Good.

Those poor babies deserve a proper burial.

They ARE babies.

You can use those other terms to help ease your conscious but I refuse to sugar coat it.

I'm not easing my conscience, a fetus is not a baby. A fetus has the possibility of becoming a baby but is not yet viable. Anyways, we all know this is just another attempt by Texas to make it more difficult and more expensive and less convenient to have a legal procedure called abortion.

Its a pretty messed up world.

So does an eagle egg, yet its a felony to destroy one of those....

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I'm not easing my conscience, a fetus is not a baby. A fetus has the possibility of becoming a baby but is not yet viable. Anyways, we all know this is just another attempt by Texas to make it more difficult and more expensive and less convenient to have a legal procedure called abortion.

Its a pretty messed up world.

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 I hope it becomes illegal again.

Punishable by death.

And it never SHOULD happen...unless you want to move to a theocracy.

flan

And I know people who ARE Christians who are pro choice. Big whoop.

Divine Geek wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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And I know people who ARE Christians who are pro choice. Big whoop.

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 Yes. Because Pro Choice DOES NOT equal Pro Abortion. 

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 Around here it does.

And it's actually "PRO-DEATH."

flan

Mellow Momma wrote:

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Divine Geek wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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And I know people who ARE Christians who are pro choice. Big whoop.

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 Yes. Because Pro Choice DOES NOT equal Pro Abortion. 

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 ***cancels her appearance at all the abortion parties and slinks away***

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 Dead babies are good for you. ..don't pretend any other wise 

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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Divine Geek wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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And I know people who ARE Christians who are pro choice. Big whoop.

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 Yes. Because Pro Choice DOES NOT equal Pro Abortion. 

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 ***cancels her appearance at all the abortion parties and slinks away***

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 Dead babies are good for you. ..don't pretend any other wise 

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 Wut. 

Mellow Momma wrote:

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Divine Geek wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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And I know people who ARE Christians who are pro choice. Big whoop.

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 Yes. Because Pro Choice DOES NOT equal Pro Abortion. 

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 ***cancels her appearance at all the abortion parties and slinks away***

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 Now wait a gosh-durn minute...YOU finally agreed to bring the refreshments, so you WILL be there.

flan

Divine Geek wrote:

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And I know people who ARE Christians who are pro choice. Big whoop.

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 Yes. Because Pro Choice DOES NOT equal Pro Abortion. 

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 I agree, I suppose it is too difficult for some to understand the difference.

 

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Pro choice means what is says, literally. Pro Choice, a woman has the right to make the choice over her own body and that which is contained in it.
A fundamental misunderstanding of the abortion issue lies in the way people often refer to anti-choice and pro-choice as "two sides." In fact, the anti-choice are in favour of forced motherhood, and the opposite of that is forced abortion. We (Pro choice) oppose both of these extremist positions.

Pro-choice occupies the broad middle ground on the abortion issue. A large majority of North Americans believe abortion should be decided privately between a woman and her doctor. Pro-choice people include those who are personally against abortion or feel uncomfortable with it, but who would not impose their viewpoint by law onto all women. Pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion

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Look at those carefully chosen words.

Choice is not taking a life.

Choice is finding a way.

Abortion just kills.

It's the easy way out.

Abortion kills a baby.

Period.

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 It easy to say abortion kills babies, its easy to say save the babies. What is not easy nor taken lightly is that you simply cannot stop women from doing this. Women have been taking care of unwanted pregnancies in many ways since time began.

Stop taking the easy way out Lily. The fact of the matter is when it comes down to it you can't stop it. BUT... thankfully the abortion rate has been on the decline for the last 10 years. That is a good thing.

 

No. I cant.

But I don't have to throw my hands up and say "oh well".

It is a monstrous thing to do, to kill your unborn child.

And I would like to see it become illegal and punishable by death.

Yes. I will support ANY effort to make abortion harder and more expensive to obtain.

You want to shout "women's rights" then start by enforcing personal responsibility.

Billions of people manage to not get pregnant until they want to.

These women who just can't be bothered to exercise self control or personal responsibility and then want the easy way out are monsters.

And should be treated as such.

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Nobody said you should throw your hands up and say "oh well".

Just try having a logical approach to a complicated issue.

