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So Harriet Tubman will replace Andrew Jackson on the $20 bill.



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I'm ok with that.

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Do we all get a "sample" of the new bill?????

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but... but I LIKE andrew jackson. :'(

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Andrew Jackson was a huge proponent of democracy-taking power away from establishment and giving it to the ordinary people.

Personally, I see this is yet another step towards the demise of the values upon which this country was formed. Not trying to disparage Harriet Tubman, but find another way to honor her memory, IMO.

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Andrew Jackson was a huge proponent of democracy-taking power away from establishment and giving it to the ordinary people.

Personally, I see this is yet another step towards the demise of the values upon which this country was formed. Not trying to disparage Harriet Tubman, but find another way to honor her memory, IMO.


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I thought they were going to replace Alexander Hamilton on the $10 bill, which would have been better.

But, out of all the others, Andrew Jackson is probably the least offensive to replace. And it's past time a woman was put on currency.


United States currency notes now in production bear the following portraits: George Washington on the $1 bill, Thomas Jefferson on the $2 bill, Abraham Lincoln on the $5 bill, Alexander Hamilton on the $10 bill, Andrew Jackson on the $20 bill, Ulysses S. Grant on the $50 bill, and Benjamin Franklin on the $100 bill.Dec 1, 2015

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Is the new currency still going to be paper/cotton? Or polymer?

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Yeah, that will be next. Use of cotton will be outlawed as discrimination.

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Yeah, that will be next. Use of cotton will be outlawed as discrimination.


Right?

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Hadn't heard about that. Sheesh. Not surprising though.

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I must've missed something. Why is Jackson being replaced? Did he offend the PC crowd or something?

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Not sure. I think they just want a woman on the bill, and who better than a black slave woman to fill the bill. Next they'll want to put Bruce/Caitlin Jenner on the $100.

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Well, Andrew Jackson was a southerner.



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Replacing his image doesn't erase history ...

But you knew that.

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I must've missed something. Why is Jackson being replaced? Did he offend the PC crowd or something?


 Well, he did own 150 slaves.  

Although he was well known as a "kinder" slave owner, stating slaves should be well taken care of and worked only moderately.  When his overseer killed one of his slaves, he tried to have him prosecuted for murder.  It didn't get anywhere, of course.  As much as Jackson might have considered his slave a person, the public did not. 

 

I do not think it a fair process to convict people in history by the standards we hold today.  

 

 

But, it is probably the reason he was replaced instead of Alexander Hamilton, who is also a Founding Father.  I mean, you are not going to replace George Washington or Thomas Jefferson or Abraham Lincoln or Benjamin Franklin - you just are not.  So, it came down to Hamilton, Grant, and Jackson.  



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Not sure. I think they just want a woman on the bill, and who better than a black slave woman to fill the bill. Next they'll want to put Bruce/Caitlin Jenner on the $100.


 There was actually a poll taken.  

 

Andrew Jackson, meet Wilma Mankiller.

A group pushing to replace Jackson on the $20 bill with a woman has narrowed it down to four potential candidates - including a famous female Native American chief.

 

The final cut of Eleanor Roosevelt, Harriet Tubman, Rosa Parks and Mankiller were selected by more than 250,000 voters in an online poll from a field of 15 famous American women, according to Women On 20s.

The group, which also goes by W20, is lobbying to put one of these women on the $20 bill by 2020, the 100th anniversary off the ratification of the 19th amendment, which granted women the right to vote.

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Roosevelt, Tubman and Parks emerged at the top of the balloting. Mankiller, a Cherokee Chief who received the Medal of Freedom in 1998, was added to have a Native American woman in the running. Mankiller died in 2010.

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Among the original candidates who did not make the final four was Susan B. Anthony. The leader of the women's suffrage movement in the 1800's appeared on the dollar coin before she was replaced with an image of Sacagawea, a Native American woman who helped the explorers Lewis and Clark.

But there are still no women on U.S. paper currency and W20 is petitioning the president and Congress to change that.

"We believe this simple, symbolic and long-overdue change could be an important stepping stone for other initiatives promoting gender equality," the group says on its website. "Our money does say something about us, about what we value."

Meanwhile, the $10 bill - which features Alexander Hamilton - is on track for a makeover. A redesigned version is set to enter circulation in 2020, according to the Treasury Department.

 
 


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I must've missed something. Why is Jackson being replaced? Did he offend the PC crowd or something?


 Well, he did own 150 slaves.  

Although he was well known as a "kinder" slave owner, stating slaves should be well taken care of and worked only moderately.  When his overseer killed one of his slaves, he tried to have him prosecuted for murder.  It didn't get anywhere, of course.  As much as Jackson might have considered his slave a person, the public did not. 

 

I do not think it a fair process to convict people in history by the standards we hold today.  

 

 

But, it is probably the reason he was replaced instead of Alexander Hamilton, who is also a Founding Father.  I mean, you are not going to replace George Washington or Thomas Jefferson or Abraham Lincoln or Benjamin Franklin - you just are not.  So, it came down to Hamilton, Grant, and Jackson.  


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It looks like Eleanor Roosevelt will replace Hamilton on the $10 come 2020.

