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Judith Martin (a.k.a. Miss Manners of the Washington Post) tackled a parent's question regarding their daughter and her decision to not make an appearance at her own graduation party. The parent wrote to Miss Manners and explained that along with her daughter's father, they had planned a high school graduation party for 30 friends and family members.
As the letter writer explained, parties aren't really this kid's thing:
My daughter does not like parties, so we asked her the week before to please let us know if she was feeling uncomfortable and we would call it all off, no problem. She said she would be okay with it, and we told her she could just come for a bit to say hi and thank her guests.
However, the daughter never showed, and instead stayed away from home all day. "On top of it all," the letter to Miss Manners added, "her grandparents flew in from out of town, and she was extremely rude to them and didn’t spend any time talking or thanking them for coming."
The letter ends with the parent wondering if she should return the cash and checks people gave as presents, which the daughter didn't even open.
The question of gift returning isn't the main concern in Miss Manner's response. "It seems to Miss Manners that this is the least of your problems, considering that you have a thoroughly rude and callous daughter," the response opens. Damn. According to Miss Manners, returning gifts is normally rude, but since this high school kid has already insulted guests, it'd be OK to give people their money back.
While Miss Manners calls out the daughter, she has some opinions about the parents, too. "Leaving aside your duty to teach your daughter manners and consideration for others, there is the question of why you even considered giving a party for someone who hates parties and your willingness to allow guests to make plans that you offered to cancel a week before." Miss Manners holds no punches.
There is no consensus on this letter writer (known in the comments as LW) and how she should handle this situation. While people disagreed on the responsible party (the blame game is fun) and what to do with the gifts, nobody questioned that the graduation party was not a good time.
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And they told her that it was okay if she just "came for a bit". This is pretty much "this party is for us, not for you, so do whatever". Daughter dislikes party so she didn't go. Everyone knew in advance!
There is some missing information. For instance, is the reason the daughter doesn't like parties due to a mental disorder or anxiety issue? If so, shame on the parents for trying to push her into something they know she is uncomfortable with or unable to process.
Once when DS1 was little and we were visiting my parents (from 500 miles away), my mother threw a party to show us off to about 30 of her closest friends.
She gave us 30 minutes notice. ("Oh, didn't I tell you?")
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Stupid parents. There should not have been "just come for a bit and then leave" option. It was HER party. Ridiculous. And, OK she doesnt' like parties, but tough taters, sometimes your parents want to throw you a party. You have to define the parameters. And, when we have relatives, i tell the kids, you are staying home, sitting with us and you aren't going anywhere and no you aren't going to the basement to play your Xbox. You WILL sit and visit.
Because it takes time and effort away from important things like posting on Facebook or doing whatever is your thing. And, the kids might get mad and not like mom and dad anymore. And, we can't have that.
Because it takes time and effort away from important things like posting on Facebook or doing whatever is your thing. And, the kids might get mad and not like mom and dad anymore. And, we can't have that.
Are you feeling well, LGS?
I was sure you were going to blame the evil Liberals!!!!
Because it takes time and effort away from important things like posting on Facebook or doing whatever is your thing. And, the kids might get mad and not like mom and dad anymore. And, we can't have that.
Are you feeling well, LGS?
I was sure you were going to blame the evil Liberals!!!!
There must be more to this story. If she is such a spoiled brat why wouldn't she want to get all that money?
-- Edited by VetteGirl on Monday 30th of May 2016 09:57:15 PM
I've been noticing that spoiled kids don't really care, they get everything they want anyway, so what does it matter if they do or don't get gifts. It's no bargaining tool.
Yes. They don't care. My kids had so much stuff from grandma and relatives. So, trying to motivate through money didn't work. I had to find what they really cared about. And, like doing chores, at one point, i offered to pay for certain chores, but that wasn't enough motivation. Then, i changed my approach. You live here and you WILL contribute to the overall good of the home and household. So, you WILL all do your share of pitching in around the house. And, no you will not get paid to do that which is expected of you in the first place.
I wonder if they taught her that she won't always get her way when she was a toddler. The phrase "you don't always get what you want" is spoken frequently in my home.
There is some missing information. For instance, is the reason the daughter doesn't like parties due to a mental disorder or anxiety issue? If so, shame on the parents for trying to push her into something they know she is uncomfortable with or unable to process.
I agree, something is not right.
Maybe she is depressed because her parents are selfish twits?
There is some missing information. For instance, is the reason the daughter doesn't like parties due to a mental disorder or anxiety issue? If so, shame on the parents for trying to push her into something they know she is uncomfortable with or unable to process.
