TOTALLY GEEKED!

huskerbb · Guru

More liberal illogic

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

huskerbb wrote:
ok, so a study came out and said that if Donald trumps plan to deport illegal immigrants goes through, the economy would shrink because there wouldn't be enough people to fill the jobs.
now wait a minute, aren't there supposedly MILLIONS of unemployed people in this country looking for jobs?

There are MILLIONS of unemployed people in this country. Looking for jobs........not so much.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lexxy wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
ok, so a study came out and said that if Donald trumps plan to deport illegal immigrants goes through, the economy would shrink because there wouldn't be enough people to fill the jobs.
now wait a minute, aren't there supposedly MILLIONS of unemployed people in this country looking for jobs?

There are MILLIONS of unemployed people in this country. Looking for jobs........not so much.

So true. So true.

FNW · Guru

Yep! Unfortunately there are a lot of dumb people who can't see the discrepancy in this claim.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Oh, now husker, you know the welfare people here do not want to work..

I'll get flamed for that comment.

apple · Guru

I could be wrong, and I am sure you will point this out if I am.

For many, many years, gov't officials have turned a blind eye to illegals that work on farms and do the jobs that "real" Americans don't want to do.

Do these "real" Americans now WANT to do these jobs? If so the companies that have been prospering from the cheap labour are going to be upset.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

apple wrote:
I could be wrong, and I am sure you will point this out if I am.

For many, many years, gov't officials have turned a blind eye to illegals that work on farms and do the jobs that "real" Americans don't want to do.

Do these "real" Americans now WANT to do these jobs? If so the companies that have been prospering from the cheap labour are going to be upset.

First of all - You know us so well.

But, that has been the claim to justify illegal immigrants as employees. The truth is that those employing them are exploiting them - paying them a pittance. That needs to end right along with illegal immigration. And I don't really care if companies that prospered from paying cheaper than the law wages are "upset".

FNW · Guru

Migrant farm workers are brought in during peak season to work....LEGALLY. At least they are in this part of the country. Shipping illegals back would have no impact on picking jobs.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

apple wrote:
I could be wrong, and I am sure you will point this out if I am.

For many, many years, gov't officials have turned a blind eye to illegals that work on farms and do the jobs that "real" Americans don't want to do.

Do these "real" Americans now WANT to do these jobs? If so the companies that have been prospering from the cheap labour are going to be upset.

They get minimum wage or better working the seasonal farms. Their kids also get free schooling. They get housing as well. But, that is not good enough for our welfare recipients, it means they would have to actually, like, work.

ETA, at least among honorable farm owners.

-- Edited by just Czech on Thursday 5th of May 2016 04:13:11 PM

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

And Americans don't want to do the jobs b/c the companies aren't willing to pay a legal wage, or meet standard labor practices. We shouldn't be catering to that - they need to do better.

apple · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
And Americans don't want to do the jobs b/c the companies aren't willing to pay a legal wage, or meet standard labor practices. We shouldn't be catering to that - they need to do better.

I agree.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

It would have to go hand in hand with a cut in welfare for the able bodied unemployed. Why work when the taxpayers will support you.

And flame me all you want, but Mexican immigrants WORK. Both the legals and the illegals. Some deadbeat Americans could stand to learn a few things.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

apple wrote:
I could be wrong, and I am sure you will point this out if I am.

For many, many years, gov't officials have turned a blind eye to illegals that work on farms and do the jobs that "real" Americans don't want to do.

Do these "real" Americans now WANT to do these jobs? If so the companies that have been prospering from the cheap labour are going to be upset.

My brother employs a few illegals. He pays them fairly. He has an excavation company. He has tried hiring American workers but they don't like doing the hard labor or the long hours when the weather is good & they have lots of work. They won't show up on Saturday. The illegals want the jobs, don't complain, do as he asks them & respect his equipment. They take good care of it, clean it & maintain it. Some have been with him a long time.

huskerbb · Guru

apple wrote:
I could be wrong, and I am sure you will point this out if I am.

For many, many years, gov't officials have turned a blind eye to illegals that work on farms and do the jobs that "real" Americans don't want to do.

Do these "real" Americans now WANT to do these jobs? If so the companies that have been prospering from the cheap labour are going to be upset.

If they don't, it simpLY means they don't want to work.

VERY FEW of these jobs are on farms. Most are in industries such as meat packing.

dirty, physical work? yes.

low paying? Not so much. Plus they provide good benefits.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
And Americans don't want to do the jobs b/c the companies aren't willing to pay a legal wage, or meet standard labor practices. We shouldn't be catering to that - they need to do better.

BS.

