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Ohfour · Hooker

13 Dead 59 Shot in Chicago over Father's Day Weekend

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

I guess shootings in Chicago have become so common, the news agencies don't consider them to be worth reporting.

Just my best guess.

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apple · Guru

Sad to say, it seems not a week goes by without some sort of mass shooting incident.

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
Sad to say, it seems not a week goes by without some sort of mass shooting incident.

This wasn't a mass shooting incident. Most of these were one offs. Gang bangers...

apple · Guru

At least 28 people were wounded, three fatally, in shootings from 8:30 a.m. Saturday to 4:30 a.m. Sunday, the equivalent of somebody shot every 43 minutes. One fatal shooting occurred during a possible murder-suicide in Hyde Park about 9:50 a.m. Saturday, police said. Police responded to the 1400 block of East 54th Street for a well-being check and found a 65-year-old woman with a gunshot wound to the head. A man, 73, also was found shot in the head.

Five more people were killed and seven others, including the 3-year-old boy, were wounded from Sunday afternoon to early Monday. One of the fatalities Sunday was a 21-year-old man shot with “possibly an AK-47’’ assault rifle in the Back of the Yards neighborhood, according to police. Police intially said the victim was 17. The 21-year-old, who the Cook County medical examiner's office said was Salvador Suarez, was walking east in the 1700 block of West 46th Street around 1:30 p.m. when a light-colored, four-door Saturn pulled up and fired shots with a "high-powered semi-automatic weapon," striking the victim as he attempted to run, said Eugene Roy, chief of detectives for the Chicago police.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

La la la.

FNW · Guru

I wish they would start reporting the murders by other weapons. Or with bare hands.

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
At least 28 people were wounded, three fatally, in shootings from 8:30 a.m. Saturday to 4:30 a.m. Sunday, the equivalent of somebody shot every 43 minutes. One fatal shooting occurred during a possible murder-suicide in Hyde Park about 9:50 a.m. Saturday, police said. Police responded to the 1400 block of East 54th Street for a well-being check and found a 65-year-old woman with a gunshot wound to the head. A man, 73, also was found shot in the head.

Five more people were killed and seven others, including the 3-year-old boy, were wounded from Sunday afternoon to early Monday. One of the fatalities Sunday was a 21-year-old man shot with “possibly an AK-47’’ assault rifle in the Back of the Yards neighborhood, according to police. Police intially said the victim was 17. The 21-year-old, who the Cook County medical examiner's office said was Salvador Suarez, was walking east in the 1700 block of West 46th Street around 1:30 p.m. when a light-colored, four-door Saturn pulled up and fired shots with a "high-powered semi-automatic weapon," striking the victim as he attempted to run, said Eugene Roy, chief of detectives for the Chicago police.

Still wasn't a mass shooting. They had nothing to do with each other...

Ohfour · Hooker

Oh, and this was all in a gun free zone...

apple · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
At least 28 people were wounded, three fatally, in shootings from 8:30 a.m. Saturday to 4:30 a.m. Sunday, the equivalent of somebody shot every 43 minutes. One fatal shooting occurred during a possible murder-suicide in Hyde Park about 9:50 a.m. Saturday, police said. Police responded to the 1400 block of East 54th Street for a well-being check and found a 65-year-old woman with a gunshot wound to the head. A man, 73, also was found shot in the head.

Five more people were killed and seven others, including the 3-year-old boy, were wounded from Sunday afternoon to early Monday. One of the fatalities Sunday was a 21-year-old man shot with “possibly an AK-47’’ assault rifle in the Back of the Yards neighborhood, according to police. Police intially said the victim was 17. The 21-year-old, who the Cook County medical examiner's office said was Salvador Suarez, was walking east in the 1700 block of West 46th Street around 1:30 p.m. when a light-colored, four-door Saturn pulled up and fired shots with a "high-powered semi-automatic weapon," striking the victim as he attempted to run, said Eugene Roy, chief of detectives for the Chicago police.
Still wasn't a mass shooting. They had nothing to do with each other...

I realize that, thank you. I was pointing out the statistic, highlighted. Its quite shocking.

How do you suddenly make a place full of guns, gun free?

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
At least 28 people were wounded, three fatally, in shootings from 8:30 a.m. Saturday to 4:30 a.m. Sunday, the equivalent of somebody shot every 43 minutes. One fatal shooting occurred during a possible murder-suicide in Hyde Park about 9:50 a.m. Saturday, police said. Police responded to the 1400 block of East 54th Street for a well-being check and found a 65-year-old woman with a gunshot wound to the head. A man, 73, also was found shot in the head.

Five more people were killed and seven others, including the 3-year-old boy, were wounded from Sunday afternoon to early Monday. One of the fatalities Sunday was a 21-year-old man shot with “possibly an AK-47’’ assault rifle in the Back of the Yards neighborhood, according to police. Police intially said the victim was 17. The 21-year-old, who the Cook County medical examiner's office said was Salvador Suarez, was walking east in the 1700 block of West 46th Street around 1:30 p.m. when a light-colored, four-door Saturn pulled up and fired shots with a "high-powered semi-automatic weapon," striking the victim as he attempted to run, said Eugene Roy, chief of detectives for the Chicago police.
Still wasn't a mass shooting. They had nothing to do with each other...
I realize that, thank you. I was pointing out the statistic, highlighted. Its quite shocking.

