Nice, Trudy. Short, and to the point!

She gives me the Heebie Jeebies!

I will go even further. Hillary has a bigger problem with women than Trump does. Women don't like her either!

She's awful. As a woman, I can't stand her. And it would bother me greatly if she went down in history as the first woman president. That's such an insult to women.

And the problem is that Hillary is just wholly terrible. She has no redeeming values.

Trump, while an arrogant blowhard, actually has some redeeming values.

As an example relevant to this thread - he has more high ranking female executives than male, and he pays them more. And most of them have worked for him for a long time and are loyal to him. To me, that tells me he is a good person to work for and can't be all bad.

Most of the people that have long associations with the Clintons end up dead.

Hillary lets people get killed. Bengazi, anyone?

And lets not forget how she blamed the women for her husbands weakness's. Bwahahaha

All those deleted e-mails.

Now she has a bunch of "friends" in the Justice Department who donated to her campaign. Hints of cronyism, IMHO.

Anyone who votes for Hillary is stupid, IMHO.

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Hillary is the lesser of two evils. Trump is a loose cannon IMO.
Tough choice for you Americans, too bad there are no candidates that have integrity.

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 I can't agree.  Hillary actually IS evil.  Trump is just a jerk.  

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Hillary is the lesser of two evils. Trump is a loose cannon IMO.
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 I can't agree.  Hillary actually IS evil.  Trump is just a jerk.  

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Exactly.  Trump is a lot of mouth.  Hillary is a real threat to the country. 

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 Really? I see Hillary as the lesser of two evils. Not that I would vote for either one of them.... She is at least consistent in her agenda. Trump seems to just say whatever people want to hear at that particular moment plus he has said a lot of, what I perceive to be really, stupid, thoughtless things.

What exactly do you fear from Hillary? 

 

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She helped murder Americans and still thinks she did nothing wrong. Sure that's not as bad as Trump and his big mouth...lol

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 Was she found guilt of this or is that your opinion?

 

What is it you fear from her, can you be more specific?

 

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She helped murder Americans and still thinks she did nothing wrong. Sure that's not as bad as Trump and his big mouth...lol

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 Was she found guilt of this or is that your opinion?

 

What is it you fear from her, can you be more specific?

 

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She SAID that the raid on the embassy was caused my a video.  Then she denied she said that.  It's all on tape. 

She SAYS she is not under investigation by the FBI, that she is under a normal "security review".  The Director of the FBI says she's under investigation, that he doesn't know the term "security review".

She flat out lies.  And the idiots either believe her or they don't care. 

Bengazi and her poor, or worse calculated choice to allow 4 Americans to die. Their were forces ready to go and save them but we're told to stand down. At least two generals were relieved of command because after talking to the the Pentagon were going to go in anyway. Then the flippant phrase when she was questioned "what difference does it make now" shows a lack of empathy for those who lost family and comrades.

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Hillary is the lesser of two evils. Trump is a loose cannon IMO.
Tough choice for you Americans, too bad there are no candidates that have integrity.

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 I can't agree.  Hillary actually IS evil.  Trump is just a jerk.  

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Exactly.  Trump is a lot of mouth.  Hillary is a real threat to the country. 

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 Really? I see Hillary as the lesser of two evils. Not that I would vote for either one of them.... She is at least consistent in her agenda. Trump seems to just say whatever people want to hear at that particular moment plus he has said a lot of, what I perceive to be really, stupid, thoughtless things.

What exactly do you fear from Hillary? 

 

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Hillary herself.  She is corrupt & power hungry.  She thinks she is above the law & so far it seems she is.  She will stop at nothing to feed her ego & bank account.  She feels no remorse for the deaths she has caused.

Trump is also an egomaniac but he operates within the law.  And I think he has the country's best interest at heart while Hillary doesn't care about the country as a whole just her little group of corruption. 

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 Her and Bill have amassed $200 million dollars during a lifetime of "public service". 

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Hillary is the lesser of two evils. Trump is a loose cannon IMO.
Tough choice for you Americans, too bad there are no candidates that have integrity.

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 I can't agree.  Hillary actually IS evil.  Trump is just a jerk.  

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Exactly.  Trump is a lot of mouth.  Hillary is a real threat to the country. 

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 Really? I see Hillary as the lesser of two evils. Not that I would vote for either one of them.... She is at least consistent in her agenda. Trump seems to just say whatever people want to hear at that particular moment plus he has said a lot of, what I perceive to be really, stupid, thoughtless things.

What exactly do you fear from Hillary? 

