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FALCON HEIGHTS, Minn. (AP) — A Minnesota officer fatally shot a man in a car with a woman and a child, an official said, and authorities are looking into whether the aftermath was livestreamed in a widely shared Facebook video, which shows a woman in a vehicle with a man whose shirt appears to be soaked in blood telling the camera “police just shot my boyfriend for no apparent reason.”

 

 

St. Anthony Police interim police chief Jon Mangseth said the incident began when an officer pulled over a vehicle around 9 p.m. Wednesday in Falcon Heights, a St. Paul suburb that Mangseth’s department serves. Mangseth said he did not have details about the reason for the traffic stop, but that at some point shots were fired. The man was struck but no one else was injured, he said.

As word of the shooting and video spread, relatives of the man joined scores of people who gathered at the scene of the shooting and outside the hospital where the man died and identified him as Philando Castile of St. Paul, a 32-year-old cafeteria supervisor at a Montessori school.

Speaking to CNN early Thursday, Castile’s mother said she suspected she would never learn the whole truth about her son’s death.

“I think he was just black in the wrong place,” Valerie Castile said, adding that she had underlined to her children to that they must do what authorities tell them to do to survive. Police have not released details on the ethnicity or service record of the police officer involved but to say he has been placed on paid administrative leave.

“I know my son … we know black people have been killed … I always told them, whatever you do when you get stopped by police, comply, comply, comply.”

Police use of force, particularly against minorities, has returned to the national spotlight since the video-recorded fatal shooting earlier this week of 37-year-old Alton Sterling by police in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. The U.S. Justice Department on Wednesday launched a civil rights investigation into the shooting, which took place after Sterling, who was black, scuffled with two white police officers outside a convenience store.

Castile’s cousin, Antonio Johnson, told the Star Tribune that he believed that because Philando Castile was a black man driving in Falcon Heights, a largely middle-class suburb, he “was immediately criminally profiled and he lost his life over it tonight.”

The site of the shooting in Falcon Heights is close to the Minnesota State Fairgrounds and not far from a clutch of fields associated with the University of Minnesota’s agricultural campus.

Late Wednesday, protesters moved to the governor’s mansion in nearby St. Paul, where around 200 people chanted and demanded action from Democratic Gov. Mark Dayton. By daybreak Thursday, around 50 protesters remained outside the mansion despite a light rain.

The video posted Wednesday night on Facebook Live appears to show the aftermath of a shooting like the one described by Mangseth. It shows the woman in a car next to a bloodied man quietly slumped in a seat. The woman describes being pulled over for a “busted tail light” and her boyfriend being shot as he told the officer that he was carrying a pistol and was licensed. A clearly distraught person who appears to be an armed police officer stands at the car’s window, telling the woman to keep her hands where they are and intermittently swearing.

The Associated Press couldn’t immediately verify the authenticity of the video. Mangseth said he was “made aware there was a livestream on Facebook” but that he had not yet seen the video and didn’t know anything about its contents.

The woman in the video says the man she identified as her boyfriend was reaching for his ID and wallet when the officer shot him. Police said in a statement that a handgun was recovered from the scene.

The officer tells her to keep her hands up and says: “I told him not to reach for it. I told him to get his hand out.”

“You shot four bullets into him, sir. He was just getting his license and registration, sir,” the woman responds.

The video goes on to show the woman exiting the car and being handcuffed. A young girl can be seen and is heard saying at one point, “I’m scared, Mommy.”

The woman describes being put in the back seat of the police car and says, “The police just shot my boyfriend for no apparent reason.”

Clarence Castile spoke to the Star Tribune from the Hennepin County Medical Center, where he said his nephew died minutes after arriving.

He said Philando Castile had worked in the J.J. Hill school cafeteria for 12 to 15 years, “cooking for the little kids.” He said his nephew was “a good kid” who grew up in St. Paul.

Minnesota court records online show Castile had some misdemeanor violations, mainly related to driving.

Mangseth said the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension has taken over the investigation. A spokesman for that agency couldn’t immediately be reached.

The president of the Minneapolis NAACP, Nekima Levy-Pounds, told the crowd she has no faith in the system in the wake of this and other police shootings of black men, including last year’s killing of Jamar Clark in Minneapolis. Levy-Pounds was a leading voice during the protests outside a police station that followed Clark’s death, as well as during a renewed wave of protests after prosecutors decided not to charge the officers involved.