How do you suddenly make a place full of guns, gun free?

Chicago has been gun free for decades now. The guns that are being used are pretty new. The criminals just really don't care about the law...

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
Sad to say, it seems not a week goes by without some sort of mass shooting incident.
This wasn't a mass shooting incident. Most of these were one offs. Gang bangers...

What's your "solution?" Arm every single CHILD and TEEN in a city the size of Chicago?

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
Sad to say, it seems not a week goes by without some sort of mass shooting incident.
This wasn't a mass shooting incident. Most of these were one offs. Gang bangers...
What's your "solution?" Arm every single CHILD and TEEN in a city the size of Chicago?
flan

No, but arm enough people that the criminals would be afraid to shoot...

apple · Guru

It is difficult to comprehend that more guns in the world would equate to less violence.
The statistics show that the more guns there are, the more gun deaths there are.

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
It is difficult to comprehend that more guns in the world would equate to less violence.
The statistics show that the more guns there are, the more gun deaths there are.

Not really true.

The places that allow guns have FAR FAR less instances of gun violence than the places that are gun free.

apple · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
It is difficult to comprehend that more guns in the world would equate to less violence.
The statistics show that the more guns there are, the more gun deaths there are.
Not really true.
The places that allow guns have FAR FAR less instances of gun violence than the places that are gun free.

I'm talking about countries. Countries with fewer guns have fewer gun deaths, it is logical.

FNW · Guru

Are we talking about the smaller countries in areas where winters last 10 months out of the year and no one leaves their home except for necessities? I suspect the murder rate goes down in Chicago, too, during the winters. Don't know, but it would be my guess based on a winter day I drove around the ghettos of Philly and saw very few people out and about.

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
It is difficult to comprehend that more guns in the world would equate to less violence.
The statistics show that the more guns there are, the more gun deaths there are.
Not really true.
The places that allow guns have FAR FAR less instances of gun violence than the places that are gun free.
I'm talking about countries. Countries with fewer guns have fewer gun deaths, it is logical.

Yes, but they have higher percentages of other deaths.

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
It is difficult to comprehend that more guns in the world would equate to less violence.
The statistics show that the more guns there are, the more gun deaths there are.
Not really true.
The places that allow guns have FAR FAR less instances of gun violence than the places that are gun free.
I'm talking about countries. Countries with fewer guns have fewer gun deaths, it is logical.

And the worst mass shooting in the world was in a country that has banned guns.

apple · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
It is difficult to comprehend that more guns in the world would equate to less violence.
The statistics show that the more guns there are, the more gun deaths there are.
Not really true.
The places that allow guns have FAR FAR less instances of gun violence than the places that are gun free.
I'm talking about countries. Countries with fewer guns have fewer gun deaths, it is logical.

Yes, but they have higher percentages of other deaths.

Do you have a link for that? I'd be interested in seeing it.

apple · Guru

www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Canada/United-States/Crime

Ohfour · Hooker

www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Total-crimes-per-1000

apple · Guru

www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Murder-rate

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

The battle of the sites!!!!

(Actually, one site, but different stats)

flan

apple · Guru

I call it a 'LINK-off".

The internet is like the bible, people find what they want and ignore the rest. lol!!

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

And, the bottom line, no matter what stats we quote, is that innocent people are dying. Lives are being cut short.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

apple wrote:
I call it a 'LINK-off".

The internet is like the bible, people find what they want and ignore the rest. lol!!

That makes sense!

Is there ever a winner????

flan

FNW · Guru

Venezuela for the win!

FNW · Guru

Oops, I mean Guatemala.

FNW · Guru

No, wait. Honduras. This is too complicated. I would rather it be listed from highest to lowest, rather than alphabetically.

Ohfour · Hooker

HAHAHAHAHA FNW!!!!!!

apple · Guru

Honduras wins but El Salvador is first runner up...

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

There were more guns per capita in the U.S. 100 years ago with fewer violent shootings, what has changed in society to increase violence rates, certainly isn't an increase in per capita ownership.

apple · Guru

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
There were more guns per capita in the U.S. 100 years ago with fewer violent shootings, what has changed in society to increase violence rates, certainly isn't an increase in per capita ownership.

Ummm... That makes total sense, THINK about what guns were like 100 years ago.... confuse

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

As a matter of fact, per capita gun ownership and gun violence has an inverse relationship. As gun ownership fell violence increased.

Lindley · Guru

Guns isn't the problem but lack of structure, solid family, and lack of good roll models. Majority of babies being born to very young unwed mothers, no father in site. The strong male role models are gang bangers. Rappers and other celebrities glorifying the gangster culture. You can ban guns all you want but it wouldn't stop them from obtaining them anymore then illegal drugs.

