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Parishioners visiting a church in Italy were told they must “pray in silence” so as not to disturb African migrants being housed there.

Some of the faithful hoping to practice their Christianity at the church of St. Anthony in Ventimiglia were surprised when they were told by Caritas volunteers they couldn’t recite the rosary and would instead have to pray in silence out of respect to migrants who are living there.

Caritas is ostensibly a Catholic charity, although much of its resources are spent on facilitating mass migration to Europe; the organisation even boasts that it contributes to and seeks to influence European Union (EU) “asylum” policies. Caritas reports that they have been distributing 600 meals a day to migrants in Ventimiglia.

After one of the female parishioners requested that the migrants be taken to another church so that she could recite the rosary, the parish priest, Don Rito, appeared and accompanied her and the other visitors to another church. 

The Northern Italian town of 55,000 people has recently been overwhelmed with hundreds of migrants. More than 50 Africans have been crossing into Ventimiglia every day, hoping that from there they will be able to enter France. The town’s mayor, Enrico Ioculano, has said that this is “an untenable situation”.

Mr. Ioculano has admitted that Ventimiglia is struggling to meet the costs of the migrant influx.  It was discovered that the national government will pay for less than half the town’s €220,000 bill — for unaccompanied migrants alone — accrued in the first five months of this year. Dozens of migrants in the area have also had to be vaccinated in recent days due to an outbreak of chickenpox amongst the migrant guests of St Anthony’s Church. 

Breitbart London has previously reported on churches across Europe where welcoming migrants has taken precedence over Christian worship. In Germany, an evangelical churchstripped out pews, the altar, and pulpit as well as all symbols of Christianity when offering it as a new home for migrants — so as to make them feel “more welcome in their new home”.

 

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/06/parishioners-told-pray-silence-migrants/



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And yet, tolerance gets preached at Christians. How about some tolerance for OUR beliefs?

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Why don't you go to Italy and ask them?

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You really believe things that happen in other countries will never happen here?



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It would NEVER happen in Canada that's why flan's moving there if the Donald gets elected...

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ummm... isn't praying DONE in silence?



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No. Lot's of people pray out loud.

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No. Lot's of people pray out loud.


 I've been to church many times and have not come across people independently praying out loud.



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I grew up in the church and prayers often spoken. ESPECIALLY Hail Mary's. After confession, you are supposed to say them out loud...

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In my church we say many prayers out loud. I love when people who don't even believe try to tell me how it works.

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In my church we say many prayers out loud. I love when people who don't even believe try to tell me how it works.


 I love when people assume and make asses out of themselves.

The parishioners were asked not to recite the rosary out loud. The rosary does not have to be said out loud, most say it "in their heart".

Of course the mass contains prayers, that is not the issue here.

 

 

 



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There are two basic ways to pray the Rosary—alone or with one or more people. If you are praying the Rosary with others, the custom is for one person to lead the group, primarily by saying the first half of each prayer and announcing each of the mysteries.

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The Rosary is often considered and called "silent meditation".
Silent meditations are the soul of the rosary.

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The Rosary is often considered and called "silent meditation".
Silent meditations are the soul of the rosary.


Not in any church I've attended.  Hail Mary's were ALWAYS said aloud... 



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The prayers of the Rosary

The rosary is made up of two things: mental prayer and vocal prayer. In the Holy Rosary mental prayer is none other than meditation of the chief mysteries of the life, death and glory of Jesus Christ and of His Blessed Mother. Vocal prayer consists in saying fifteen decades of the Hail Mary, each decade headed by an Our Father, while at the same time meditating on and contemplating the fifteen principal virtues which Jesus and Mary practised in the fifteen mysteries of the Holy Rosary.

www.rosary-center.org/secret.htm


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Yes. I'll take religious teachings from an atheist as the last word on praying...lol

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The Rosary is often considered and called "silent meditation".
Silent meditations are the soul of the rosary.


Not in any church I've attended.  Hail Mary's were ALWAYS said aloud... 


The Rosary ends with a hail Mary and a sign of the cross. 

Hail Mary does not have to be spoken loudly or at all.



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Yes. I'll take religious teachings from an atheist as the last word on praying...lol


 Assuming again eh? It doesn't make you look very bright when you do that.



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The Rosary is often considered and called "silent meditation".
Silent meditations are the soul of the rosary.