“I’m tired of the laws and policies on the books being used to justify murder,” Levy-Pounds, a civil rights attorney, told the crowd as rain began to fall. “This is completely unacceptable. Somebody say, ‘Enough is Enough.'”

Associated Press writer Sarah Rankin in Chicago contributed to this report.

 

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/07/man-fatally-shot-police-minnesota-woman-livestreams-aftermath/



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This shooting was wrong on sooo many levels. This cop absolutely should be charged.

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What ever happened to police understand conflict resolution and de escalation of situations? Over and over we see Police SCREAMING at someone to show their registration or ID or whatever, and then that person tries to comply, then they shoot them for making a "threatening move"? What the heck? They were pulled over for a busted tail light. The man told the police he had a pistol and was licenced to carry and had his concealed carry permit with him. And, as for police literally SCREAMING all the time. I don't know about you, but if someone is screaming at me, it takes me a few seconds to really process what they are saying.
I will absolutely support the Police 100% when they are in the right. And, I will support the Police if the situation is grey and murky and it seemed to really reek of danger. However, if the current assumption is that everyone has a gun and is on the verge of shooting them, then everyone is justified to be shot for any movement or breath in their body at any time as that can be construed as threatening or resisting arrest.
There was a case where a man was pulled over, told to get out of his car which he did and was standing there with hands in the air. Then the cop started screaming at him to show his license and registration so the man turned toward his car to get it and the police SHOT him. WTF?

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I want the NRA to come out and support this victim. This is who they need to rally behind - a man who was carrying legally, who informed the police about his legal weapon, and who was shot for no reason. This is when we need them to speak out.

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Wait she put it on FB? So not too upset? I have read the news stories but still, her husband/father of her kid is killed and she takes the time to put it on FB? Isn't that just off?

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She does seem more concerned about filming than helping him.

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Wait she put it on FB? So not too upset? I have read the news stories but still, her husband/father of her kid is killed and she takes the time to put it on FB? Isn't that just off?


 He was her boyfriend and not her husband nor the father of her child. Just for clarification. 

She filmed it and put it on FB so there would be evidence of the crap that went down. The cops took her phone, went into her FB and erased the video from FB. 



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She does seem more concerned about filming than helping him.


 Yeah she should have called the police to help...oh wait...

I can't fault her for being in shock. When she realizes he is dead, she does get much more upset. I think she assumed he was going to be ok. 



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Well, and she was probably afraid to move or get shot too so she really couldn't help him.

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Exactly. I am really upset by this one. All the others upset me too but this one is different. Not only is it close to home, but this man did nothing wrong. He was not a criminal, he was a hardworking guy. He had a broken tail light and he got the death penalty for it. Insanity.

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I watched the video again. The officer yells at the woman to keep her hands on the dash. She couldn't help him or she would have been shot for sure.

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Wait she put it on FB? So not too upset? I have read the news stories but still, her husband/father of her kid is killed and she takes the time to put it on FB? Isn't that just off?


 He was her boyfriend and not her husband nor the father of her child. Just for clarification. 

She filmed it and put it on FB so there would be evidence of the crap that went down. The cops took her phone, went into her FB and erased the video from FB. 


 Ahh good clarification.  And yeah, the cop is guilty as hell.



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something's off with the video--for instance, it sure as hell is bright out for being after 9PM in MN--look around at the background, it looks like mid-afternoon--among other things that are evident




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something's off with the video--for instance, it sure as hell is bright out for being after 9PM in MN--look around at the background, it looks like mid-afternoon--among other things that are evident



 Daily Savings Time, anyone?

It is BRIGHT in the Midwest until nearly 10:00.

Try again.

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Mellow Momma wrote:

Exactly. I am really upset by this one. All the others upset me too but this one is different. Not only is it close to home, but this man did nothing wrong. He was not a criminal, he was a hardworking guy. He had a broken tail light and he got the death penalty for it. Insanity.


 Thank you, MM.

I simply cannot watch any of these videos any more. I am choosing to rely on descriptions of what happened.

Tell me again, please, that racism does not still exist in America in 2016?