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 And realize that there are very likely women READING this who have had an abortion. You have NO right to judge them and call them names.

Do you think any god would sentence them to death?

flan

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Don't want to get pregnant? Don't have sex or get yourself sterilized. Double/triple up on birth control. Don't have one night stands. Rape/incest are, of course, exceptions.

Killing your child because you made a poor decision is heinous.

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 How is the air up there?

Yes, I realize YOUR back story. Good for you (and I mean that sincerely).

flan

chef wrote:

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Don't want to get pregnant? Don't have sex or get yourself sterilized. Double/triple up on birth control. Don't have one night stands. Rape/incest are, of course, exceptions.

Killing your child because you made a poor decision is heinous.

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 Exactly.

But I even have trouble with rape and incest.

Of course the situations are different. 

I have more sympathy for those very rare situations. 

But those who simple use abortion as a way to get out of the situation the helped to create, I have none.

Don't want to be a parent? Don't have sex. Properly use birth control. 

 

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Don't want to get pregnant? Don't have sex or get yourself sterilized. Double/triple up on birth control. Don't have one night stands. Rape/incest are, of course, exceptions.

Killing your child because you made a poor decision is heinous.

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 Exactly.

But I even have trouble with rape and incest.

Of course the situations are different. 

I have more sympathy for those very rare situations. 

But those who simple use abortion as a way to get out of the situation the helped to create, I have none.

Don't want to be a parent? Don't have sex. Properly use birth control. 

 

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 I have trouble with rape and incest too but I can't, in good conscience, force a woman to keep a baby that she did not have a say in creating. Never mind that a lot of states allow for the rapist to get visitation rights. Some states allow the rapist to sue for custody. I refuse to force a woman to have to allow her rapist in her life.

Birth control can fail, which is why I said double/triple up on it. I do have sympathy for those who used their BC correctly and it failed. My conscience won't allow me to say abortion is ok though since it's well-known that BC has a failure rate.

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Don't want to get pregnant? Don't have sex or get yourself sterilized. Double/triple up on birth control. Don't have one night stands. Rape/incest are, of course, exceptions.

Killing your child because you made a poor decision is heinous.

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 and yet it happens every day.

 

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chef wrote:

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Don't want to get pregnant? Don't have sex or get yourself sterilized. Double/triple up on birth control. Don't have one night stands. Rape/incest are, of course, exceptions.

Killing your child because you made a poor decision is heinous.

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 How is the air up there?

Yes, I realize YOUR back story. Good for you (and I mean that sincerely).

flan

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 My air is just fine. How's the air up where you are? Being against abortion as birth control is not a snooty position so I'm going to assume you weren't attempting a dig at me.

I know you're fine with abortion, Flan. I'm not except for extenuating circumstances. Lack of personal responsibility is not an extenuating circumstance.

My back story has nothing to do with my feelings on this subject. I thought I couldn't get pregnant due to certain life events and I was wrong. DH thought he was sterile and he was wrong. Aborting DS never came to mind. I don't care that you brought up my back story but considering you don't like it when someone brings up your IRL stuff, you should show others the same respect.

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I've been posting with you for years & never knew this.  What crazy odds that neither of you thought you could & then did!  Since you are obviously head over heels in love with DS I'd say it is wonderful that you beat the odds!!!

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 I do love that little bugger! I can do without the terrible twos though. He's really taken that phase to heart.

apple wrote:

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chef wrote:

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apple wrote:

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chef wrote:

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Don't want to get pregnant? Don't have sex or get yourself sterilized. Double/triple up on birth control. Don't have one night stands. Rape/incest are, of course, exceptions.

Killing your child because you made a poor decision is heinous.

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 and yet it happens every day.

 

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 So? Doesn't make it right.

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 Wishing it away doesn't make it go away either.

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 Exactly. Hence laws, etc.

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apple wrote:

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chef wrote:

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apple wrote:

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chef wrote:

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Don't want to get pregnant? Don't have sex or get yourself sterilized. Double/triple up on birth control. Don't have one night stands. Rape/incest are, of course, exceptions.

Killing your child because you made a poor decision is heinous.

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 and yet it happens every day.

 

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 So? Doesn't make it right.

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 Wishing it away doesn't make it go away either.

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 Exactly. Hence laws, etc.

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 The laws that make it legal?

flan