abuse. More than one in 10 suicides are related to chronic or terminal illness.

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MYTH: Most people who die by suicide leave a note. Seventy-five percent of people who kill themselves don’t leave a note or other message for loved ones. Unfortunately, that helps fuel the incorrect notion that the act was impulsive.

To understand why notes are so rare, remember that people who are considering suicide are typically in a state of misery and isolation, which makes it very hard to communicate. Those who do leave notes tend to provide factual instructions about day-to-day matters rather than an emotional missive.

MYTH: Suicidal behavior peaks around the end-of-year holidays.  In fact, suicides tend to occur in the spring. That’s true around the world. Why? The explanation that I favor comes back to the idea that suicide requires a great deal of resolve and focus. In the spring, all living things—human, animal, even plant—become more energetic. For most people that’s a good thing, but a small percentage experience symptoms such as agitation, edginess and trouble sleeping. This clinical state of overarousal, combined with alienation and burdensomeness, is correlated with higher rates of suicides during the spring.

MYTH: There are more suicides in big cities than in rural areas. Not true. People who live in rural counties are 70% more likely to die by suicide than those who live in big, metropolitan areas. The reason may be that rural residents hold more physical occupations, which often go hand-in-hand with a higher level of everyday fearlessness. Another factor may be that they live far from their neighbors, resulting in social isolation. The lack of easy access to doctors and other medical professionals may also contribute.

MYTH: If people want to die by suicide, we can’t stop them. A landmark study found that 94% of people who were restrained from jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco were still alive decades later or had died from natural causes. This was true even though they had high-risk characteristics that suggest a determined mind-set—most were men (who are at greater risk than women)…had chosen a highly lethal method (jumping from a high structure)…and were rarely referred to mental health treatment after being restrained (unfortunate but not uncommon). Yet nearly all of them chose to keep on living. This suggests that intervention can save lives.

If you or a loved one is considering suicide or shows suicidal tendencies, there is help available! The suicide hot line 800-273-TALK is a great resource—callers speak with a trained crisis worker who listens to their problems and then provides information on mental health services in the caller’s area.

Another good option: Reaching out to a primary care physician who can prescribe medication and/or recommend a mental health professional.

 



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BS. It is a cowardly act. Bravery means facing your problems, getting help if needed, facing your loved ones when you feel that you've disappointed them.

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Try turning off your pre-judgement mindset, and reading the article again.

 



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Try turning off your pre-judgement mindset, and reading the article again.

 


 I read it.  I don't agree with the part I responded to.  It's BS. 



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I agree, it is a cowardly act.

The hardest thing to do is face your problems.

Walking through it is always harder than quitting.

Those who do walk through their problems are called survivors for a reason.



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Depression caused by a chemical imbalance is a hard thing to deal with.



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It is. Not saying it isnt.



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There is a big difference between clinical depression and depression caused by circumstances. A lot of us only understand circumstantial depression.

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Well, husker you can call it 'cowardly" or whatever you wish to call it. But, in my experience, there are a lot of IMPULSE suicides. Now, do we really know if they are planned events or not? No. Of course we don't. But the suicides that i am acquainted with seem to be very impulsive and rash and a decision of the moment of intense pain or bleakness. No notes, no evidence of planning, etc.

As for me, it left me very angry with the "how could you's". However in reality, i came to the understanding that for the person In That Moment, that Seemed to them, to be literally the ONLY option. We don't know what goes thru someone's mind. But, for those of us who have loved someone who has done that, we can still love them and understand that they didn't intend to hurt any of us, they only intended to stop the pain. So, call it whatever you want Husker and go pat yourself on the back as some kind of "bigger" person.

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Well, husker you can call it 'cowardly" or whatever you wish to call it. But, in my experience, there are a lot of IMPULSE suicides. Now, do we really know if they are planned events or not? No. Of course we don't. But the suicides that i am acquainted with seem to be very impulsive and rash and a decision of the moment of intense pain or bleakness. No notes, no evidence of planning, etc.

As for me, it left me very angry with the "how could you's". However in reality, i came to the understanding that for the person In That Moment, that Seemed to them, to be literally the ONLY option. We don't know what goes thru someone's mind. But, for those of us who have loved someone who has done that, we can still love them and understand that they didn't intend to hurt any of us, they only intended to stop the pain. So, call it whatever you want Husker and go pat yourself on the back as some kind of "bigger" person.


