TOTALLY GEEKED!

weltschmerz · Guru

RE: An atheist mother writing in to Dear Carolyn

FNW · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Oh I got it!

Hey little Johnny, we're going to plant this tree over gramps and you can watch it grow as his body feeds it.

That's what we did with our dog. I know this is not the PC thing to say, but we don't pretend animals go to heaven like humans.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Children have a better understanding than we think.

They have more faith than we do.

The dilemma of the LW is their own inner struggle. They know there is more after death. They are having to face the reality of their lack of faith.

They know no such thing.
Don't presume to know what's going on in an atheist's head and their "inner struggle".
It's like me claiming that Christians have an inner struggle because they don't really believe in heaven, but hoping there is.
This is your first response? No advice for your fellow atheist?
How utterly rich and telling.

What are you blathering about NOW?

Each parent, no matter what they believe, will handle the situation differently.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

FNW wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Oh I got it!

Hey little Johnny, we're going to plant this tree over gramps and you can watch it grow as his body feeds it.

That's what we did with our dog. I know this is not the PC thing to say, but we don't pretend animals go to heaven like humans.

Seriously? That is a PC statement? I don't think so.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
Oh I got it!

Hey little Johnny, we're going to plant this tree over gramps and you can watch it grow as his body feeds it.

But THAT is the truth of what happens. Bodies decompose.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Oh I got it!

Hey little Johnny, we're going to plant this tree over gramps and you can watch it grow as his body feeds it.

But THAT is the truth of what happens. Bodies decompose.
flan

A person is not a body with a soul. A person is a soul with a body.

weltschmerz · Guru

FNW wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Oh I got it!

Hey little Johnny, we're going to plant this tree over gramps and you can watch it grow as his body feeds it.

That's what we did with our dog. I know this is not the PC thing to say, but we don't pretend animals go to heaven like humans.

Humans ARE animals.

Animals with bigger brains, but animals nonetheless.

FNW · Guru

I'm not sure I ever told this story...I probably have, but this reminds me of it. When MIL was dying, we took the boys to the hospital to see her. I had never been to this hospital before, and neither had the boys. We got out of the car and walked up and #1 stopped. He looked up, and said, "oh, I've been here before. When I was invisible. They took me here to show me who my daddy was going to be." I asked when this was, and he said it was when Daddy was born." I looked at DH and he confirmed that he was born at that hospital.

My son's soul was here long before I was.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
FNW wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Oh I got it!

Hey little Johnny, we're going to plant this tree over gramps and you can watch it grow as his body feeds it.

That's what we did with our dog. I know this is not the PC thing to say, but we don't pretend animals go to heaven like humans.
Humans ARE animals.
Animals with bigger brains, but animals nonetheless.

But humans have souls. At least some of us do...

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Children have a better understanding than we think.

They have more faith than we do.

The dilemma of the LW is their own inner struggle. They know there is more after death. They are having to face the reality of their lack of faith.

They know no such thing.
Don't presume to know what's going on in an atheist's head and their "inner struggle".
It's like me claiming that Christians have an inner struggle because they don't really believe in heaven, but hoping there is.
This is your first response? No advice for your fellow atheist?
How utterly rich and telling.
Right...because the LW is reading this thread.

Who cares?

Enlighten us with your wisdom.

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Children have a better understanding than we think.

They have more faith than we do.

The dilemma of the LW is their own inner struggle. They know there is more after death. They are having to face the reality of their lack of faith.

They know no such thing.
Don't presume to know what's going on in an atheist's head and their "inner struggle".
It's like me claiming that Christians have an inner struggle because they don't really believe in heaven, but hoping there is.
This is your first response? No advice for your fellow atheist?
How utterly rich and telling.
Right...because the LW is reading this thread.
Who cares?
Enlighten us with your wisdom.

I already did.

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
FNW wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Oh I got it!

Hey little Johnny, we're going to plant this tree over gramps and you can watch it grow as his body feeds it.

That's what we did with our dog. I know this is not the PC thing to say, but we don't pretend animals go to heaven like humans.
Humans ARE animals.
Animals with bigger brains, but animals nonetheless.
But humans have souls. At least some of us do...

