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Dear Amy: At a play group recently with my toddler son, another mother with whom I am acquainted (but not close to) mentioned in the course of conversation that she washed her 5-year-old’s mouth out with soap to curb his lying. She obviously thought it was no big deal.

I was so shocked I didn’t know how to respond. While I agree it’s necessary to teach young children how to be truthful, I neither believe a 5-year-old is old enough to grasp fully the consequences of dishonesty, nor do I think the lies could be of such an extreme nature to warrant a severe punishment.

I believe that washing a child’s mouth out with soap is tantamount to child abuse.

What can I do in the future to share my perspective with a parent who divulges such behavior? I realize it’s not my child and the parent’s actions do not affect me or my child directly, but it’s challenging to not take action when a child is treated in such a way. — Wondering parent

Dear Parent: First of all, washing a mouth out with soap to curb a 5-year-old’s lying? This particular punishment has traditionally been used to try to curb a young child’s potty mouth. The effort to “wash” bad words from a child’s mouth at least makes sense symbolically, using (childish) logic that children can perhaps understand on some level.

Forcing anything — certainly anything toxic, such as soap — into the mouth of a child is abuse. Would the mother think it was “no big deal” if someone else (say, a teacher) did this to her child?

Children do survive this awful brand of parenting, and sometimes they go on to laugh about it with their parents later. Sometimes, not — especially if the terrible judgment leads to other abusive punishments.

My own mother, who was a caring and compassionate parent, admitted to using this soap technique one time. But she said more than once during my childhood that she felt terrible and foolish doing it, and that it had been a mistake, and that she would never do it again.

Having a parent admit to such a mistake when I was a child was a powerful lesson. Parents make dumb mistakes, just as children do.

All children lie. Parents should make sure the child knows not only that lying is wrong, but that the truth will set them free.

Young children frequently lie about mistakes they have made. A parent needs to convey, “It is OK for you to tell me about bad things you have done. I trust you to tell me the truth, and you can trust me to help you deal with your own mistakes.”

When a parent admits to you that she has done something abusive, you should respond, “Wow — I find that shocking. That is abusive. I hope you don’t ever do that again.” If the parent doesn’t take this feedback well, then so be it. At least you have told the truth, and she can’t shove soap into your mouth to punish you for it.



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First of all, a 5 year old is capable of discerning truth from fiction/lies. People need to quit underestimating their children. Seriously ? Damn straight a 5 year old knows if something is a lie. And if they keep lying they need to be taught a lesson.

I personally don't think it's abuse. Abuse is a pretty serious word and I don't think this meets the standard.

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Mellow Momma wrote:

First of all, a 5 year old is capable of discerning truth from fiction/lies. People need to quit underestimating their children. Seriously ? Damn straight a 5 year old knows if something is a lie. And if they keep lying they need to be taught a lesson.

I personally don't think it's abuse. Abuse is a pretty serious word and I don't think this meets the standard.


 Yes, I agree 100%, but considering that I "never" answer questions here...evileye

How about: "It's wrong AND there are better ways of dealing with the problem?"

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Everything isn't "abuse". It can be abuse, yes. But, for good parents who might have done this on occasion, it most certainly is not. And, did they put a bit of dishsoap on the tongue or have them put a bar in their mouth for a minute? Then no. If they sat on the kid and shoved bars of soap into their mouth or poured a bottle of dishsoap, then yes. Context is everything.
For the record, i never did that personally.

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I did it. And it worked when nothing else did. I would do it again too.

 

edited to add :  DD was a teenager when I did it. And she earned it. 



-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Monday 4th of July 2016 10:49:18 AM

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Soap toxic? So it's ok to allow the kid to bathe in this seemingly toxic bar of doom? It is not abuse. Washing one's mouth out with soap sends a powerful message that kids can understand. When DS was about 4 he started in with the back top and nastiness to me in front of my parent's friends. I took him right into the bathroom and washed his mouth out with soap. It did the trick, and he was stunned!