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something's off with the video--for instance, it sure as hell is bright out for being after 9PM in MN--look around at the background, it looks like mid-afternoon--among other things that are evident



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And, on a sunny day, it is still bright after the "official" time designated as sunset. At least, it is here.

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I live about 40 minutes south of where the incident occurred. That's exactly what it looked like outside at that time of night. It is bright outside much longer here than it was when I lived further east. There are nights when it is not fully dark out until 10pm.

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Mellow Momma wrote:

I live about 40 minutes south of where the incident occurred. That's exactly what it looked like outside at that time of night. It is bright outside much longer here than it was when I lived further east. There are nights when it is not fully dark out until 10pm.


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I just checked a local weather forecast. Our official sunset time for today is 9:15.

When I work until 9 p.m., IF it's sunny, I do not need headlights to drive home. (It's a 30-minute drive.)

Sunset is not like flipping a switch and turning off a light.

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Mellow Momma wrote:

I live about 40 minutes south of where the incident occurred. That's exactly what it looked like outside at that time of night. It is bright outside much longer here than it was when I lived further east. There are nights when it is not fully dark out until 10pm.


 I was simply posting what I found.

I know it can take a good 30 to 45 minutes for the sun to dip below the horizon. 

 



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Right, so assume this video is fake? jeeeze....

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When faced in this kind of situation, who thinks about whipping out their phone and videotaping it?

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When faced in this kind of situation, who thinks about whipping out their phone and videotaping it?


 Its called social media and all the cool kids are doing it. Seriously its insane, they record and photograph EVERYTHING!

But ya, my first response would be to care for the wounded, not record it.



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Something we agree on, apple! People are more interested in "going viral" than their fellow man.

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She was probably in shock and wanted to have evidence. The cop was on the side where his hand was. His hand that was reaching for his ID so he should have been able to see there was no gun in his hand.
Normally I am on the police's side but this cop was completely in the wrong here. And he's freaking the hell out in the video. He should be. His career is over. And he may end up in prison.
I read that the cops took her phone and erased the video and took it off her FB. But obviously it was too late to cover it up.

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She was probably in shock and wanted to have evidence. The cop was on the side where his hand was. His hand that was reaching for his ID so he should have been able to see there was no gun in his hand.
Normally I am on the police's side but this cop was completely in the wrong here. And he's freaking the hell out in the video. He should be. His career is over. And he may end up in prison.
I read that the cops took her phone and erased the video and took it off her FB. But obviously it was too late to cover it up.


 I agree, people are using video to prove their side when they are being harassed or worse.



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Right, so assume this video is fake? jeeeze....


 I didn't say that.

But I do believe there is way more to this story.



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FNW wrote:

When faced in this kind of situation, who thinks about whipping out their phone and videotaping it?


 Anyone, especially considering the age demographic involved.

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Right, so assume this video is fake? jeeeze....


 I didn't say that.

But I do believe there is way more to this story.


 And IF there is, we may or may not find out.

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It being daylight on the video didn't set off any red flags for me. I was in Oklahoma in May and discovered that it was still broad daylight at 2000/2030. I'm still amazed at how light it was. Here in AZ, it's dark by 2000. Before that trip, I would've assumed the video was a fake or the time was reported wrong.

Re taking the video instead of helping her bf - That's strange to me. If DH got shot, my first thought would be to help him, not to whip out my phone and start videoing the situation.

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It being daylight on the video didn't set off any red flags for me. I was in Oklahoma in May and discovered that it was still broad daylight at 2000/2030. I'm still amazed at how light it was. Here in AZ, it's dark by 2000. Before that trip, I would've assumed the video was a fake or the time was reported wrong.

Re taking the video instead of helping her bf - That's strange to me. If DH got shot, my first thought would be to help him, not to whip out my phone and start videoing the situation.


 That would be my first thought too, but...there are days when I run errands and CHOOSE to leave my phone at home. I'm not even sure if I know HOW to use the video feature!

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It being daylight on the video didn't set off any red flags for me. I was in Oklahoma in May and discovered that it was still broad daylight at 2000/2030. I'm still amazed at how light it was. Here in AZ, it's dark by 2000. Before that trip, I would've assumed the video was a fake or the time was reported wrong.