Prove it.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I find it telling the first thing an atheist does is attack another's faith instead of addressing the OP.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Children have a better understanding than we think.

They have more faith than we do.

The dilemma of the LW is their own inner struggle. They know there is more after death. They are having to face the reality of their lack of faith.

They know no such thing.
Don't presume to know what's going on in an atheist's head and their "inner struggle".
It's like me claiming that Christians have an inner struggle because they don't really believe in heaven, but hoping there is.
This is your first response? No advice for your fellow atheist?
How utterly rich and telling.
Right...because the LW is reading this thread.
Who cares?
Enlighten us with your wisdom.
I already did.

No. You havent.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
FNW wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Oh I got it!

Hey little Johnny, we're going to plant this tree over gramps and you can watch it grow as his body feeds it.

That's what we did with our dog. I know this is not the PC thing to say, but we don't pretend animals go to heaven like humans.
Humans ARE animals.
Animals with bigger brains, but animals nonetheless.
But humans have souls. At least some of us do...
Prove it.

Hey, if you don't think you have a soul, I won't belabor your assertion. You think your ancestors are pond scum, too, so yeah...they go hand in hand...

Mary Zombie · Guru

I believe in God's grace and we will all find out some day. Just because you don't believe in God,doesn't mean he doesn't believe in you. I hope so at least. For all of you non believers.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

FNW wrote:
I'm not sure I ever told this story...I probably have, but this reminds me of it. When MIL was dying, we took the boys to the hospital to see her. I had never been to this hospital before, and neither had the boys. We got out of the car and walked up and #1 stopped. He looked up, and said, "oh, I've been here before. When I was invisible. They took me here to show me who my daddy was going to be." I asked when this was, and he said it was when Daddy was born." I looked at DH and he confirmed that he was born at that hospital.

My son's soul was here long before I was.

Jesse was about two when he first told someone I flushed a baby down the toilet.

I had lost a baby days after a positive pregnancy test.

That was 4 years before Jesse was born.

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
I find it telling the first thing an atheist does is attack another's faith instead of addressing the OP.

You attacked first, with your nonsense about an atheist's "inner struggles".

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
FNW wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Oh I got it!

Hey little Johnny, we're going to plant this tree over gramps and you can watch it grow as his body feeds it.

That's what we did with our dog. I know this is not the PC thing to say, but we don't pretend animals go to heaven like humans.
Humans ARE animals.
Animals with bigger brains, but animals nonetheless.
But humans have souls. At least some of us do...
Prove it.
Hey, if you don't think you have a soul, I won't belabor your assertion. You think your ancestors are pond scum, too, so yeah...they go hand in hand...

Understood. You can't prove there's any such thing as a soul.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
FNW wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Oh I got it!

Hey little Johnny, we're going to plant this tree over gramps and you can watch it grow as his body feeds it.

That's what we did with our dog. I know this is not the PC thing to say, but we don't pretend animals go to heaven like humans.
Humans ARE animals.
Animals with bigger brains, but animals nonetheless.
But humans have souls. At least some of us do...
Prove it.
Hey, if you don't think you have a soul, I won't belabor your assertion. You think your ancestors are pond scum, too, so yeah...they go hand in hand...
Understood. You can't prove there's any such thing as a soul.

Just like you can't prove love. Or hate. I know I have a soul. It's the core of my very being.

Prove love. Not actions, actions mean nothing. Prove love...

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I find it telling the first thing an atheist does is attack another's faith instead of addressing the OP.

You attacked first, with your nonsense about an atheist's "inner struggles".

You have reading comprehension problems.

weltschmerz · Guru

You're talking about emotions. Emotions are real.
A soul is not an emotion.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
You're talking about emotions. Emotions are real.
A soul is not an emotion.

Prove it.

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
You're talking about emotions. Emotions are real.
A soul is not an emotion.
Prove it.

I don`t like you. There.

chef · Guru

flan327 wrote:
chef wrote:
DS is 2 and has only experienced one death in his life. His great-grandpa died when he was 6 months old. We have a pic of him and his great-grandparents on the bookshelf in our room. He will point to his great-grandpa when he sees the pic and say 'abba!' (grandpa). Sometimes, he'll ask 'where abba?' and we'll tell him grandpa's in Heaven. Sometimes, he will point up and we'll affirm that's where he is.
But he could also be pointing at the sky.
flan

Which confirms he understands Heaven is up there ...

