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CNN)Ramadan draws to a close Tuesday, following weeks of bloodshed throughout the world as Islamist extremists have sought to sow terror during the Muslim holy month.

The scale of the carnage inflicted by extremists over the past week alone has been staggering. Just some of the more bloody attacks: more than 200 killed by a truck bomb in a crowded Baghdad market; 44 killed at an airport in Istanbul, Turkey; 23 killed in a siege of a café in Dhaka, Bangladesh.
But among the most horrifying in its symbolism for many of the world's Muslims was the attack in the Saudi city of Medina -- the resting place of the Prophet Mohammed and the second holiest site in Islam.
The attack -- the deadliest of three that occurred in Saudi Arabia during in a 24-hour span -- killed four security staff in a parking lot outside the Prophet's Mosque, the grand place of worship that was created in an expansion of the original humble mosque built by the Prophet.
For many Muslims worldwide, as Haroon Moghul, senior fellow at the Center for Global Policy, writes, this was "an assault on Islam itself."
 

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The Medina attack prompted an outpouring of outrage and condemnation, prompting hashtags such as #PrayForMadinah and #bombingattheholysiteofmedina to trend on social media.
Many tweets in Arabic apologized to the Prophet Mohammed for the attackers having struck in the city, seen in Islamic tradition as a safe haven for the Prophet after he led the persecuted early Muslim community there from Mecca.
"O Messenger of Allah...They did not respect the prestige of your residence in their neighbourhood," wrote one Twitter user.
Many expressed the view that no Muslim could have targeted one of the religion's holy cities, or were quick to distance Islam from the attacks.
"Three bomb attack in 24hrs in the holiest place for Muslims," wrote one Twitter user. "(H)ow can anyone relate Islam to terrorism?!"
Another wrote that the mosque was "one of the most peaceful places on earth."
"Terrorism has no religion!"
I couldn't even speak loudly there.. How can you carry a bomb there!! Muslim cannot do it," wrote Mahammed Naushad.
Others pointed out that many of the recent Ramadan attacks occurred in Muslim countries.
"Before blaming Muslims for ISIS, remember that ISIS terrorist attacks is targeting more Muslims than any other groups. #ISISAttackingMuslims," wrote Reem AlHarmi.
Hashtags also circulated calling on people to change their profile picture to the Saudi flag in solidarity, while other responses suggested a tipping point may have been reached in the Muslim world's response to terrorism the wake of the attack.
"Saudi has to call for an Islamic summit to fight ISIS under the banner of defending the burial place of the Prophet Muhammad and every Muslim will respond," wrote Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi.
The Sunni kingdom's Shia nemesis, Iran, was among the governments denouncing the attack.
"There are no more red lines left for terrorists to cross," Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said on Twitter. "Sunnis, Shiites will both remain victims unless we stand united as one."

Month of carnage

While there has been no claim of responsibility so far for the Saudi attacks, analysts believe that, like a number of other attacks this Ramadan, they could be the work of ISIS or its sympathizers.
For the vast majority of Muslims, the holy month is a time for fasting, prayer and good actions, but Islamist terror groups see it as an especially auspicious time to launch attacks.
ISIS, facing the loss of its territory in Iraq, had called on its followers to launch attacks this Ramadan, and the response has been a string of deadly incidents around the world.
As well as the attacks in Baghdad, Istanbul, Dhaka and Saudi Arabia, extremists have struck in YemenJordan andLebanon.
ISIS has claimed responsibility for some of these attacks, and authorities believe other perpetrators were inspired by the terror group.
The attacks continued into Tuesday, when a suicide bomber tried to enter police headquarters in the central Javanese city of Solo, Indonesia, wounding a police officer, authorities said.
An Indonesian official said it was too early to know who was behind the attack.
Tim Lister, a CNN expert on Middle East affairs, said the Saudi attacks fit the "modus operandi" of ISIS and that the kingdom, a key U.S. ally in the Muslim world, represents "a real target to show" ISIS "can punch above its weight."
"Saudi Arabia is a big target for them. They have a lot of Saudi fighters in their ranks. They regard the Saudi monarchy as having betrayed Islam."
Peter Bergen, CNN national security analyst, said that ISIS had called for attacks during Ramadan and "now we have them."
But while the attack on Medina undercuts the Saudi royal family's claim to be the "protectors of the two holy places," it was hard to imagine a target more counterproductive to any Islamist terror group's aims of winning sympathy from Muslims.