Re taking the video instead of helping her bf - That's strange to me. If DH got shot, my first thought would be to help him, not to whip out my phone and start videoing the situation.


 That would be my first thought too, but...there are days when I run errands and CHOOSE to leave my phone at home. I'm not even sure if I know HOW to use the video feature!

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 DH's phone is all but glued to his hand and even he wouldn't think to video the situation. If anything, he'd be on the phone to 911 telling them that a bomb dropped on me and I'm in pieces. He's an exaggerator.



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If you watch the video...the police will not allow her to help him! They tell her to put her hands on the dash and don't move. She was not allowed to help him. So move past that issue please and put the blame on the folks who WERE in a position to render first aid and chose not to...the police. They held the gun on a man who was bleeding out in front of them. Idiotic.

Also, in her interviews it is clear that she thought he was not injured that badly. She thought he would survive the incident. When she realized he was bleeding out she got very very upset.

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It being daylight on the video didn't set off any red flags for me. I was in Oklahoma in May and discovered that it was still broad daylight at 2000/2030. I'm still amazed at how light it was. Here in AZ, it's dark by 2000. Before that trip, I would've assumed the video was a fake or the time was reported wrong.

Re taking the video instead of helping her bf - That's strange to me. If DH got shot, my first thought would be to help him, not to whip out my phone and start videoing the situation.


 You make this statement from a position of privilege though. You don't have the same experiences as a marginalized population who is used to seeing their brothers and sisters shot by the police. If that was the case your first instinct might be to capture the incident on video in order to help prove your case. They made this woman spend the night in jail for no reason. They separated her from her daughter and kept her in jail overnight. They had nothing to charge her with. They just didn't want her out on the street telling the story of what happened so they held onto her. Damn good thing she videoed it or we may not have believed it. The cops erased it from FB as soon as they took her into custody - which is illegal.



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It being daylight on the video didn't set off any red flags for me. I was in Oklahoma in May and discovered that it was still broad daylight at 2000/2030. I'm still amazed at how light it was. Here in AZ, it's dark by 2000. Before that trip, I would've assumed the video was a fake or the time was reported wrong.

Re taking the video instead of helping her bf - That's strange to me. If DH got shot, my first thought would be to help him, not to whip out my phone and start videoing the situation.


 You make this statement from a position of privilege though. You don't have the same experiences as a marginalized population who is used to seeing their brothers and sisters shot by the police. If that was the case your first instinct might be to capture the incident on video in order to help prove your case. They made this woman spend the night in jail for no reason. They separated her from her daughter and kept her in jail overnight. They had nothing to charge her with. They just didn't want her out on the street telling the story of what happened so they held onto her. Damn good thing she videoed it or we may not have believed it. The cops erased it from FB as soon as they took her into custody - which is illegal.



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It being daylight on the video didn't set off any red flags for me. I was in Oklahoma in May and discovered that it was still broad daylight at 2000/2030. I'm still amazed at how light it was. Here in AZ, it's dark by 2000. Before that trip, I would've assumed the video was a fake or the time was reported wrong.

Re taking the video instead of helping her bf - That's strange to me. If DH got shot, my first thought would be to help him, not to whip out my phone and start videoing the situation.


 You make this statement from a position of privilege though. You don't have the same experiences as a marginalized population who is used to seeing their brothers and sisters shot by the police. If that was the case your first instinct might be to capture the incident on video in order to help prove your case. They made this woman spend the night in jail for no reason. They separated her from her daughter and kept her in jail overnight. They had nothing to charge her with. They just didn't want her out on the street telling the story of what happened so they held onto her. Damn good thing she videoed it or we may not have believed it. The cops erased it from FB as soon as they took her into custody - which is illegal.



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 Yes. This one case seems extremely questionable. 

I'm going to wait to see what else comes out before judging.

But I am sick and tired of the poor down trodden attitude.

They can't really claim being held down with a black man sitting as president of the flippin country.

Time to grow up, tighten that jock strap, and realize the ones who need to change is the very ones shouting the loudest.

 



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It being daylight on the video didn't set off any red flags for me. I was in Oklahoma in May and discovered that it was still broad daylight at 2000/2030. I'm still amazed at how light it was. Here in AZ, it's dark by 2000. Before that trip, I would've assumed the video was a fake or the time was reported wrong.