Not in any church I've attended.  Hail Mary's were ALWAYS said aloud... 


The Rosary ends with a hail Mary and a sign of the cross. 

Hail Mary does not have to be spoken loudly or at all.


Why don't you read the link I posted.  The Rosary is in fact required to be spoken aloud during certain prayers. 



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Yes. I'll take religious teachings from an atheist as the last word on praying...lol


 Assuming again eh? It doesn't make you look very bright when you do that.


 I still look brighter than you if you don't believe people pray out loud.



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apple wrote:
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Yes. I'll take religious teachings from an atheist as the last word on praying...lol


 Assuming again eh? It doesn't make you look very bright when you do that.


 I still look brighter than you if you don't believe people pray out loud.


Seriously...

I have my doubts apple has even been in a church... 



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Ohfour wrote:
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Yes. I'll take religious teachings from an atheist as the last word on praying...lol


 Assuming again eh? It doesn't make you look very bright when you do that.


 I still look brighter than you if you don't believe people pray out loud.


Seriously...

I have my doubts apple has even been in a church... 


 I'm sure you do. You like to pigeonhole people. Well you'd be very wrong.



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Prayer is actually just as effective if it's silent.

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Ohfour wrote:
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Yes. I'll take religious teachings from an atheist as the last word on praying...lol


 Assuming again eh? It doesn't make you look very bright when you do that.


 I still look brighter than you if you don't believe people pray out loud.


Seriously...

I have my doubts apple has even been in a church... 


 What does that have to do with anything?

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apple wrote:
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Tinydancer wrote:
apple wrote:
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Yes. I'll take religious teachings from an atheist as the last word on praying...lol


 Assuming again eh? It doesn't make you look very bright when you do that.


 I still look brighter than you if you don't believe people pray out loud.


Seriously...

I have my doubts apple has even been in a church... 


 I'm sure you do. You like to pigeonhole people. Well you'd be very wrong.


Well, you sure don't know much about vocal prayer, seeing that you said you've never heard one...confuse 



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Ohfour wrote:
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Ohfour wrote:
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apple wrote:
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Yes. I'll take religious teachings from an atheist as the last word on praying...lol


 Assuming again eh? It doesn't make you look very bright when you do that.


 I still look brighter than you if you don't believe people pray out loud.


Seriously...

I have my doubts apple has even been in a church... 


 I'm sure you do. You like to pigeonhole people. Well you'd be very wrong.


Well, you sure don't know much about vocal prayer, seeing that you said you've never heard one...confuse 


 

Comprehension issues .... The rosary does not have to be said out loud. Of course mass contains vocal prayer, church services would be pretty strange without prayer.



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flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
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Tinydancer wrote:

Yes. I'll take religious teachings from an atheist as the last word on praying...lol


 Assuming again eh? It doesn't make you look very bright when you do that.


 I still look brighter than you if you don't believe people pray out loud.


Seriously...

I have my doubts apple has even been in a church... 


 What does that have to do with anything?

flan


She makes claims that, anyone who has even attended one service, knows to be false...



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Ohfour wrote:
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Ohfour wrote:
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apple wrote:
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Yes. I'll take religious teachings from an atheist as the last word on praying...lol


 Assuming again eh? It doesn't make you look very bright when you do that.


 I still look brighter than you if you don't believe people pray out loud.


Seriously...

I have my doubts apple has even been in a church... 


 What does that have to do with anything?

flan


She makes claims that, anyone who has even attended one service, knows to be false...


 And you as usual seem to be an expert on the Catholic churches of the world. lol



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apple wrote:
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apple wrote:
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Yes. I'll take religious teachings from an atheist as the last word on praying...lol


 Assuming again eh? It doesn't make you look very bright when you do that.


 I still look brighter than you if you don't believe people pray out loud.


Seriously...

I have my doubts apple has even been in a church... 


 I'm sure you do. You like to pigeonhole people. Well you'd be very wrong.


Well, you sure don't know much about vocal prayer, seeing that you said you've never heard one...confuse 


 

Comprehension issues .... The rosary does not have to be said out loud. Of course mass contains vocal prayer, church services would be pretty strange without prayer.


Really?  I'm the one with comprehension issues?  LOL!  What lala land does your head reside in? 