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Maybe they'll kill each other off and we won't have to worry about them coming after us then.

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Once again, I am touched by the compassion of my fellow human beings.

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Well "touched" is one way to put it. It's about time they either take their religion back or let the terrorist kill them too.

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Maybe they'll kill each other off and we won't have to worry about them coming after us then.


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Is ANYONE still wondering is ISIS represents all of Islam?
If you are. . . No. They do not. I am horrified by this, for all of my Muslim friends.

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

Is ANYONE still wondering is ISIS represents all of Islam?
If you are. . . No. They do not. I am horrified by this, for all of my Muslim friends.


 Dona:

Certain posters here are not "wondering."

They know for sure that ISIS = ALL Muslims. no

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Not all Muslims are ISIS but all terrorist are Muslim. As I said. If they don't take back their religion then they are part of the problem. Hide your head in the sand until one of them shows up with a gun to kill one of your loved ones. Then come back and tell us how peaceful Muslims are.

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All ISIS CALL themselves Muslim.
We have had more than one discussion about how the Muslim community as a whole (and even entire Muslim countries ) have denied ISIS the right to be called Muslims because they do not follow the Koran.

By DESTROYING the most holy city during the most sacred time of the year, no, they are not Muslim. They have lost the right to be called Muslim, to have any association with the religion at all.
Imagine if Christians had the actual Cross Jesus was crusified on carefully preserved and displayed in Jerusalem, and it was bombed and destroyed by the WBC on Christmas .
Would you still call them Christian?



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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

All ISIS CALL themselves Muslim.
We have had more than one discussion about how the Muslim community as a whole (and even entire Muslim countries ) have denied ISIS the right to be called Muslims because they do not follow the Koran.

By DESTROYING the most holy city during the most sacred time of the year, no, they are not Muslim. They have lost the right to be called Muslim, to have any association with the religion at all.
Imagine if Christians had the actual Cross Jesus was crusified on carefully preserved and displayed in Jerusalem, and it was bombed and destroyed by the WBC on Christmas .
Would you still call them Christian?


The entirely of Christendom renounces WBC.  I've NEVER heard a Christian support them.  In fact, I have participated in more than one protest against them.

Not true with Muslims.  They sit quietly back and smirk, not saying a word.

So I call BS...  



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Ohfour wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

All ISIS CALL themselves Muslim.
We have had more than one discussion about how the Muslim community as a whole (and even entire Muslim countries ) have denied ISIS the right to be called Muslims because they do not follow the Koran.

By DESTROYING the most holy city during the most sacred time of the year, no, they are not Muslim. They have lost the right to be called Muslim, to have any association with the religion at all.
Imagine if Christians had the actual Cross Jesus was crusified on carefully preserved and displayed in Jerusalem, and it was bombed and destroyed by the WBC on Christmas .
Would you still call them Christian?


The entirely of Christendom renounces WBC.  I've NEVER heard a Christian support them.  In fact, I have participated in more than one protest against them.

Not true with Muslims.  They sit quietly back and smirk, not saying a word.

So I call BS...  


 Right. 

So, the THOUSANDS of Muslims that took to the streets after the Pulse shooting in support of LGBT friends and family and strangers don't exist. 

So the hash tag #notinmyname that surfaces after every attack doesn't exist.

So the governments of multiple Muslim countries that coordinated and released an advertisement on all the major TV networks that showed, with quotes from the Koran and prominent religious leaders, that ISIS does not follow the word of God or the Prophet don't exist. 

You are willfully choosing to ignore reality. And the reality is that ISIS does not represent the religion of Islam, no matter how much they pretend to. 



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They are not vocal enough. They don't denounce them publicly with fervor. You believe whatever you want but I believe the good Muslims are not doing enough.