 

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Hillary herself.  She is corrupt & power hungry.  She thinks she is above the law & so far it seems she is.  She will stop at nothing to feed her ego & bank account.  She feels no remorse for the deaths she has caused.

Trump is also an egomaniac but he operates within the law.  And I think he has the country's best interest at heart while Hillary doesn't care about the country as a whole just her little group of corruption. 

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 Benghazi and the e-mail scandal. If the charges are true, why hasn't she been found legally accountable?

Trump has no political background, sure he is a billionaire now, he started off with his family money which he lost, he has claimed bankruptcy a few times. His investments were not always accurate, when he wins big it is good but if he loses big it is bad for America. I see him as a bit of a gamble. His comments like "build a wall" are just hot air and designed to pull in the hate many have and he uses that to his advantage. More of a manipulator than a politician, although some could argue they are much the same thing.

I couldn't vote for either one of them. I think your choices for a future president are anything but hopeful, its very sad that you don't have any standouts who have integrity and a solid background in politics.

 

 

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Hillary is the lesser of two evils. Trump is a loose cannon IMO.
Tough choice for you Americans, too bad there are no candidates that have integrity.

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Exactly.  Trump is a lot of mouth.  Hillary is a real threat to the country. 

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 Really? I see Hillary as the lesser of two evils. Not that I would vote for either one of them.... She is at least consistent in her agenda. Trump seems to just say whatever people want to hear at that particular moment plus he has said a lot of, what I perceive to be really, stupid, thoughtless things.

What exactly do you fear from Hillary? 

 

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Hillary herself.  She is corrupt & power hungry.  She thinks she is above the law & so far it seems she is.  She will stop at nothing to feed her ego & bank account.  She feels no remorse for the deaths she has caused.

Trump is also an egomaniac but he operates within the law.  And I think he has the country's best interest at heart while Hillary doesn't care about the country as a whole just her little group of corruption. 

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 Her and Bill have amassed $200 million dollars during a lifetime of "public service". 

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It's very telling indeed isn't it?  I have no idea what Trump's net worth is but he is an unapologetic business man & doesn't try to hide it. 

Trump didn't file bankruptcy. A couple of his businesses did, from what I've heard. Big difference.

Trump is a negotiator. Unlike the dictator and his czars we've had the last 8 years.

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Hillary is the lesser of two evils. Trump is a loose cannon IMO.
Tough choice for you Americans, too bad there are no candidates that have integrity.

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 I can't agree.  Hillary actually IS evil.  Trump is just a jerk.  

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Exactly.  Trump is a lot of mouth.  Hillary is a real threat to the country. 

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 Really? I see Hillary as the lesser of two evils. Not that I would vote for either one of them.... She is at least consistent in her agenda. Trump seems to just say whatever people want to hear at that particular moment plus he has said a lot of, what I perceive to be really, stupid, thoughtless things.

What exactly do you fear from Hillary? 

 

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Hillary herself.  She is corrupt & power hungry.  She thinks she is above the law & so far it seems she is.  She will stop at nothing to feed her ego & bank account.  She feels no remorse for the deaths she has caused.

Trump is also an egomaniac but he operates within the law.  And I think he has the country's best interest at heart while Hillary doesn't care about the country as a whole just her little group of corruption. 

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 Her and Bill have amassed $200 million dollars during a lifetime of "public service". 

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It's very telling indeed isn't it?  I have no idea what Trump's net worth is but he is an unapologetic business man & doesn't try to hide it. 

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 Has Hillary tried to hide her money? I see conflicting reports on what she is worth.

Hillary Clinton’s net worth is $31.3 million. Our Hillary Clinton net worth number comes from analyzing her 2015 U.S. Public Financial Disclosure Reports. Bill Clinton has an estimated net worth of $80 million. That gives a combined Bill and Hillary Clinton net worth of $111 million dollars.

U.S. presidential candidates aren’t required to reveal their exact net worth, so Hillary Clinton’s net worth is only available within a range. That means learning Hillary Clinton’s net worth can only be done by averaging out her reported min and max figures.

http://moneynation.com/hillary-clinton-net-worth/

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Hillary is the lesser of two evils. Trump is a loose cannon IMO.
Tough choice for you Americans, too bad there are no candidates that have integrity.

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 I can't agree.  Hillary actually IS evil.  Trump is just a jerk.  

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Exactly.  Trump is a lot of mouth.  Hillary is a real threat to the country. 