 But they do--and if they were thinking of anyone other than themselves, they wouldn't have done it.  



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Thats not always true. Some people kill themselves because they truly believe their family would be better off without them. And sometimes, thats true...

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Thats not always true. Some people kill themselves because they truly believe their family would be better off without them. And sometimes, thats true...


 Well, I can't argue with that.  But I wouldn't say that is generally the case.  



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Well, husker you can call it 'cowardly" or whatever you wish to call it. But, in my experience, there are a lot of IMPULSE suicides. Now, do we really know if they are planned events or not? No. Of course we don't. But the suicides that i am acquainted with seem to be very impulsive and rash and a decision of the moment of intense pain or bleakness. No notes, no evidence of planning, etc.

As for me, it left me very angry with the "how could you's". However in reality, i came to the understanding that for the person In That Moment, that Seemed to them, to be literally the ONLY option. We don't know what goes thru someone's mind. But, for those of us who have loved someone who has done that, we can still love them and understand that they didn't intend to hurt any of us, they only intended to stop the pain. So, call it whatever you want Husker and go pat yourself on the back as some kind of "bigger" person.


 But they do--and if they were thinking of anyone other than themselves, they wouldn't have done it.  


   And, we have all done things thinking of ourselves.  Not sure of your point exactly.  Whether they would have done it, if they could have stepped back from the situation, then maybe they would not have.  However, at that moment, that person could not for whatever reason.  We don't really know do we?  



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No, not "could not"--they chose not to do so. It's not some inevitability. It's a choice.

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husker,

You never disappoint..."Cowardly?" There are many reasons for suicide.

Life in your world is Black and White, however...

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You never disappoint..."Cowardly?" There are many reasons for suicide.

Life in your world is Black and White, however...

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 The reason doesn't matter.  



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You never disappoint..."Cowardly?" There are many reasons for suicide.

Life in your world is Black and White, however...

flan


 The reason doesn't matter.  


 This from a man who doesn't seem to "believe" in clinical depression.

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so sad to see life is only black and white to some.

this is such a complex issue.

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I very seldom chime in here....My brother committed suicide when he was 21, I was 15. This was a young man with a diagnosed genius IQ, yet no social skills, perhaps thanks to a bio mom who rejected him from birth. He tried everything to gain attention, doing criminal activities that landed him much jail time, although petty crimes, mostly against his family and siblings. There is much to this story, and it took me a long time to get over his 'selfish act'; until I realized that he did everything he knew how to reach out, to be accepted, and due to many ****ty things in life, that did not happen. He and his girlfriend were playing chess one night and decided this was the time.....they went behind police station in Vancouver, took their pills, he died, she did not. It took me very long time to accept what he did, not because of his weakness, but because he tried so hard, yes, maybe by doing bizarre things for attention, until he had nothing left left. I am not a religious person, but I hope that whatever may be after this life, that we reconnect.....I was his last phone call. I guess I am saying that we should not judge......

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I'm so sorry pepper🌷

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Everything is always black or white with husker. No grey for him.

A severe clinical depression may make you feel like you're at the bottom of a deep, dark pit, with virtually no light at the end of the tunnel and no hope of escape.
Sometimes, suicide seems like the only way out.
I don't expect someone like that to stop and think, 'Oh, wait...I should take the pistol out of my mouth, wallow in this pit forever and suffer without end.
God forbid I hurt somebody's feelings!"
People do what they feel they have to do.

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Ohfour wrote:

Thats not always true. Some people kill themselves because they truly believe their family would be better off without them. And sometimes, thats true...


 Well, if their family has told them over and over they'd be better off without them then I guess suicide is not a sign of cowardice.  I'd say it's then it's a very brave act to make your family happy finally.



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I have very mixed feelings about suicide.