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Where my dd lived they had denounced isis. I wouldn't mind isis and other terrorist groups fighting each other though.

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hmmm...Can't find a thing about THOUSANDS of Muslims taking to the streets. Can you provide a link to that?

Never seen that hashtag.

Never seen a commercial condemning ISIS.



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Tinydancer wrote:

Maybe they'll kill each other off and we won't have to worry about them coming after us then.


 nice.



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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.



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apple wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:

Maybe they'll kill each other off and we won't have to worry about them coming after us then.


 nice.


So you just want terrorists to keep on keeping on?  You think they are just gonna stop one day?  LOL! 



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apple wrote:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


Yeah, and none of them were boiling little girls alive... 



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apple wrote:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


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flan327 wrote:
apple wrote:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


 Exactly.

flan


And who the fvck is not speaking out?  We are ALL calling out the Muslim Extremists.  WTF else do you want us to do? 

We want them dead.  How is that not standing up for someone?

 



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Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


Yeah, and none of them were boiling little girls alive... 


 So gassing them doesn't count?

What about the using them as human guinea pigs?

Gotcha.

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Ohfour wrote:
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apple wrote:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


 Exactly.

flan


And who the fvck is not speaking out?  We are ALL calling out the Muslim Extremists.  WTF else do you want us to do? 

We want them dead.  How is that not standing up for someone?

 


 Talk to your friend TD:

"They are not vocal enough. They don't denounce them publicly with fervor. You believe whatever you want but I believe the good Muslims are not doing enough."

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Yup that's what I said and I stand by it. THEY ARE NOT VOCAL ENOUGH!

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flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
apple wrote:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


 Exactly.

flan


And who the fvck is not speaking out?  We are ALL calling out the Muslim Extremists.  WTF else do you want us to do? 

We want them dead.  How is that not standing up for someone?

 


 Talk to your friend TD:

"They are not vocal enough. They don't denounce them publicly with fervor. You believe whatever you want but I believe the good Muslims are not doing enough."

flan

 


 Ohfour is not a Muslim and neither am I but we are both more vocal about it than any Muslim I've heard from.You deniers are so freaking funny...



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hmmm...Can't find a thing about THOUSANDS of Muslims taking to the streets. Can you provide a link to that?

Never seen that hashtag.

Never seen a commercial condemning ISIS.


  The country  where my dd lived denounced  isis  and arrested  some at the airport  who were suspected  of going to train for idis.  They  had billboards  denouncing  isis.  



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Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
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flan327 wrote:
apple wrote:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


 Exactly.

flan


And who the fvck is not speaking out?  We are ALL calling out the Muslim Extremists.  WTF else do you want us to do? 

We want them dead.  How is that not standing up for someone?

 


 Talk to your friend TD:

"They are not vocal enough. They don't denounce them publicly with fervor. You believe whatever you want but I believe the good Muslims are not doing enough."

flan

 


 Ohfour is not a Muslim and neither am I but we are both more vocal about it than any Muslim I've heard from.You deniers are so freaking funny...


Right?  Funny how they use the "then the came for me" and yet the VAST MAJORITY of Muslims won't speak out.  Seems like that should be addressed to the ones that are not speaking out (the peaceful Muslims).



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Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
apple wrote:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


 Exactly.

flan


And who the fvck is not speaking out?  We are ALL calling out the Muslim Extremists.  WTF else do you want us to do? 

We want them dead.  How is that not standing up for someone?

 


 Talk to your friend TD:

"They are not vocal enough. They don't denounce them publicly with fervor. You believe whatever you want but I believe the good Muslims are not doing enough."

flan

 


 Ohfour is not a Muslim and neither am I but we are both more vocal about it than any Muslim I've heard from.You deniers are so freaking funny...


 What EXACTLY am I supposedly "denying?"

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You're denying that good Muslims are not doing enough. You keep saying they're speaking out but funny how we never SEE them doing this.

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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


 The socialist? Those socialists are the ones who went after democracy. And now we have known liars, murderers, and traitors running the country, the world. Bankrupting both small and big business. They didn't "come for" anyone. They were elected and handed over free reign. We are living in the result of those who have CHOSEN this. So no, no one came for anyone.