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 Really? I see Hillary as the lesser of two evils. Not that I would vote for either one of them.... She is at least consistent in her agenda. Trump seems to just say whatever people want to hear at that particular moment plus he has said a lot of, what I perceive to be really, stupid, thoughtless things.

What exactly do you fear from Hillary? 

 

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Hillary herself.  She is corrupt & power hungry.  She thinks she is above the law & so far it seems she is.  She will stop at nothing to feed her ego & bank account.  She feels no remorse for the deaths she has caused.

Trump is also an egomaniac but he operates within the law.  And I think he has the country's best interest at heart while Hillary doesn't care about the country as a whole just her little group of corruption. 

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 Benghazi and the e-mail scandal. If the charges are true, why hasn't she been found legally accountable?

Trump has no political background, sure he is a billionaire now, he started off with his family money which he lost, he has claimed bankruptcy a few times. His investments were not always accurate, when he wins big it is good but if he loses big it is bad for America. I see him as a bit of a gamble. His comments like "build a wall" are just hot air and designed to pull in the hate many have and he uses that to his advantage. More of a manipulator than a politician, although some could argue they are much the same thing.

I couldn't vote for either one of them. I think your choices for a future president are anything but hopeful, its very sad that you don't have any standouts who have integrity and a solid background in politics.

 

 

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 You can't be serious.  You really don't think Obama is going to let his justice department prosecute her, do you?  

It's called CORRUPTION.  The fact that she hasn't been indicted is proof of that in and of itself.

 

And as for Trump's lack of political background - GOOD.  The politicians in this country suck.

 

And yes, the choices are terrible - but it is the choice, whether we like it or not at this point.  And Hillary is not only a horrible politician, but a horrible person.  

 

She LAUGHED over knowing her client was lying after she got him off for raping a 12 year old girl.  

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 I did follow that case and while she was doing the job that was assigned to her (she tried to get out of it) she did her legal aid job to the best of her ability.

But in the recording, Clinton indicated she believed her client was indeed guilty. Heard laughing, she said the polygraph test he managed to pass "forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs."

I'm not defending her, I looked at this with an open mind. I believe she was laughing at the polygraph test, and the fact that her guilty client passed it. 

 

Oh, yes, a guilty child rapist fooling a polygraph is certainly funny.

apple wrote:

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apple wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Hillary is the lesser of two evils. Trump is a loose cannon IMO.
Tough choice for you Americans, too bad there are no candidates that have integrity.

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 I can't agree.  Hillary actually IS evil.  Trump is just a jerk.  

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Exactly.  Trump is a lot of mouth.  Hillary is a real threat to the country. 

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 Really? I see Hillary as the lesser of two evils. Not that I would vote for either one of them.... She is at least consistent in her agenda. Trump seems to just say whatever people want to hear at that particular moment plus he has said a lot of, what I perceive to be really, stupid, thoughtless things.

What exactly do you fear from Hillary? 

 

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Hillary herself.  She is corrupt & power hungry.  She thinks she is above the law & so far it seems she is.  She will stop at nothing to feed her ego & bank account.  She feels no remorse for the deaths she has caused.

Trump is also an egomaniac but he operates within the law.  And I think he has the country's best interest at heart while Hillary doesn't care about the country as a whole just her little group of corruption. 

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 Her and Bill have amassed $200 million dollars during a lifetime of "public service". 

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It's very telling indeed isn't it?  I have no idea what Trump's net worth is but he is an unapologetic business man & doesn't try to hide it. 

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 Has Hillary tried to hide her money? I see conflicting reports on what she is worth.

Hillary Clinton’s net worth is $31.3 million. Our Hillary Clinton net worth number comes from analyzing her 2015 U.S. Public Financial Disclosure Reports. Bill Clinton has an estimated net worth of $80 million. That gives a combined Bill and Hillary Clinton net worth of $111 million dollars.

U.S. presidential candidates aren’t required to reveal their exact net worth, so Hillary Clinton’s net worth is only available within a range. That means learning Hillary Clinton’s net worth can only be done by averaging out her reported min and max figures.

http://moneynation.com/hillary-clinton-net-worth/

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Oh, they have spent a lot of it, but I think they are probably hiding quite a bit of it.  They earned $153 million in speaking fees alone - well above the $110 million figure. Then there's the book fees.  Wow.  

A Washington Post analysis of Clinton finances suggests that Bill Clinton was paid roughly $105 million for 542 speeches from 2001 to 2013, and Hillary has also been in high demand as a speaker in years in which she wasn't serving in government positions. Her speaking fees start in the $225,000 range, and CNN has reported that the couple earned $153 million in combined speaking fees from 2001 through the launch of Hillary's presidential campaign in April 2015.