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Ahhh - here it is. I knew she had won a poll.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-05-12/harriet-tubman-wins-poll-for-first-woman-on-the-20-bill



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I vote to leave the money as is.

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Harriet Tubman will become first African-American on U.S. currency: Escaped slave and hero of the Underground Railroad is set to replace Andrew Jackson on the $20 bill

  • The Treasury originally planned to replace Alexander Hamilton on the $10 bill with a woman 
  • But in an announcement on Wednesday, officials said they are keeping Hamilton and getting rid of Andrew Jackson on the $20  
  • Tubman was born a slave, escaped and then risked her life by returning to the South to lead others to freedom on the Underground Railroad

 

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Harriet Tubman will become the first woman on U.S. currency, Treasury Secretary Jack Lew announced on Wednesday. 

Tubman will replace Andrew Jackson, the nation's seventh president, on the $20 bill.

Tubman, who was born into slavery in the early part of the 19th century, escaped and then used the network of antislavery activists and safe houses known as the Underground Railroad to transport other slaves to freedom. After the Civil War, Tubman, who died in 1913, became active in the campaign for women's suffrage. 

This file photo taken on April 29, 2015 shows an image provided by the 'Women On 20's' organization featuring abolitionist Harriet Tubman on the U.S. twenty dollar bill.   Celebrated former U.S. slave Harriet Tubman will replace President Andrew Jackson on the $20 banknote, the first time an African-American has been featured on US money, a Treasury official said April 20, 2016

This file photo taken on April 29, 2015 shows an image provided by the 'Women On 20's' organization featuring abolitionist Harriet Tubman on the U.S. twenty dollar bill. Celebrated former U.S. slave Harriet Tubman will replace President Andrew Jackson on the $20 banknote, the first time an African-American has been featured on US money, a Treasury official said April 20, 2016

Last year, the treasury announced plans to replace Alexander Hamilton, the nation's first secretary of the treasury, on the $10 bill with a woman.

Tubman escaped slavery but then returned to the South to lead other slaves to freedom 

Tubman escaped slavery but then returned to the South to lead other slaves to freedom 

But they have now decided to keep Hamilton after both Hamilton supporters and women's groups championed for the the $20 bill to be changed to incorporate a woman instead.  

In the past year, Hamilton has undergone a revival in popularity, with the success of Lin-Manuel Miranda's Pulitzer-prize winning Broadway musical named after the founding father.

Jackson, meanwhile, is a more complicated figure, and there is no doubt some symbolism in the former president - a slave owner -  being replaced by a woman who was born into slavery.

When it was announced last year that the treasury would be printing a woman on U.S. currency for the first time in history, a women's group called Women on 20s organized a survey to select an appropriate figure. 

Over the course of 10 weeks, the group collected 600,000 votes and Tubman came out on top. 

Civil rights hero Rosa Parks, former first lady Eleanor Roosevelt and Wilma Mankiller - the first female chief of the Cherokee Nation - were among some of the other popular figures in the vote.

The $5 bill will also undergo change. The illustration of the Lincoln Memorial on the back of the will be redesigned to honor 'events at the Lincoln Memorial that helped to shape our history and our democracy.' The new image will include civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr., Eleanor Roosevelt and Marian Anderson.

The treasury originally planned to replace Alexander Hamilton on the $10 bill with a woman. But now they are replacing Andrew Jackson on the $20 bill with Tubman, and keeping Hamilton as is 

The treasury originally planned to replace Alexander Hamilton on the $10 bill with a woman. But now they are replacing Andrew Jackson on the $20 bill with Tubman, and keeping Hamilton as is 

The $10 bill is the next note on Treasury's redesign calendar, and it aims introduce updated protections against counterfeiting. That redesign was scheduled to be unveiled in 2020, which marks the 100th anniversary of women gaining the right to vote. Lew had often cited that connection as a reason to put a woman on the $10 bill.

Various groups have been campaigning to get a woman honored on the nation's paper currency, which has been an all-male domain for more than a century.

The last woman featured on U.S. paper money was Martha Washington, who was on a dollar silver certificate from 1891 to 1896. The only other woman ever featured on U.S. paper money was Pocahontas, from 1865 to 1869. Susan B. Anthony and Sacagawea are on dollar coins.



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Traditionally, only Presidents are supposed to be on the currency. So, I really don't agree with this. But, for the most part i don't care. And, now it will turn political and then we will have to Margaret Sanger on a bill and who knows who? I think they should have put Obama on it instead.

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Well at least it wasn't Hillary Clinton or Oprah!

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Traditionally, only Presidents are supposed to be on the currency. So, I really don't agree with this. But, for the most part i don't care. And, now it will turn political and then we will have to Margaret Sanger on a bill and who knows who? I think they should have put Obama on it instead.


What?  Not really...

Ben Franklin...Alexander Hamilton?



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I don't care if women are on the money.

I don't care who they put on it.

As long as it is people with substance.

But really, how much longer are they going to actually print money?

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A poll among whom? White House staffers? The good people of Chicago? Black Lives Matter?

Again, not to disparage Tubman, but c'mon.