Trade Unionists helped advance the socialist agenda. By striking, they caused increased demand for products. By forcing raises, they raised overhead. Then along came the Socialist ideas, those made it even harder for a company to stay in business here and they began to leave. It happens every where. So no, no one came for the Unionists, they bargained themselves away.

Who came for the Jews? And who came to aid and help free the Jews? And how did it get the point of needing a military force to free them? It started when the people elected liars, murderers and traitors into their government. By turning over more and more power to a regime born in socialism, nursed in unionism and raised to communism. And yes, someone came for the Jews. And then someone else came to get them. 

In your instances, two were walked into willingly. 

One was forced.

IF the Muslim community doesn't want to be lumped in with ISIS, they need to DO MORE than tweet and deny.

 



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I know that here there are many groups of peaceful Muslims who condemn ISIS very actively and vocally. Perhaps that is not newsworthy or perhaps it is not a good tool for those who wish to promote hate using the media.

The fact that someone would be okay with innocent people being murdered "because they are not perceived to be VOCAL enough", is distressing to say the least.


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If they're killing their own then that's on THEM. Keep blaming hate for this because ISIS hates us all. If a Christian group was beheading Muslims you can bet you'd hear from me and many others. Luckily Christianity believes killing is a sin. The good Muslims are NOT condemning them with a united front because most Muslims don't disagree with all they do even if you think so...

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Tinydancer wrote:

You're denying that good Muslims are not doing enough. You keep saying they're speaking out but funny how we never SEE them doing this.


 1. Quote me.

2. I have no clue what you "see" or don't see...

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apple wrote:

I know that here there are many groups of peaceful Muslims who condemn ISIS very actively and vocally. Perhaps that is not newsworthy or perhaps it is not a good tool for those who wish to promote hate using the media.

The fact that someone would be okay with innocent people being murdered "because they are not perceived to be VOCAL enough", is distressing to say the least.


 And that "someone" is a self-professed Christian.

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If they're killing their own then that's on THEM. Keep blaming hate for this because ISIS hates us all. If a Christian group was beheading Muslims you can bet you'd hear from me and many others. Luckily Christianity believes killing is a sin. The good Muslims are NOT condemning them with a united front because most Muslims don't disagree with all they do even if you think so...


 "by killing their own", Seriously are you that daft?

If you think that Muslims have not condemned ISIS you are being spoon fed the wrong media hype.

The Islamic Cooperation, which represents 1.4 BILLION Muslims in 57 countries very much so condemn ISIS.

If you care to do a bit of research and not rely so heavily on your corrupted news sources...you may find the truth.

 



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Damn, apple...

Truth? We don't need no stinkin' truth.

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flan327 wrote:

Damn, apple...

Truth? We don't need no stinkin' truth.

flan


Like you would know the truth if it hit you in the face.  You are going to vote for a proven liar.  That speaks volumes... 



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Damn, apple...

Truth? We don't need no stinkin' truth.

flan


Like you would know the truth if it hit you in the face.  You are going to vote for a proven liar.  That speaks volumes... 


 You don't like it when I refer to certain truths about you, Dearie.

I am voting AGAINST a misogynist and xenophobe.

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flan327 wrote:
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flan327 wrote:

Damn, apple...

Truth? We don't need no stinkin' truth.

flan


Like you would know the truth if it hit you in the face.  You are going to vote for a proven liar.  That speaks volumes... 


 You don't like it when I refer to certain truths about you, Dearie.

I am voting AGAINST a misogynist and xenophobe.

flan

 


Oh, so you are voting for someone that threatened women that accused her husband of rape. 

Nice... 



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And YOU have threatened HER...

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And YOU have threatened HER...

flan


Oh good grief...Saying I'd like to slap someone is not a threat.  You sound like a 6 year old... 



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Too many babies on this thread...lol

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If they're killing their own then that's on THEM. Keep blaming hate for this because ISIS hates us all. If a Christian group was beheading Muslims you can bet you'd hear from me and many others. Luckily Christianity believes killing is a sin. The good Muslims are NOT condemning them with a united front because most Muslims don't disagree with all they do even if you think so...