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Mellow Momma wrote:

First of all, a 5 year old is capable of discerning truth from fiction/lies. People need to quit underestimating their children. Seriously ? Damn straight a 5 year old knows if something is a lie. And if they keep lying they need to be taught a lesson.

I personally don't think it's abuse. Abuse is a pretty serious word and I don't think this meets the standard.


 I agree completely.  



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What if soap doesn't work? What do you force down your child's mouth next?

And, not ALL products made for the OUTSIDE of our bodies are made to be INGESTED.

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I am not judging those who did, but I wouldn't do it.

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It, it was soap Poisoning.

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They are not supposed to eat it. You put it on their tongue and then they spend the next 5 minutes swishing and rinsing and spitting.

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

It, it was soap Poisoning.


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HAHA.

A couple years ago #1 was going through a phase where he was talking back a lot and being downright disrespectful to me and to his grandparents. So yeah, I washed his mouth out. Actually, very little went in the mouth, mostly on his lips and area around his mouth. But it was done calmly, explaining every step of the way why and how to make sure to spit it and not swallow.

It worked.

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flan327 wrote:

What if soap doesn't work? What do you force down your child's mouth next?

And, not ALL products made for the OUTSIDE of our bodies are made to be INGESTED.

flan


 Well, what if Time out doesn't work? Are you going to lock them in solitary confinement?  Dont' be ridiculous.  It it doesn't work, then you enact other punishments.  That doesn't mean you jump to something ridiculous.  Sheesh.



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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:

What if soap doesn't work? What do you force down your child's mouth next?

And, not ALL products made for the OUTSIDE of our bodies are made to be INGESTED.

flan


 Well, what if Time out doesn't work? Are you going to lock them in solitary confinement?  Dont' be ridiculous.  It it doesn't work, then you enact other punishments.  That doesn't mean you jump to something ridiculous.  Sheesh.


 I have no idea what your reply means. Sheesh.

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flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:

What if soap doesn't work? What do you force down your child's mouth next?

And, not ALL products made for the OUTSIDE of our bodies are made to be INGESTED.

flan


 Well, what if Time out doesn't work? Are you going to lock them in solitary confinement?  Dont' be ridiculous.  It it doesn't work, then you enact other punishments.  That doesn't mean you jump to something ridiculous.  Sheesh.


 I have no idea what your reply means. Sheesh.

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 It means your question was stupid.  

 

Because, of course, everyone knows the answer is hot tar. evileye



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I've never done it, never had to do it.

But, no, it isnt abuse.



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And feathers. Don't forget the feathers.

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Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:

What if soap doesn't work? What do you force down your child's mouth next?

And, not ALL products made for the OUTSIDE of our bodies are made to be INGESTED.

flan


 Well, what if Time out doesn't work? Are you going to lock them in solitary confinement?  Dont' be ridiculous.  It it doesn't work, then you enact other punishments.  That doesn't mean you jump to something ridiculous.  Sheesh.


 I have no idea what your reply means. Sheesh.

flan


 It means your question was stupid.  

 

Because, of course, everyone knows the answer is hot tar. evileye


 Dayum, how could I forget that?! Hot tar, of course!

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And feathers. Don't forget the feathers.


 Chicken? Turkey? Pigeon????

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flan327 wrote:
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And feathers. Don't forget the feathers.


 Chicken? Turkey? Pigeon????

flan


 Doesn't matter. As long as it's free range. 



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And organic.

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NO.

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I want to see this chick tell the other mom in the middle of a play group that she is abusing her kid. That should go over well!

Dear Carolyn, how do I tell a virtual stranger in front of a crowd of people that they are mean cruel abusers of their children?

You don't. Keep your trap shut.

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Unless it's actual abuse in which case you call CPS.

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Mellow Momma wrote:

Unless it's actual abuse in which case you call CPS.


 Exactly!



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