FNW · Guru

Yep. Borders, culture, & language. That's the root cause.

apple · Guru

Lindley wrote:
Guns isn't the problem but lack of structure, solid family, and lack of good roll models. Majority of babies being born to very young unwed mothers, no father in site. The strong male role models are gang bangers. Rappers and other celebrities glorifying the gangster culture. You can ban guns all you want but it wouldn't stop them from obtaining them anymore then illegal drugs.

Its a culture of violence and entitlement. I agree.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

apple wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
There were more guns per capita in the U.S. 100 years ago with fewer violent shootings, what has changed in society to increase violence rates, certainly isn't an increase in per capita ownership.
Ummm... That makes total sense, THINK about what guns were like 100 years ago....

What does that have to do with frequency of violence?

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
Lindley wrote:
Guns isn't the problem but lack of structure, solid family, and lack of good roll models. Majority of babies being born to very young unwed mothers, no father in site. The strong male role models are gang bangers. Rappers and other celebrities glorifying the gangster culture. You can ban guns all you want but it wouldn't stop them from obtaining them anymore then illegal drugs.
Its a culture of violence and entitlement. I agree.

Something I think we can all agree on. The games, the music, the movies and TV shows...they all glorify violence and sex.

apple · Guru

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
apple wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
There were more guns per capita in the U.S. 100 years ago with fewer violent shootings, what has changed in society to increase violence rates, certainly isn't an increase in per capita ownership.
Ummm... That makes total sense, THINK about what guns were like 100 years ago....
What does that have to do with frequency of violence?

If a shooter can only get off 1 shot, there is less death than if a shooter can get off hundreds of rounds.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

People really think that more violence is the result in gun technology over the decline in societal values and morals? Interesting.

apple · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
People really think that more violence is the result in gun technology over the decline in societal values and morals? Interesting.

If a gun a hundred years ago, in the hands of a shooter, could only get out 1 shot and a gun today can get out hundreds in the same time frame then yes it is a factor.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
People really think that more violence is the result in gun technology over the decline in societal values and morals? Interesting.
If a gun a hundred years ago, in the hands of a shooter, could only get out 1 shot and a gun today can get out hundreds in the same time frame then yes it is a factor.

No, it isn't. Because the one thing that hasn't changed is that a gun requires a person to shoot it. Therefor - the change in the PEOPLE and their values is what matters.

apple · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
People really think that more violence is the result in gun technology over the decline in societal values and morals? Interesting.
If a gun a hundred years ago, in the hands of a shooter, could only get out 1 shot and a gun today can get out hundreds in the same time frame then yes it is a factor.

No, it isn't. Because the one thing that hasn't changed is that a gun requires a person to shoot it. Therefor - the change in the PEOPLE and their values is what matters.

You are being deliberately obtuse OF COURSE it makes a difference how many shots you can get out in a minute. jeeeze... I'm done with you, you are completely unreasonable and argumentative today.

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
People really think that more violence is the result in gun technology over the decline in societal values and morals? Interesting.
If a gun a hundred years ago, in the hands of a shooter, could only get out 1 shot and a gun today can get out hundreds in the same time frame then yes it is a factor.

Yeah, I have all sorts of antique guns, none of them are 1 shooters. most as 6-10...

Don't know of any gun that only holds one shot. Maybe a single barrel shotgun?

apple · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
Lindley wrote:
Guns isn't the problem but lack of structure, solid family, and lack of good roll models. Majority of babies being born to very young unwed mothers, no father in site. The strong male role models are gang bangers. Rappers and other celebrities glorifying the gangster culture. You can ban guns all you want but it wouldn't stop them from obtaining them anymore then illegal drugs.
Its a culture of violence and entitlement. I agree.
Something I think we can all agree on. The games, the music, the movies and TV shows...they all glorify violence and sex.

What can be done though? These are all commercial endeavors that make money off sex and violence.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
People really think that more violence is the result in gun technology over the decline in societal values and morals? Interesting.
If a gun a hundred years ago, in the hands of a shooter, could only get out 1 shot and a gun today can get out hundreds in the same time frame then yes it is a factor.

No, it isn't. Because the one thing that hasn't changed is that a gun requires a person to shoot it. Therefor - the change in the PEOPLE and their values is what matters.
You are being deliberately obtuse OF COURSE it makes a difference how many shots you can get out in a minute. jeeeze... I'm done with you, you are completely unreasonable and argumentative today.

Not if the person holding it doesn't want to shoot and kill people.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
People really think that more violence is the result in gun technology over the decline in societal values and morals? Interesting.
If a gun a hundred years ago, in the hands of a shooter, could only get out 1 shot and a gun today can get out hundreds in the same time frame then yes it is a factor.

No, it isn't. Because the one thing that hasn't changed is that a gun requires a person to shoot it. Therefor - the change in the PEOPLE and their values is what matters.

They are BOTH factors, LL, that's what makes attempting to solve the problem so very difficult.

Which would you rather be facing? A gun that shoots one bullet & needs to be reloaded OR the choice of gun used by mass shooters?

flan

p.s. And it is incredibly insulting to beat that old tired horse..."Guns don't kill people..."

apple · Guru

Dear flan,

Lawnmowers don't cut grass, people do.

:)