The Clintons also garnered record-setting book deals, with Hillary Clinton reportedly earning an $8 million advance for her memoirs detailing her years as first lady and a $14 million advance for her 2013 memoir Hard Choices. Bill also struck gold on the autobiographical circuit, receiving a $15 million advance for his autobiography, My Life.

 

And then there is the question of how the money from their charitable foundation is used.  From Charity Navigator - 

Charity Navigator: We had previously evaluated this organization, but have since determined that this charity’s atypical business model can not be accurately captured in our current rating methodology. Our removal of The Clinton Foundation from our site is neither a condemnation nor an endorsement of this charity. We reserve the right to reinstate a rating for The Clinton Foundation as soon as we identify a rating methodology that appropriately captures its business model.

What does it mean that this organization isn’t rated?

It simply means that the organization doesn’t meet our criteria. A lack of a rating does not indicate a positive or negative assessment by Charity Navigator.

 

 

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Trump didn't file bankruptcy. A couple of his businesses did, from what I've heard. Big difference.

Trump is a negotiator. Unlike the dictator and his czars we've had the last 8 years.

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 Many companies file for bankruptcy protection.  It's a tool available to them by the laws we have.  What he did is not illegal, and actually was a good business decision. 

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 Filing for bankruptcy isn't exactly something to be proud of either. Its a failure and bodes to choices and competence. 

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 Four times now...

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Hillary is the lesser of two evils. Trump is a loose cannon IMO.
Tough choice for you Americans, too bad there are no candidates that have integrity.

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Exactly.  Trump is a lot of mouth.  Hillary is a real threat to the country. 

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 Really? I see Hillary as the lesser of two evils. Not that I would vote for either one of them.... She is at least consistent in her agenda. Trump seems to just say whatever people want to hear at that particular moment plus he has said a lot of, what I perceive to be really, stupid, thoughtless things.

What exactly do you fear from Hillary? 

 

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You may not agree with him, but Trump will TRY to do what is best for the country as a CEO would for a company.  And he is his own person - he is not controlled by political parties or anyone else. 

Hillary will do whatever she is paid to do by corporate America and Wall Street.  She is morally bankrupt and corrupt beyond measure.

  

 

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 I'm not a believer, at least not that Trump will do what is best for America. I think Trump has a long history of doing what is best for Trump. 

If the two coincide great but I fear that won't be the case. Many world leaders are not thrilled with the prospect of having to deal with Trump as President, what does that mean... I know you don't care but I just wonder.

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 I agree. I also posted recently the opinion that Trump declared his candidacy as a joke, never expecting to get this far. He's in way over his head.

flan

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 I had that feeling in the beginning, that he was doing it on a lark.

To be quite honest, I did enjoy Trump as a "personality", but never dreamed he would get this far, running for president. I'm surprised he hasn't turned it into a reality show. 

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Trump didn't file bankruptcy. A couple of his businesses did, from what I've heard. Big difference.

Trump is a negotiator. Unlike the dictator and his czars we've had the last 8 years.

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 Many companies file for bankruptcy protection.  It's a tool available to them by the laws we have.  What he did is not illegal, and actually was a good business decision. 

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 Filing for bankruptcy isn't exactly something to be proud of either. Its a failure and bodes to choices and competence. 

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 It shows that both of you are lacking knowledge of how businesses and the bankruptcy system work.  From Politifact:

In an effort to take out frontrunner Donald Trump, Republican presidential candidates have pelted Trump with criticism over his multiple trips to federal bankruptcy court.

That criticism was on full display in CNN’s Republican debate Sept. 16. Most notably, former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina criticized Trump’s history of bankruptcies in his businesses.

"You know, there are a lot of us Americans who believe that we are going to have trouble someday paying back the interest on our debt because politicians have run up mountains of debt using other people's money," Fiorina said. "That is in fact precisely the way you ran your casinos. You ran up mountains of debt, as well as losses, using other people's money, and you were forced to file for bankruptcy not once, not twice, four times."

Trump doesn’t deny that four of his businesses have filed for bankruptcy. He argues, however, that filing for bankruptcy is a common business decision, and he was smart to make the moves when he did.

"Hundreds of companies" have filed for bankruptcy, Trump said earlier in the debate. "I used the law four times and made a tremendous thing. I'm in business. I did a very good job."