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A poll among whom? White House staffers? The good people of Chicago? Black Lives Matter?

Again, not to disparage Tubman, but c'mon.


 It was online.  I voted in it.



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Traditionally, only Presidents are supposed to be on the currency. So, I really don't agree with this. But, for the most part i don't care. And, now it will turn political and then we will have to Margaret Sanger on a bill and who knows who? I think they should have put Obama on it instead.


What?  Not really...

Ben Franklin...Alexander Hamilton?


 Do you know how many people think Benjamin Franklin was a president?



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Sorry. i didnt see that when i posted.

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I know. I was teasing.

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The name of this thread is better though. (sorry FWM)

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

The name of this thread is better though. (sorry FWM)


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You meant, FNW? Right?

I haven't posted on this thread.

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Tubman will be on the front with jackson on the back.
www.vox.com/2016/4/20/11469442/harriet-tubman-andrew-jackson-20-dollar-bill



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There is now way that Harriet Tubman can remotely be seen as making the same level of contributions to this nation as Andrew Jackson--or any other president, for that matter.

This is a PC farce.

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There is now way that Harriet Tubman can remotely be seen as making the same level of contributions to this nation as Andrew Jackson--or any other president, for that matter.

This is a PC farce.


 No woman could at that time.  Women were not allowed to vote or own property, remember?  The fact that a black woman was able to accomplish anything at all was a miracle in and of itself.  



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There is now way that Harriet Tubman can remotely be seen as making the same level of contributions to this nation as Andrew Jackson--or any other president, for that matter.

This is a PC farce.


 No woman could at that time.  Women were not allowed to vote or own property, remember?  The fact that a black woman was able to accomplish anything at all was a miracle in and of itself.  


 Seriously. Let's zap you back in time, husker and see how you do as a Black female.

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I think it's long past time for a woman to be on at least one denomination.

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There is now way that Harriet Tubman can remotely be seen as making the same level of contributions to this nation as Andrew Jackson--or any other president, for that matter.

This is a PC farce.


 No woman could at that time.  Women were not allowed to vote or own property, remember?  The fact that a black woman was able to accomplish anything at all was a miracle in and of itself.  


 So what?  That is one fact that does not change in any way the FACT that I stated.



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There is now way that Harriet Tubman can remotely be seen as making the same level of contributions to this nation as Andrew Jackson--or any other president, for that matter.

This is a PC farce.


 No woman could at that time.  Women were not allowed to vote or own property, remember?  The fact that a black woman was able to accomplish anything at all was a miracle in and of itself.  


 So what?  That is one fact that does not change in any way the FACT that I stated.


 How's this?  So frickin' what?



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huskerbb wrote:

There is now way that Harriet Tubman can remotely be seen as making the same level of contributions to this nation as Andrew Jackson--or any other president, for that matter.

This is a PC farce.


 No woman could at that time.  Women were not allowed to vote or own property, remember?  The fact that a black woman was able to accomplish anything at all was a miracle in and of itself.  


 So what?  That is one fact that does not change in any way the FACT that I stated.


 How's this?  So frickin' what?


 its just stuoid to replace a major player in the history of our nation with one that is not.



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huskerbb wrote:

There is now way that Harriet Tubman can remotely be seen as making the same level of contributions to this nation as Andrew Jackson--or any other president, for that matter.

This is a PC farce.


 No woman could at that time.  Women were not allowed to vote or own property, remember?  The fact that a black woman was able to accomplish anything at all was a miracle in and of itself.  


 So what?  That is one fact that does not change in any way the FACT that I stated.


 How's this?  So frickin' what?


 its just stuoid to replace a major player in the history of our nation with one that is not.


 One that is not?  Are you kidding me?  Andrew Jackson was a rich man who got elected president.  Harriett Tubman escaped slavery, saved hundred of lives, and helped create one of the most useful tools for ending slavery.  All while being black and a woman while both of those types of people were oppressed by the men running the country.  

If she actually had any rights back then, she could have done more than all those men combined. 



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huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:

There is now way that Harriet Tubman can remotely be seen as making the same level of contributions to this nation as Andrew Jackson--or any other president, for that matter.

This is a PC farce.


 No woman could at that time.  Women were not allowed to vote or own property, remember?  The fact that a black woman was able to accomplish anything at all was a miracle in and of itself.  


 So what?  That is one fact that does not change in any way the FACT that I stated.


 How's this?  So frickin' what?


 its just stuoid to replace a major player in the history of our nation with one that is not.


 One that is not?  Are you kidding me?  Andrew Jackson was a rich man who got elected president.  Harriett Tubman escaped slavery, saved hundred of lives, and helped create one of the most useful tools for ending slavery.  All while being black and a woman while both of those types of people were oppressed by the men running the country.  

If she actually had any rights back then, she could have done more than all those men combined. 


 What ended slavery was the Civil War.



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Yes, the civil war just magically happened after no actions by anybody, and "poof" slavery ended.

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Yes, the civil war just magically happened after no actions by anybody, and "poof" slavery ended.


 No actions by anyone???  WTF are you babbling about?  Thousands of dead and maimed veterans would have disagreed that they took no actions.  



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