 

 

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The rosary is made up of two things: mental prayer and vocal prayer. In the Holy Rosary mental prayer is none other than meditation of the chief mysteries of the life, death and glory of Jesus Christ and of His Blessed Mother. Vocal prayer consists in saying fifteen decades of the Hail Mary, each decade headed by an Our Father, while at the same time meditating on and contemplating the fifteen principal virtues which Jesus and Mary practised in the fifteen mysteries of the Holy Rosary.
 



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apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
apple wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:

Yes. I'll take religious teachings from an atheist as the last word on praying...lol


 Assuming again eh? It doesn't make you look very bright when you do that.


 I still look brighter than you if you don't believe people pray out loud.


Seriously...

I have my doubts apple has even been in a church... 


 What does that have to do with anything?

flan


She makes claims that, anyone who has even attended one service, knows to be false...


 And you as usual seem to be an expert on the Catholic churches of the world. lol


I obviously know more than you do... 



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Ohfour wrote:
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Ohfour wrote:
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Ohfour wrote:
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apple wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:

Yes. I'll take religious teachings from an atheist as the last word on praying...lol


 Assuming again eh? It doesn't make you look very bright when you do that.


 I still look brighter than you if you don't believe people pray out loud.


Seriously...

I have my doubts apple has even been in a church... 


 What does that have to do with anything?

flan


She makes claims that, anyone who has even attended one service, knows to be false...


 And you as usual seem to be an expert on the Catholic churches of the world. lol


I obviously know more than you do... 


 Right because you are a processional Catholic? You have no idea what my religious background is yet you assume that you are an expert in all things Catholic. Amazing....



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Wow. I think you are talking about yourself there apple.

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Wow, you really should open your eyes a bit.


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apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
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Ohfour wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
apple wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:

Yes. I'll take religious teachings from an atheist as the last word on praying...lol


 Assuming again eh? It doesn't make you look very bright when you do that.


 I still look brighter than you if you don't believe people pray out loud.


Seriously...

I have my doubts apple has even been in a church... 


 What does that have to do with anything?

flan


She makes claims that, anyone who has even attended one service, knows to be false...


 And you as usual seem to be an expert on the Catholic churches of the world. lol


I obviously know more than you do... 


 Right because you are a processional Catholic? You have no idea what my religious background is yet you assume that you are an expert in all things Catholic. Amazing....


Not an expert, but I DEFINITELY have more knowledge than you do...could not be more obvious... 



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That's a good idea, church. Alienate the parishioners that support you. You are already having trouble supporting all the migrants - what are you going to do when those members decided to PERMANENTLY go to another church? They take their money with them.

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If one's VOCAL prayer causes anxiety or hostility in others then doing so silently will avoid the problem and still allow to communicate with the deity.

If, on the other hand, one prays out loud when it could have been done silently and you know it causes pain in another, that act would be unkind. Some say sinful.

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Pain? Geez get a grip.

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If one's VOCAL prayer causes anxiety or hostility in others then doing so silently will avoid the problem and still allow to communicate with the deity.

If, on the other hand, one prays out loud when it could have been done silently and you know it causes pain in another, that act would be unkind. Some say sinful.


LOL!  You CAN'T be serious????  You just keep me in awe!

HOW does praying out loud cause pain?  Really? 

I think that needs to go on the Hall of Fame thread...hmm 



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There are many ways to pray.

Truth is, there needn't be words at all.

God knows the desires of our heart.

Prayer is an act of worship.

The purpose in which we prat is important.

If you pray for the benefit of others knowing you are praying, then that isn't right and your prayers are not going any further than your lips.

But while praying in earnest, sometimes a person will become vocal.

And that is fine.

It may be barely a whisper or it could become wailing.

The point of the OP isn't about the volume of the prayer.

It's about not offending someone in the church.

Now I don't know about you, but if I am in a church, I expect to hear the prayers of those worshipping there.

For a person to be told to not disturb someone seeking refuge in a church by praying is just beyond wrong.

While not in America, this is a church that has stifled it's parishioners right to pray as they are lead in their own church.

And that is a direct result of Lucifer having his way on this planet.



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If one's VOCAL prayer causes anxiety or hostility in others then doing so silently will avoid the problem and still allow to communicate with the deity.

If, on the other hand, one prays out loud when it could have been done silently and you know it causes pain in another, that act would be unkind. Some say sinful.