I agree, something is not right.
Maybe she is depressed because her parents are selfish twits?
She's the one who skipped out on her own party and they are the "selfish" ones?
That is simply a foolish statement.
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Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
There is some missing information. For instance, is the reason the daughter doesn't like parties due to a mental disorder or anxiety issue? If so, shame on the parents for trying to push her into something they know she is uncomfortable with or unable to process.
I agree, something is not right.
Maybe she is depressed because her parents are selfish twits?
She's the one who skipped out on her own party and they are the "selfish" ones?
That is simply a foolish statement.
Did her parents encourage her to go? Did her parents talk to her about the importance of going? Hell, she didn't WANT the party!
-- Edited by apple on Tuesday 31st of May 2016 06:58:35 PM
There is some missing information. For instance, is the reason the daughter doesn't like parties due to a mental disorder or anxiety issue? If so, shame on the parents for trying to push her into something they know she is uncomfortable with or unable to process.
I agree, something is not right.
Maybe she is depressed because her parents are selfish twits?
She's the one who skipped out on her own party and they are the "selfish" ones?
That is simply a foolish statement.
Did her parents encourage her to go? Did her parents talk to her about the importance of going? Hell, she didn't WANT the party!
-- Edited by apple on Tuesday 31st of May 2016 06:58:35 PM
The first two--not enough. The last one--irrelevant. We don't always get what we want. When you have people coming to celebrate an event with you--grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc...--you suck it up and go even if it's a dreadful affair like the one my wife was at a couple of weeks ago.
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Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
Nah. something is not right.
Since when does a teen not want presents and money?
Perhaps the parents should have addressed this issue before inviting people and accepting gifts?
There is some missing information. For instance, is the reason the daughter doesn't like parties due to a mental disorder or anxiety issue? If so, shame on the parents for trying to push her into something they know she is uncomfortable with or unable to process.
I agree, something is not right.
Maybe she is depressed because her parents are selfish twits?
She's the one who skipped out on her own party and they are the "selfish" ones?
That is simply a foolish statement.
Did her parents encourage her to go? Did her parents talk to her about the importance of going? Hell, she didn't WANT the party!
-- Edited by apple on Tuesday 31st of May 2016 06:58:35 PM
The first two--not enough. The last one--irrelevant. We don't always get what we want. When you have people coming to celebrate an event with you--grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc...--you suck it up and go even if it's a dreadful affair like the one my wife was at a couple of weeks ago.
Exactly. Suck it up. Make small talk. Act pleasant.
Nah. something is not right. Since when does a teen not want presents and money? Perhaps the parents should have addressed this issue before inviting people and accepting gifts?
EXACTLY
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I had a friend whose parents tried to force her to go to Thanksgiving dinner at the house of a "friend-of-the-family" when we were in our late teens. What the parents didn't know was that the "friend of the family" had molested her until she was 12. It caused huge trauma stress for my friend, and then her parents reprimanded her for "spoiling the holiday".
To this day, due to the shame of being molested (I know - she shouldn't be ashamed, but she doesn't feel that way) her parents still don't know and try to make her show up at family events where she knows this guy will be attending. Some of the events are pretty important, like funerals or weddings, and she goes but it's hugely traumatic to have to interact with this guy all day or all weekend.
I had a friend whose parents tried to force her to go to Thanksgiving dinner at the house of a "friend-of-the-family" when we were in our late teens. What the parents didn't know was that the "friend of the family" had molested her until she was 12. It caused huge trauma stress for my friend, and then her parents reprimanded her for "spoiling the holiday".
To this day, due to the shame of being molested (I know - she shouldn't be ashamed, but she doesn't feel that way) her parents still don't know and try to make her show up at family events where she knows this guy will be attending. Some of the events are pretty important, like funerals or weddings, and she goes but it's hugely traumatic to have to interact with this guy all day or all weekend.
Perhaps she should tell them.
Teenagers are notoriously difficult - how exactly were they supposed to know that was the reason she didn't want to go if she didn't tell them rather than her just not wanting to go to a boring adult's house?
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I had a friend whose parents tried to force her to go to Thanksgiving dinner at the house of a "friend-of-the-family" when we were in our late teens. What the parents didn't know was that the "friend of the family" had molested her until she was 12. It caused huge trauma stress for my friend, and then her parents reprimanded her for "spoiling the holiday".