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
You're talking about emotions. Emotions are real.
A soul is not an emotion.
Prove it.
I don`t like you. There.

So you can't. Gotcha!

weltschmerz · Guru

You, however, are talking about an ontological reality...the incorporal, immaterial and immortal part of humanity.
There's no evidence that such a thing exists.
You can believe it, and teach your kids about it,
I will not.

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
You're talking about emotions. Emotions are real.
A soul is not an emotion.
Prove it.
I don`t like you. There.
So you can't. Gotcha!

Of course I can. I don't like you is a real emotion. I really don't like you. Can't you tell?

Now prove to me that there's such a thing as souls. Any kind of proof will do.

weltschmerz · Guru

You don't like me, either. Real emotions.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
You're talking about emotions. Emotions are real.
A soul is not an emotion.
Prove it.
I don`t like you. There.
So you can't. Gotcha!
Of course I can. I don't like you is a real emotion. I really don't like you. Can't you tell?
Now prove to me that there's such a thing as souls. Any kind of proof will do.

People that actually HAVE souls feel them. They know that they are real. No amount of proof I provide would convince of you that since you do not have one to experience.

There are people that have never felt love. So to them, love cannot be explained or proven. It's a total mystery to them. Just because you can't experience something doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
You don't like me, either. Real emotions.

No who ever said THAT? Prove it.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

So, Weltz, how would you explain death to a 2 year old?

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
You're talking about emotions. Emotions are real.
A soul is not an emotion.
Prove it.
I don`t like you. There.
So you can't. Gotcha!
Of course I can. I don't like you is a real emotion. I really don't like you. Can't you tell?
Now prove to me that there's such a thing as souls. Any kind of proof will do.
People that actually HAVE souls feel them. They know that they are real. No amount of proof I provide would convince of you that since you do not have one to experience.
There are people that have never felt love. So to them, love cannot be explained or proven. It's a total mystery to them. Just because you can't experience something doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

So, you've got nothing.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
You're talking about emotions. Emotions are real.
A soul is not an emotion.
Prove it.
I don`t like you. There.
So you can't. Gotcha!
Of course I can. I don't like you is a real emotion. I really don't like you. Can't you tell?
Now prove to me that there's such a thing as souls. Any kind of proof will do.
People that actually HAVE souls feel them. They know that they are real. No amount of proof I provide would convince of you that since you do not have one to experience.
There are people that have never felt love. So to them, love cannot be explained or proven. It's a total mystery to them. Just because you can't experience something doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
So, you've got nothing.

Not anything that would prove it to a soulless person...Just like you can't prove love. So we are equal...

Ohfour · Hooker

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
You don't like me, either. Real emotions.
No who ever said THAT? Prove it.

Still waiting for you to prove that I don't like you...

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
You're talking about emotions. Emotions are real.
A soul is not an emotion.
Prove it.
I don`t like you. There.

And we've had THIS discussion before. Brain scans reveal emotions. Science.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I find it telling the first thing an atheist does is attack another's faith instead of addressing the OP.

You attacked first, with your nonsense about an atheist's "inner struggles".
You have reading comprehension problems.

Far from it.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

chef wrote:
flan327 wrote:
chef wrote:
DS is 2 and has only experienced one death in his life. His great-grandpa died when he was 6 months old. We have a pic of him and his great-grandparents on the bookshelf in our room. He will point to his great-grandpa when he sees the pic and say 'abba!' (grandpa). Sometimes, he'll ask 'where abba?' and we'll tell him grandpa's in Heaven. Sometimes, he will point up and we'll affirm that's where he is.
But he could also be pointing at the sky.
flan
Which confirms he understands Heaven is up there ...

Which means he is parroting what you told him. Clouds and sun are in the sky as well.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
You don't like me, either. Real emotions.
No who ever said THAT? Prove it.
Still waiting for you to prove that I don't like you...

You always insult & belittle those you like?