Meat packing plants pay good average wages for the area. They have benefits. They meet all OSHA and EEOC and Dept. Of labor guidelines.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
And Americans don't want to do the jobs b/c the companies aren't willing to pay a legal wage, or meet standard labor practices. We shouldn't be catering to that - they need to do better.
BS.
Meat packing plants pay good average wages for the area. They have benefits. They meet all OSHA and EEOC and Dept. Of labor guidelines.

That is a horrible job, and the reality is that if people complain about the working conditions, they can't just have the Americans deported.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
And Americans don't want to do the jobs b/c the companies aren't willing to pay a legal wage, or meet standard labor practices. We shouldn't be catering to that - they need to do better.
BS.
Meat packing plants pay good average wages for the area. They have benefits. They meet all OSHA and EEOC and Dept. Of labor guidelines.
That is a horrible job, and the reality is that if people complain about the working conditions, they can't just have the Americans deported.

No one is trying to deport Americans, and I dont care how horrible yhthe job is, if you are on welfare--you take the job or starve.

americans don't want to work.

Ohfour · Hooker

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
And Americans don't want to do the jobs b/c the companies aren't willing to pay a legal wage, or meet standard labor practices. We shouldn't be catering to that - they need to do better.
BS.
Meat packing plants pay good average wages for the area. They have benefits. They meet all OSHA and EEOC and Dept. Of labor guidelines.
That is a horrible job, and the reality is that if people complain about the working conditions, they can't just have the Americans deported.
No one is trying to deport Americans, and I dont care how horrible yhthe job is, if you are on welfare--you take the job or starve.
americans don't want to work.

I disagree with you. There is no way that I would ever work at a slaughter house. Would you want to work for an abortion clinic? Would you rather starve if that's the only option you had?

weltschmerz · Guru

There ARE jobs that are too nasty for Americans to do

......like marry Donald Trump.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
And Americans don't want to do the jobs b/c the companies aren't willing to pay a legal wage, or meet standard labor practices. We shouldn't be catering to that - they need to do better.
BS.
Meat packing plants pay good average wages for the area. They have benefits. They meet all OSHA and EEOC and Dept. Of labor guidelines.
That is a horrible job, and the reality is that if people complain about the working conditions, they can't just have the Americans deported.
No one is trying to deport Americans, and I dont care how horrible yhthe job is, if you are on welfare--you take the job or starve.
americans don't want to work.

confuse You can't deport Americans. But if illegals are not going to complain about working conditions b/c they fear getting deported.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

weltschmerz wrote:
There ARE jobs that are too nasty for Americans to do

......like marry Donald Trump.

I was waiting for this.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
And Americans don't want to do the jobs b/c the companies aren't willing to pay a legal wage, or meet standard labor practices. We shouldn't be catering to that - they need to do better.
BS.
Meat packing plants pay good average wages for the area. They have benefits. They meet all OSHA and EEOC and Dept. Of labor guidelines.
That is a horrible job, and the reality is that if people complain about the working conditions, they can't just have the Americans deported.
No one is trying to deport Americans, and I dont care how horrible yhthe job is, if you are on welfare--you take the job or starve.
americans don't want to work.
You can't deport Americans. But if illegals are not going to complain about working conditions b/c they fear getting deported.

What "working conditions"??? The simple fact that it is an unpleasant job? That can't be helped--and so frickin' what? If it's the choice between that and welfare id do it in a heartbeat.

the fact is that all these welfare bums don't WANT to work.

Ohfour · Hooker

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
And Americans don't want to do the jobs b/c the companies aren't willing to pay a legal wage, or meet standard labor practices. We shouldn't be catering to that - they need to do better.
BS.
Meat packing plants pay good average wages for the area. They have benefits. They meet all OSHA and EEOC and Dept. Of labor guidelines.
That is a horrible job, and the reality is that if people complain about the working conditions, they can't just have the Americans deported.
No one is trying to deport Americans, and I dont care how horrible yhthe job is, if you are on welfare--you take the job or starve.
americans don't want to work.
You can't deport Americans. But if illegals are not going to complain about working conditions b/c they fear getting deported.
What "working conditions"??? The simple fact that it is an unpleasant job? That can't be helped--and so frickin' what? If it's the choice between that and welfare id do it in a heartbeat.
the fact is that all these welfare bums don't WANT to work.

Would you work for an abortion clinic?

huskerbb · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
And Americans don't want to do the jobs b/c the companies aren't willing to pay a legal wage, or meet standard labor practices. We shouldn't be catering to that - they need to do better.
BS.
Meat packing plants pay good average wages for the area. They have benefits. They meet all OSHA and EEOC and Dept. Of labor guidelines.
That is a horrible job, and the reality is that if people complain about the working conditions, they can't just have the Americans deported.
No one is trying to deport Americans, and I dont care how horrible yhthe job is, if you are on welfare--you take the job or starve.
americans don't want to work.
I disagree with you. There is no way that I would ever work at a slaughter house. Would you want to work for an abortion clinic? Would you rather starve if that's the only option you had?