To this day, due to the shame of being molested (I know - she shouldn't be ashamed, but she doesn't feel that way) her parents still don't know and try to make her show up at family events where she knows this guy will be attending. Some of the events are pretty important, like funerals or weddings, and she goes but it's hugely traumatic to have to interact with this guy all day or all weekend.
Perhaps she should tell them.
Teenagers are notoriously difficult - how exactly were they supposed to know that was the reason she didn't want to go if she didn't tell them rather than her just not wanting to go to a boring adult's house?
Knowing her parents, they'd side with the "family friend".
I had a friend whose parents tried to force her to go to Thanksgiving dinner at the house of a "friend-of-the-family" when we were in our late teens. What the parents didn't know was that the "friend of the family" had molested her until she was 12. It caused huge trauma stress for my friend, and then her parents reprimanded her for "spoiling the holiday".
To this day, due to the shame of being molested (I know - she shouldn't be ashamed, but she doesn't feel that way) her parents still don't know and try to make her show up at family events where she knows this guy will be attending. Some of the events are pretty important, like funerals or weddings, and she goes but it's hugely traumatic to have to interact with this guy all day or all weekend.
Perhaps she should tell them.
Teenagers are notoriously difficult - how exactly were they supposed to know that was the reason she didn't want to go if she didn't tell them rather than her just not wanting to go to a boring adult's house?
Yes. The parents aren't trying to put her in harm's way. How are they supposed to know that? And, at the point of being an adult, she doesn't have to go to anything. And, there is nothing to prevent her from speaking to her parents now about why she will no longer attend events where he is.
I had a friend whose parents tried to force her to go to Thanksgiving dinner at the house of a "friend-of-the-family" when we were in our late teens. What the parents didn't know was that the "friend of the family" had molested her until she was 12. It caused huge trauma stress for my friend, and then her parents reprimanded her for "spoiling the holiday".
To this day, due to the shame of being molested (I know - she shouldn't be ashamed, but she doesn't feel that way) her parents still don't know and try to make her show up at family events where she knows this guy will be attending. Some of the events are pretty important, like funerals or weddings, and she goes but it's hugely traumatic to have to interact with this guy all day or all weekend.
Perhaps she should tell them.
Teenagers are notoriously difficult - how exactly were they supposed to know that was the reason she didn't want to go if she didn't tell them rather than her just not wanting to go to a boring adult's house?
Knowing her parents, they'd side with the "family friend".
Won't know until she tells them. And then at least she'd know to cut them all out of her life.
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Well, the story wasn't to hijack the thread to talk about what my friend should or shouldn't do - I'm just suggesting that there might be more to this story than the daughter "skipping out" on a great party.
If I were the mom coming to the realization that my kid is a special snowflake and that I had failed miserably, I would at least attempt to make a stand. I would return every last gift and every last bit of money with a huge apology for the lack of attendance by the honoree. Perhaps a bit of public ridicule will be the first step in shaming the kid into realizing that they sh!t falls into the toilet with the same plop as everyone else.
If I were the mom coming to the realization that my kid is a special snowflake and that I had failed miserably, I would at least attempt to make a stand. I would return every last gift and every last bit of money with a huge apology for the lack of attendance by the honoree. Perhaps a bit of public ridicule will be the first step in shaming the kid into realizing that they sh!t falls into the toilet with the same plop as everyone else.
I had creepy cousin. I didn't see him much, but when I did, my mother always made sure I wasn't alone. I never had to say anything, she just knew. If my parents threw me a party and invited him, I don't think I would want to be there either.
I had creepy cousin. I didn't see him much, but when I did, my mother always made sure I wasn't alone. I never had to say anything, she just knew. If my parents threw me a party and invited him, I don't think I would want to be there either.
I had a creepy cousin and a creepy uncle, I don't think I ever voiced my concerns but I did manage to stay away from them at family gatherings.
Well, the story wasn't to hijack the thread to talk about what my friend should or shouldn't do - I'm just suggesting that there might be more to this story than the daughter "skipping out" on a great party.
I think assuming she is avoiding her whole family at her own graduation party for an unknown case of molestation is a big assumption. Especially when it's more likely, based on the OP, that she's a selfish little twit.
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I think it's sad when people don't listen to kids who tell about abuse. 99.9% of the cases are true. But in this instance I think the girl was spoiled. Although she did tell her parents she didn't really want a party so the parents are partly at fault too. No one is REQUIRED TO have a graduation party.
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Well, the story wasn't to hijack the thread to talk about what my friend should or shouldn't do - I'm just suggesting that there might be more to this story than the daughter "skipping out" on a great party.