 The only way prayer to God causes pain is when there are demonic influences.



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There are many ways to pray.

Truth is, there needn't be words at all.

God knows the desires of our heart.

Prayer is an act of worship.

The purpose in which we prat is important.

If you pray for the benefit of others knowing you are praying, then that isn't right and your prayers are not going any further than your lips.

But while praying in earnest, sometimes a person will become vocal.

And that is fine.

It may be barely a whisper or it could become wailing.

The point of the OP isn't about the volume of the prayer.

It's about not offending someone in the church.

Now I don't know about you, but if I am in a church, I expect to hear the prayers of those worshipping there.

For a person to be told to not disturb someone seeking refuge in a church by praying is just beyond wrong.

While not in America, this is a church that has stifled it's parishioners right to pray as they are lead in their own church.

And that is a direct result of Lucifer having his way on this planet.


 An act of kindness, offered by the church. 

 

Not the act of Lucifer. 



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Church tells it's own members not to pray out loud.

Lucifer's handprints are all over that.



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Church tells it's own members not to pray out loud.

Lucifer's handprints are all over that.


 Nope. Read the OP again.

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There are many ways to pray.

Truth is, there needn't be words at all.

God knows the desires of our heart.

Prayer is an act of worship.

The purpose in which we prat is important.

If you pray for the benefit of others knowing you are praying, then that isn't right and your prayers are not going any further than your lips.

But while praying in earnest, sometimes a person will become vocal.

And that is fine.

It may be barely a whisper or it could become wailing.

The point of the OP isn't about the volume of the prayer.

It's about not offending someone in the church.

Now I don't know about you, but if I am in a church, I expect to hear the prayers of those worshipping there.

For a person to be told to not disturb someone seeking refuge in a church by praying is just beyond wrong.

While not in America, this is a church that has stifled it's parishioners right to pray as they are lead in their own church.

And that is a direct result of Lucifer having his way on this planet.


 An act of kindness, offered by the church. 

 

Not the act of Lucifer. 


 An act of kindness where they expect the parishioners to change their way of praying. When someone does me a favor I don't expect them to change things to suit me.



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If one's VOCAL prayer causes anxiety or hostility in others then doing so silently will avoid the problem and still allow to communicate with the deity.

If, on the other hand, one prays out loud when it could have been done silently and you know it causes pain in another, that act would be unkind. Some say sinful.


 Did ya ever notice how they deny sin then all of the sudden want to start talking about it if they think it somehow makes their point!  LMAO!!



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And did ya notice how freedom of speech doesn't seem to apply when they don't want it to apply? Sit down and Shut Up!

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apple wrote:
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There are many ways to pray.

Truth is, there needn't be words at all.

God knows the desires of our heart.

Prayer is an act of worship.

The purpose in which we prat is important.

If you pray for the benefit of others knowing you are praying, then that isn't right and your prayers are not going any further than your lips.

But while praying in earnest, sometimes a person will become vocal.

And that is fine.

It may be barely a whisper or it could become wailing.

The point of the OP isn't about the volume of the prayer.

It's about not offending someone in the church.

Now I don't know about you, but if I am in a church, I expect to hear the prayers of those worshipping there.

For a person to be told to not disturb someone seeking refuge in a church by praying is just beyond wrong.

While not in America, this is a church that has stifled it's parishioners right to pray as they are lead in their own church.

And that is a direct result of Lucifer having his way on this planet.


 An act of kindness, offered by the church. 

 

Not the act of Lucifer. 


 Telling people not to pray in God's house b/c it might disturb someone is not ok.  No matter what you think.



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These migrants are guests of the church. If the prayer bothers them then they should go elsewhere for food & shelter. They should understand that when seeking refuge you accept it as given & don't expect your host to conform to your wishes.

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If they don't like it, then leave. You don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Sheesh.

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apple wrote:

If one's VOCAL prayer causes anxiety or hostility in others then doing so silently will avoid the problem and still allow to communicate with the deity.

If, on the other hand, one prays out loud when it could have been done silently and you know it causes pain in another, that act would be unkind. Some say sinful.


 Doing so in another church will do the same thing.  Any church that would tell me not to pray out loud is not a church I want to be in.  

 

And please tell me how prayer causes pain?  The only way I know it causes pain is if you are possessed by demons and need to be exorcised.  Otherwise - how does hearing prayer HURT?



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