My youngest step-daughter tried to commit suicide by slashing her femoral artery. Her sister found her; called 911; the responding deputy believed her tale that the blood on her bed was from her period; deputy left and just filed a "no-cause" report.
During the night, she stole a gun, and went behind a storage shed and shot herself, leaving a note. She was found the next day.
She (as well as all of her 4 sisters & 1 brother) had many psychological and emotional problems, stemming from the abuse of their birth mother, none of which late DH was aware of. DD was married 4 times, always looking for someone to take care of her, plus 3 different live-ins. Her 3 children (3 different fathers) all have major problems (strip dancer, convicted pedophile, helicopter mother) - so I guess some of the problems are inherited.

Youngest attempted suicide previously, but because the "system" didn't have the resources, she didn't get the help she needed, and DH and I were totally uneducated on how to help her.

I believe someone must be in the depths of deep despair to attempt suicide - either as a true attempt or as a desperate plea for attention/help.



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Thank you for sharing your story, Pepper.

That's one reason I cringe at threads like these. Callous comments hurt people who have experienced a loss through suicide...but it's so damn easy to sit on your high horse & judge us mere humans.

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Everything is always black or white with husker. No grey for him.

A severe clinical depression may make you feel like you're at the bottom of a deep, dark pit, with virtually no light at the end of the tunnel and no hope of escape.
Sometimes, suicide seems like the only way out.
I don't expect someone like that to stop and think, 'Oh, wait...I should take the pistol out of my mouth, wallow in this pit forever and suffer without end.
God forbid I hurt somebody's feelings!"
People do what they feel they have to do.


   Well, it doesn't need to be "Either/Or' Welts.  It doens't need to be "kill yourself or suffer in the pit of despair in life without end".  What is needed is the recognition that there are some people who need mental health services.



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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:

Everything is always black or white with husker. No grey for him.

A severe clinical depression may make you feel like you're at the bottom of a deep, dark pit, with virtually no light at the end of the tunnel and no hope of escape.
Sometimes, suicide seems like the only way out.
I don't expect someone like that to stop and think, 'Oh, wait...I should take the pistol out of my mouth, wallow in this pit forever and suffer without end.
God forbid I hurt somebody's feelings!"
People do what they feel they have to do.


   Well, it doesn't need to be "Either/Or' Welts.  It doens't need to be "kill yourself or suffer in the pit of despair in life without end".  What is needed is the recognition that there are some people who need mental health services.


 But when you are in the depths of despair, you truly believe you don't deserve help.

flan



-- Edited by flan327 on Monday 11th of April 2016 07:23:51 AM

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flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:

Everything is always black or white with husker. No grey for him.

A severe clinical depression may make you feel like you're at the bottom of a deep, dark pit, with virtually no light at the end of the tunnel and no hope of escape.
Sometimes, suicide seems like the only way out.
I don't expect someone like that to stop and think, 'Oh, wait...I should take the pistol out of my mouth, wallow in this pit forever and suffer without end.
God forbid I hurt somebody's feelings!"
People do what they feel they have to do.


   Well, it doesn't need to be "Either/Or' Welts.  It doens't need to be "kill yourself or suffer in the pit of despair in life without end".  What is needed is the recognition that there are some people who need mental health services.


 But when you are in the depths of despair, you truly believe you don't deserve help.

flan



-- Edited by flan327 on Monday 11th of April 2016 07:23:51 AM


 I understand that.  But i said it isn't Either/OR.  And, we need to help someone beyond that point, not just hand them a gun.



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Yes, LGS, I agree.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:

Everything is always black or white with husker. No grey for him.

A severe clinical depression may make you feel like you're at the bottom of a deep, dark pit, with virtually no light at the end of the tunnel and no hope of escape.
Sometimes, suicide seems like the only way out.
I don't expect someone like that to stop and think, 'Oh, wait...I should take the pistol out of my mouth, wallow in this pit forever and suffer without end.
God forbid I hurt somebody's feelings!"
People do what they feel they have to do.


   Well, it doesn't need to be "Either/Or' Welts.  It doens't need to be "kill yourself or suffer in the pit of despair in life without end".  What is needed is the recognition that there are some people who need mental health services.


 But when you are in the depths of despair, you truly believe you don't deserve help.

flan



-- Edited by flan327 on Monday 11th of April 2016 07:23:51 AM


 I understand that.  But i said it isn't Either/OR.  And, we need to help someone beyond that point, not just hand them a gun.


 This. Most posters are treating it as some sort of inevitable thing.



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