I think assuming she is avoiding her whole family at her own graduation party for an unknown case of molestation is a big assumption. Especially when it's more likely, based on the OP, that she's a selfish little twit.
That's the thing though. We don't know. And it's not selfish if you don't go to get the money . . .
Well, the story wasn't to hijack the thread to talk about what my friend should or shouldn't do - I'm just suggesting that there might be more to this story than the daughter "skipping out" on a great party.
I think assuming she is avoiding her whole family at her own graduation party for an unknown case of molestation is a big assumption. Especially when it's more likely, based on the OP, that she's a selfish little twit.
That's the thing though. We don't know. And it's not selfish if you don't go to get the money . . .
Yeah, we do. They offered to cancel the party, she said it would be fine. If it was that kind of issue, she could have gratefully accepted that kind of offer. Instead -
My daughter does not like parties, so we asked her the week before to please let us know if she was feeling uncomfortable and we would call it all off, no problem. She said she would be okay with it, and we told her she could just come for a bit to say hi and thank her guests.
However, the daughter never showed, and instead stayed away from home all day. "On top of it all," the letter to Miss Manners added, "her grandparents flew in from out of town, and she was extremely rude to them and didn’t spend any time talking or thanking them for coming."
Selfish, thoughtless twit.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Well, the story wasn't to hijack the thread to talk about what my friend should or shouldn't do - I'm just suggesting that there might be more to this story than the daughter "skipping out" on a great party.
I think assuming she is avoiding her whole family at her own graduation party for an unknown case of molestation is a big assumption. Especially when it's more likely, based on the OP, that she's a selfish little twit.
That's the thing though. We don't know. And it's not selfish if you don't go to get the money . . .
It's not about the money. It is about family milestones and being together as a family as they celebrate you. And, whether you "want" to go or not is irrelevant. If my kids only did what they want to do, i would have failed as parent in teaching them about family obligations, duty, and doing what is right whether you want to or not.
Well, the story wasn't to hijack the thread to talk about what my friend should or shouldn't do - I'm just suggesting that there might be more to this story than the daughter "skipping out" on a great party.
I think assuming she is avoiding her whole family at her own graduation party for an unknown case of molestation is a big assumption. Especially when it's more likely, based on the OP, that she's a selfish little twit.
That's the thing though. We don't know. And it's not selfish if you don't go to get the money . . .
It's not about the money. It is about family milestones and being together as a family as they celebrate you. And, whether you "want" to go or not is irrelevant. If my kids only did what they want to do, i would have failed as parent in teaching them about family obligations, duty, and doing what is right whether you want to or not.
Then let's call the parents names for their failure to teach this child. Not call her a 'selfish twit'.
Well, the story wasn't to hijack the thread to talk about what my friend should or shouldn't do - I'm just suggesting that there might be more to this story than the daughter "skipping out" on a great party.
I think assuming she is avoiding her whole family at her own graduation party for an unknown case of molestation is a big assumption. Especially when it's more likely, based on the OP, that she's a selfish little twit.
That's the thing though. We don't know. And it's not selfish if you don't go to get the money . . .
It's not about the money. It is about family milestones and being together as a family as they celebrate you. And, whether you "want" to go or not is irrelevant. If my kids only did what they want to do, i would have failed as parent in teaching them about family obligations, duty, and doing what is right whether you want to or not.
Then let's call the parents names for their failure to teach this child. Not call her a 'selfish twit'.
There comes a point when you are responsible for your actions. This is definitely that point.
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Well, the story wasn't to hijack the thread to talk about what my friend should or shouldn't do - I'm just suggesting that there might be more to this story than the daughter "skipping out" on a great party.
I think assuming she is avoiding her whole family at her own graduation party for an unknown case of molestation is a big assumption. Especially when it's more likely, based on the OP, that she's a selfish little twit.
That's the thing though. We don't know. And it's not selfish if you don't go to get the money . . .
It's not about the money. It is about family milestones and being together as a family as they celebrate you. And, whether you "want" to go or not is irrelevant. If my kids only did what they want to do, i would have failed as parent in teaching them about family obligations, duty, and doing what is right whether you want to or not.
Then let's call the parents names for their failure to teach this child. Not call her a 'selfish twit'.
Why not? She's graduating high school. She's technically an adult. Just because her parents had a hand in failing to teach her doesn't mean she is not actually a selfish twit. Who is to blame doesn't change the reality of what is.
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