Not the same thing. One is a moral argument, the other is simply because it's an unpleasant job. If my choices were welfare ar work in a slaughterhouse, I'd work in a slaughterhouse in a heartbeat.

beyond that, if it came down to ME starving, I would not compromise my principles, if it came down to my children starving--I'd work where I had to. It's easy to say you'd have principles when your belly is full--and those of your children.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Husker - for many people, slaughtering animals is a moral issue.

huskerbb · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
And Americans don't want to do the jobs b/c the companies aren't willing to pay a legal wage, or meet standard labor practices. We shouldn't be catering to that - they need to do better.
BS.
Meat packing plants pay good average wages for the area. They have benefits. They meet all OSHA and EEOC and Dept. Of labor guidelines.
That is a horrible job, and the reality is that if people complain about the working conditions, they can't just have the Americans deported.
No one is trying to deport Americans, and I dont care how horrible yhthe job is, if you are on welfare--you take the job or starve.
americans don't want to work.
You can't deport Americans. But if illegals are not going to complain about working conditions b/c they fear getting deported.
What "working conditions"??? The simple fact that it is an unpleasant job? That can't be helped--and so frickin' what? If it's the choice between that and welfare id do it in a heartbeat.
the fact is that all these welfare bums don't WANT to work.
Would you work for an abortion clinic?

Stupid comparison. One is a moral argument, the other simply Unpleasant. However, if you would let your children starve--you have no morals.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Husker - for many people, slaughtering animals is a moral issue.

Bull****. There are VERY few vegetarians.

And, if they want to stand on their morals--fine--but I shouldn't have to pay for it through welfare,

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Working in a slaughterhouse is also very physically demanding. Not everyone can do it.

But how about this, Husker, you go work in one for a week, and come back and tell us how it is.

Ohfour · Hooker

huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
And Americans don't want to do the jobs b/c the companies aren't willing to pay a legal wage, or meet standard labor practices. We shouldn't be catering to that - they need to do better.
BS.
Meat packing plants pay good average wages for the area. They have benefits. They meet all OSHA and EEOC and Dept. Of labor guidelines.
That is a horrible job, and the reality is that if people complain about the working conditions, they can't just have the Americans deported.
No one is trying to deport Americans, and I dont care how horrible yhthe job is, if you are on welfare--you take the job or starve.
americans don't want to work.
You can't deport Americans. But if illegals are not going to complain about working conditions b/c they fear getting deported.
What "working conditions"??? The simple fact that it is an unpleasant job? That can't be helped--and so frickin' what? If it's the choice between that and welfare id do it in a heartbeat.
the fact is that all these welfare bums don't WANT to work.
Would you work for an abortion clinic?
Stupid comparison. One is a moral argument, the other simply Unpleasant. However, if you would let your children starve--you have no morals.

For some people, killing animasl IS a moral argument...

Logic fail...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Husker - for many people, slaughtering animals is a moral issue.
Bull****. There are VERY few vegetarians.

And, if they want to stand on their morals--fine--but I shouldn't have to pay for it through welfare,

You don't get to decide that for others.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Working in a slaughterhouse is also very physically demanding. Not everyone can do it.

But how about this, Husker, you go work in one for a week, and come back and tell us how it is.

So what? That proves my point that Americans don't want to work. Sure, some people could not physically do it--but many could.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Husker - for many people, slaughtering animals is a moral issue.
Bull****. There are VERY few vegetarians.

And, if they want to stand on their morals--fine--but I shouldn't have to pay for it through welfare,
You don't get to decide that for others.

BS. If I'm paying for it.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I also don't believe all the slaughterhouse follow all the rules and regulations for working conditions.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
I also don't believe all the slaughterhouse follow all the rules and regulations for working conditions.

You are wrong. If they don't, they are inspected and fined just like any other business.

Ohfour · Hooker

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Husker - for many people, slaughtering animals is a moral issue.
Bull****. There are VERY few vegetarians.

And, if they want to stand on their morals--fine--but I shouldn't have to pay for it through welfare,
You don't get to decide that for others.
BS. If I'm paying for it.

Nope. You still don't get to decide...

huskerbb · Guru

I can't believe you two are in favor of people being able to sit on their asses and collect welfare just because they don't want to work.

huskerbb · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Husker - for many people, slaughtering animals is a moral issue.
Bull****. There are VERY few vegetarians.

And, if they want to stand on their morals--fine--but I shouldn't have to pay for it through welfare,
You don't get to decide that for others.
BS. If I'm paying for it.
Nope. You still don't get to decide...