Re taking the video instead of helping her bf - That's strange to me. If DH got shot, my first thought would be to help him, not to whip out my phone and start videoing the situation.


 You make this statement from a position of privilege though. You don't have the same experiences as a marginalized population who is used to seeing their brothers and sisters shot by the police. If that was the case your first instinct might be to capture the incident on video in order to help prove your case. They made this woman spend the night in jail for no reason. They separated her from her daughter and kept her in jail overnight. They had nothing to charge her with. They just didn't want her out on the street telling the story of what happened so they held onto her. Damn good thing she videoed it or we may not have believed it. The cops erased it from FB as soon as they took her into custody - which is illegal.



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 Yes. This one case seems extremely questionable. 

I'm going to wait to see what else comes out before judging.

But I am sick and tired of the poor down trodden attitude.

They can't really claim being held down with a black man sitting as president of the flippin country.

Time to grow up, tighten that jock strap, and realize the ones who need to change is the very ones shouting the loudest.

 


 Get back to me when you've actually experienced life as anything other than a White person.

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Well, since you haven't actually either, not sure what your point is?

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Well, since you haven't actually either, not sure what your point is?


 I have more of an idea than many here, tyvm.

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Get back to me when you've actually experienced life as anything other than a White person.
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LOL--so you've been black, asian, american indian, hispanic ? what a load of crap


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flan327 wrote:
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Well, since you haven't actually either, not sure what your point is?


 I have more of an idea than many here, tyvm.

Walk a few feet in someone else's shoes.

flan


 OK?  Big hairy deal?  Everyone in life has their OWN set of challenges.  Sheesh.  Or is this some contest on who is the greater victim?  Wow.



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Get back to me when you've actually experienced life as anything other than a White person.
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LOL--so you've been black, asian, american indian, hispanic ? what a load of crap


 Didn't say that, burnsie.

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What's your point? Somehow YOU understand more than someone else? No, a white person hasn't experienced being black. Nor has a man experienced being a woman, except for for Bruce of course. Nor has a short person with a lisp experienced being a freakishly tall basketball center. Yeah, everyone has their own individual experiences in the world.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

What's your point? Somehow YOU understand more than someone else? No, a white person hasn't experienced being black. Nor has a man experienced being a woman, except for for Bruce of course. Nor has a short person with a lisp experienced being a freakishly tall basketball center. Yeah, everyone has their own individual experiences in the world.


 You almost prove the point - no matter how much I try, I cannot imagine what it would be like to be a super tall basketball center or a freakishly smart NASA scientist or a kid who grew up in the ghetto. But I can try and have some empathy. And I can acknowledge that I don't know and I can never know what it is like to be anyone but me and give others the benefit of the doubt and believe that they are doing the best job of being them that they possibly can. They have challenges that I can never understand - just as I have challenges that they could never understand. 



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I think some people have empathy and good imaginations,

and CAN imagine being on the bad side of violent prejudice.

I've know at least a dozen survivors of the Nazi Death Camps,

most of them with their ID numbers tattooed on their arms.

I wasn't there, but I've read a lot, and spoken with some of them,

and I've imagined living in or through that Hell.

 

I wouldn't want to argue with someone who says they CAN imagine.

Now, go watch Schindler's List again.

 



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ed11563 wrote:

I think some people have empathy and good imaginations,

and CAN imagine being on the bad side of violent prejudice.

I've know at least a dozen survivors of the Nazi Death Camps,

most of them with their ID numbers tattooed on their arms.

I wasn't there, but I've read a lot, and spoken with some of them,

and I've imagined living in or through that Hell.

 

I wouldn't want to argue with someone who says they CAN imagine.

Now, go watch Schindler's List again.

 


 Exactly this.

SOME people are more sensitive than others.

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I am really not sure what your point is? I guess you point is that you are more black than the rest of us or something. Not sure what you are trying to say.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

I am really not sure what your point is? I guess you point is that you are more black than the rest of us or something. Not sure what you are trying to say.


 I've said it before here & I have gotten mocked.

I'll try again.

DH1 was Black. My sons are, therefore, biracial, so I do have second-hand knowledge of life as a NON-Caucasian.

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In this instance, the police officer is wrong and should be charged.

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