 "by killing their own", Seriously are you that daft?

If you think that Muslims have not condemned ISIS you are being spoon fed the wrong media hype.

The Islamic Cooperation, which represents 1.4 BILLION Muslims in 57 countries very much so condemn ISIS.

If you care to do a bit of research and not rely so heavily on your corrupted news sources...you may find the truth.

 


 I DON"T CARE. If they were as prolific and vocal as you say even the nightly news would have to cover it and I've seen not a single Muslim denounce them publicly.



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And YOU have threatened HER...

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Oh good grief...Saying I'd like to slap someone is not a threat.  You sound like a 6 year old... 


 I considered the source...and I believe it was "kick her azz."

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Just like you're moving to Canada...lol

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Just like you're moving to Canada...lol


Right??????  LOL!!!! 



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I think this is really sad. But I also think it is the wake up call the silent majority of Muslims need to understand that radical Muslims are their problem, too.

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I think this is really sad. But I also think it is the wake up call the silent majority of Muslims need to understand that radical Muslims are their problem, too.


Hopefully it will open their eyes.  But I just read an MSN article that some Muslims feel that the rest of the world feels indifference for their losses.  Unlike the attention that Brussels & Paris got.  So there is the nasty spin on it already.  I'm sure some media outlet or Muslim group will run with that ball.



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If they're killing their own then that's on THEM. Keep blaming hate for this because ISIS hates us all. If a Christian group was beheading Muslims you can bet you'd hear from me and many others. Luckily Christianity believes killing is a sin. The good Muslims are NOT condemning them with a united front because most Muslims don't disagree with all they do even if you think so...


 "by killing their own", Seriously are you that daft?

If you think that Muslims have not condemned ISIS you are being spoon fed the wrong media hype.

The Islamic Cooperation, which represents 1.4 BILLION Muslims in 57 countries very much so condemn ISIS.

If you care to do a bit of research and not rely so heavily on your corrupted news sources...you may find the truth.

 


 I DON"T CARE. If they were as prolific and vocal as you say even the nightly news would have to cover it and I've seen not a single Muslim denounce them publicly.


 The fact that you don't care is pretty obvious. I'm sure Fox news has reasons for wanting to keep you ignorant.



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Lawyerlady wrote:

I think this is really sad. But I also think it is the wake up call the silent majority of Muslims need to understand that radical Muslims are their problem, too.


Hopefully it will open their eyes.  But I just read an MSN article that some Muslims feel that the rest of the world feels indifference for their losses.  Unlike the attention that Brussels & Paris got.  So there is the nasty spin on it already.  I'm sure some media outlet or Muslim group will run with that ball.


That's probably true to some extent, b/c the rest of the world has felt that most Muslims were indifferent to those and other terrorist attacks by radical Muslims.  



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apple wrote:
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If they're killing their own then that's on THEM. Keep blaming hate for this because ISIS hates us all. If a Christian group was beheading Muslims you can bet you'd hear from me and many others. Luckily Christianity believes killing is a sin. The good Muslims are NOT condemning them with a united front because most Muslims don't disagree with all they do even if you think so...


 "by killing their own", Seriously are you that daft?

If you think that Muslims have not condemned ISIS you are being spoon fed the wrong media hype.

The Islamic Cooperation, which represents 1.4 BILLION Muslims in 57 countries very much so condemn ISIS.

If you care to do a bit of research and not rely so heavily on your corrupted news sources...you may find the truth.

 


 I DON"T CARE. If they were as prolific and vocal as you say even the nightly news would have to cover it and I've seen not a single Muslim denounce them publicly.


 The fact that you don't care is pretty obvious. I'm sure Fox news has reasons for wanting to keep you ignorant.


Except when it comes to gays:

 

In May 2016, 57 countries including Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates from the Organization of Islamic Cooperation requested the removal of LGBT associations from 2016 High Level Meeting on Ending AIDS sparked protests by the United States, Canada, the European Union and LGBT communities.[30][31]LGBT organizations by 51 Muslim states caused protests by the United States, Canada, the European Union and LGBT communities



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