I can decide to quit paying. Not me, personally, but welfare needs reform.

again, you are proving my point that Americans don't want to work.

huskerbb · Guru

Also, if you don't think Americans should have to work, then quit b!tching about illegal immigration.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I also don't believe all the slaughterhouse follow all the rules and regulations for working conditions.
You are wrong. If they don't, they are inspected and fined just like any other business.

Nope. It's called bribes, Husker. Immigration looks the other way, and so do the inspectors. You really aren't naive enough to think they all play by the rules, are you?

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I also don't believe all the slaughterhouse follow all the rules and regulations for working conditions.
You are wrong. If they don't, they are inspected and fined just like any other business.
Nope. It's called bribes, Husker. Immigration looks the other way, and so do the inspectors. You really aren't naive enough to think they all play by the rules, are you?

Then they are no different from any other industry. What, you think OSHA would only take bribes from meatpackers?

huskerbb · Guru

Also, are you for illegal immigration or against it? If you are for it--fine, but then you can't pretend to be in favor of tighter welfare laws if you don't mind those collecting it being able to sit on their asses when jobs are available.

If you are against it, then who, pray tell, would do all these jobs if the immigrants don't?

You make no sense.

Ohfour · Hooker

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I also don't believe all the slaughterhouse follow all the rules and regulations for working conditions.
You are wrong. If they don't, they are inspected and fined just like any other business.
Nope. It's called bribes, Husker. Immigration looks the other way, and so do the inspectors. You really aren't naive enough to think they all play by the rules, are you?
Then they are no different from any other industry. What, you think OSHA would only take bribes from meatpackers?

I know for a fact that they take bribes from fresh food processing companies.

huskerbb · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I also don't believe all the slaughterhouse follow all the rules and regulations for working conditions.
You are wrong. If they don't, they are inspected and fined just like any other business.
Nope. It's called bribes, Husker. Immigration looks the other way, and so do the inspectors. You really aren't naive enough to think they all play by the rules, are you?
Then they are no different from any other industry. What, you think OSHA would only take bribes from meatpackers?

I know for a fact that they take bribes from fresh food processing companies.

You don't know that for a fact. You don't work for such a company, or for OSHA.

beyond that, even if true, then they are like every other industry--petrochemical, mining, timber, whatever.

Ohfour · Hooker

huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I also don't believe all the slaughterhouse follow all the rules and regulations for working conditions.
You are wrong. If they don't, they are inspected and fined just like any other business.
Nope. It's called bribes, Husker. Immigration looks the other way, and so do the inspectors. You really aren't naive enough to think they all play by the rules, are you?
Then they are no different from any other industry. What, you think OSHA would only take bribes from meatpackers?

I know for a fact that they take bribes from fresh food processing companies.
You don't know that for a fact. You don't work for such a company, or for OSHA.

beyond that, even if true, then they are like every other industry--petrochemical, mining, timber, whatever.

I don't, but my ex-husband did (and still does, he's been there 25 years). You can't even imagine the chemicals they use to wash your food...

huskerbb · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I also don't believe all the slaughterhouse follow all the rules and regulations for working conditions.
You are wrong. If they don't, they are inspected and fined just like any other business.
Nope. It's called bribes, Husker. Immigration looks the other way, and so do the inspectors. You really aren't naive enough to think they all play by the rules, are you?
Then they are no different from any other industry. What, you think OSHA would only take bribes from meatpackers?

I know for a fact that they take bribes from fresh food processing companies.
You don't know that for a fact. You don't work for such a company, or for OSHA.

beyond that, even if true, then they are like every other industry--petrochemical, mining, timber, whatever.
I don't, but my ex-husband did (and still does, he's been there 25 years). You can't even imagine the chemicals they use to wash your food...

But that's a food safety issue, not a workplace conditions issue. Not remotely what we are talking about.

i also assume you still eat food.

FNW · Guru

My cousin's wife is a nutritionist for the state. She says fruits and veggies are so filthy.

huskerbb · Guru

Apparently we should stop eating them. No one should slaughter animals or pick vegetables. It's too hard of work.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

If I were able, I'd do it in a heart beat.

Spent my summers in the fields.

Plowing, planting, weeding, fertilizing.

Hand picking and pulling vegetables.

It's hot, back aching work but it's good, honest work.

huskerbb · Guru

I've butchered animals. Of course it's not pleasant--a lot of jobs aren't--that doesn't mean people cant do them or shouldn't do them just because they think they are "icky".

huskerbb · Guru

Packing plant workers do not rank in the top eight jobs for workplace injuries.

Registered nurses do.

The working conditions are fine--other than the fact it's not pleasant work.