Trump’s four bankruptcies were Chapter 11 reorganizations (named for its location in federal bankruptcy code), which are designed to restructure businesses without shutting them down completely. The purpose is to "save" the business, as opposed to other forms of bankruptcy which would liquidate the company, said Michael Venditto, a partner at the ReedSmith law firm who has extensive experience with Chapter 11.

Because they keep coming up, we decided to outline Trump’s four bankruptcies. We also talked to some finance experts, who told us Trump is correct that Chapter 11 reorganization is not always the result of bad business decisions.

Bankruptcy 1: The Trump Taj Mahal, 1991

The first bankruptcy associated with Trump was perhaps the most significant in terms of his personal finances, according to news reports at the time. He funded the construction of the $1 billion Trump Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, which opened in 1990. By 1991, the casino was nearly $3 billion in debt, while Trump had racked up nearly $900 million in personal liabilities, so the business decided to file for Chapter 11 reorganization, according to the New York Times. As a result, Trump gave up half his personal stake in the casino and sold his yacht and airline, according to the Washington Post.

Bankruptcy 2: Trump Plaza Hotel, 1992

Trump acquired the Plaza Hotel in New York for $390 million in 1988. By 1992, the hotel had accumulated $550 million in debt. As a result of the bankruptcy, in exchange for easier terms on which to pay off the debts, Trump relinquished a 49 percent stake in the Plaza to a total of six lenders, according to ABC News. Trump remained the hotel’s CEO, but it was merely a gesture -- he didn’t earn a salary and had no say in the hotel’s day-to-day operations, according to the New York Times.

Bankruptcy 3: Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts, 2004

Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts filed for bankruptcy again in 2004 when his casinos -- including the Trump Taj Mahal, Trump Marina and Trump Plaza casinos in Atlantic City and a riverboat casino in Indiana -- had accrued an estimated $1.8 billion in debt, according to the Associated Press. Trump agreed to reduce his share in the company from 47 to 27 percent in a restructuring plan, but he was still the company’s largest single shareholder and remained in charge of its operations. Trump told the Associated Press at the time that the company represented less than 1 percent of his net worth.

Bankruptcy 4: Trump Entertainment Resorts, 2009

Trump Entertainment Resorts -- formerly Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts -- was hit hard by the 2008 economic recession and missed a $53.1 million bond interest payment in December 2008, according to ABC News. After debating with the company’s board of directors, Trump resigned as the company’s chairman and had his corporate stake in the company reduced to 10 percent. The company continued to use Trump’s name in licensing.

So four Trump companies filed for Chapter 11 reorganization. Is that as big a deal as Fiorina says?

Risky business

While it would be better to avoid a situation where Chapter 11 reorganization is necessary, filing for bankruptcy can be a "sound business decision" when the company is facing serious financial problems, Venditto said. It’s better than the business shutting down completely.

"However, the source of the financial problems varies from case to case," he said. "Sometimes it is the result of circumstances beyond the control of the business. Sometime it caused by poor judgment. More frequently, it is a combination."

Trump’s four bankruptcies all happened within the past 25 years. That’s a lot, said Stephen Lubben, a leading expert in corporate finance and professor at Seton Hall School of Law. But to be fair, the gaming industry has been struggling the past few years, he added, and three out of four of Trump’s bankruptcies were tied to casinos.

It’s not fair to put all the blame on Trump for the four bankruptcies because he’s acting as any investor would. Investors often own many non-integrated companies, which they fund by taking on debt, and some of them inevitably file for bankruptcy,said Adam Levitin, a law professor at Georgetown University.

He added that people typically wouldn’t personally blame former Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney or investor Warren Buffett for individual failures within their investment companies, Bain Capital and Berkshire Hathaway, respectively.

"The only difference is that Trump puts his name on his companies, which means people associate them with him, but he's not at all the leader in the bankruptcy space," Levitan said. "These bankruptcies were not defining moments for Trump and shouldn't color our view of him."

Our ruling

Fiorina said Trump was "forced to file for bankruptcy not once, not twice, four times."

While it is accurate that Trump filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy four times, Fiorina’s statement doesn’t tell the whole story. In context, Fiorina’s phrasing suggests Trump was personally responsible for the failures of these businesses, but in reality, much was out of Trump’s control -- such as a struggling casino industry. But Trump is certainly not blameless.

We rate Fiorina’s statement Mostly True.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Companies_that_have_filed_for_Chapter_11_bankruptcy

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Chapter 11 reorganization is not always the result of bad business decisions.

lol. whatever. Lets move on shall we.

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 It's actually used very astutely by many companies.