Got it.

flan

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
So, Weltz, how would you explain death to a 2 year old?

Everything has an expiration date.....pet goldfish, Rover and Grandma.

They're no longer with us, but have changed into energy.

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
You don't like me, either. Real emotions.
No who ever said THAT? Prove it.
Still waiting for you to prove that I don't like you...
You always insult & belittle those you like?
Got it.
flan

That's not proof. I tease a lot of people I know. Prove that I don't like her.

While you are at it, prove love.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
You're talking about emotions. Emotions are real.
A soul is not an emotion.
Prove it.
I don`t like you. There.
So you can't. Gotcha!
Of course I can. I don't like you is a real emotion. I really don't like you. Can't you tell?
Now prove to me that there's such a thing as souls. Any kind of proof will do.
People that actually HAVE souls feel them. They know that they are real. No amount of proof I provide would convince of you that since you do not have one to experience.
There are people that have never felt love. So to them, love cannot be explained or proven. It's a total mystery to them. Just because you can't experience something doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

You "feel" your soul...Okay, then...

That settles the matter.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
You're talking about emotions. Emotions are real.
A soul is not an emotion.
Prove it.
I don`t like you. There.
So you can't. Gotcha!
Of course I can. I don't like you is a real emotion. I really don't like you. Can't you tell?
Now prove to me that there's such a thing as souls. Any kind of proof will do.
People that actually HAVE souls feel them. They know that they are real. No amount of proof I provide would convince of you that since you do not have one to experience.
There are people that have never felt love. So to them, love cannot be explained or proven. It's a total mystery to them. Just because you can't experience something doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
You "feel" your soul...Okay, then...
That settles the matter.
flan

Yes, people with souls feel them. I know you can't comprehend that...but it's true...

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
You don't like me, either. Real emotions.
No who ever said THAT? Prove it.
Still waiting for you to prove that I don't like you...

So, you DO like me? I'm not really buying it, but it's still an amotion.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
You don't like me, either. Real emotions.
No who ever said THAT? Prove it.
Still waiting for you to prove that I don't like you...
So, you DO like me? I'm not really buying it, but it's still an amotion.

Waiting for you to prove either way whether I do or I don't. (and its Emotion)

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
You don't like me, either. Real emotions.
No who ever said THAT? Prove it.
Still waiting for you to prove that I don't like you...
So, you DO like me? I'm not really buying it, but it's still an amotion.
Waiting for you to prove either way whether I do or I don't. (and its Emotion)

I know how to read. You've expressed hostility towards me. Emotion.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
You don't like me, either. Real emotions.
No who ever said THAT? Prove it.
Still waiting for you to prove that I don't like you...
So, you DO like me? I'm not really buying it, but it's still an amotion.
Waiting for you to prove either way whether I do or I don't. (and its Emotion)
I know how to read. You've expressed hostility towards me. Emotion.

I've expressed hostility towards a lot of people in my life. Doesn't mean that I don't like them...

weltschmerz · Guru

Look, I don't care what kind of superstition you teach your children.
You can teach them that we'll all hitch a ride on a comet to the mothership, for all I care.
I refuse to.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
You don't like me, either. Real emotions.
No who ever said THAT? Prove it.
Still waiting for you to prove that I don't like you...
So, you DO like me? I'm not really buying it, but it's still an amotion.
Waiting for you to prove either way whether I do or I don't. (and its Emotion)
I know how to read. You've expressed hostility towards me. Emotion.
I've expressed hostility towards a lot of people in my life. Doesn't mean that I don't like them...

Actions, my dear...They speak louder than words.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
You don't like me, either. Real emotions.
No who ever said THAT? Prove it.
Still waiting for you to prove that I don't like you...
So, you DO like me? I'm not really buying it, but it's still an amotion.
Waiting for you to prove either way whether I do or I don't. (and its Emotion)
I know how to read. You've expressed hostility towards me. Emotion.
I've expressed hostility towards a lot of people in my life. Doesn't mean that I don't like them...
Actions, my dear...They speak louder than words.
flan

Still not proof...keep trying...

-- Edited by Ohfour on Monday 25th of April 2016 05:25:19 PM