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Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Police shoot unarmed black therapist lying flat on his back with his arms in the air

FNW · Guru

Accidental firing? The cop said he didn't know why he shot. And he took it in the leg. Had it been intentional, wouldn't he be a dead man? And why were the police suspicious of him anyway? And who is videotaping this whole thing...from various angles?

I'm calling bull.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Are we going to keep pretending there isn't a problem with police training???

FNW · Guru

Of course there's a problem.

Personally, I always thought they needed more legal training. They go on gut feelings a lot and fail to follow procedures, permitting evidence to be thrown out of court, etc. A good defense attorney can poke holes too easily. On the flip side, those cops with more legal training/education, etc., rise up the ranks and don't stay on the streets long. And they aren't the ones making these rookie mistakes. Kind of a catch 22, if you will.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

One of the pictures looks like it may be from a home security camera.

The others may be from body cam's.

This article is frightening. Dealing with handicapped adult children is scary enough without having to be worried about being shot by a cop while trying to help your handicapped adult child.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Cops are paid a pittance. You are not going to get the brightest of the bunch for such a dangerous job that pays crap.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Wow, this is just crazy. The police just needed to stay calm & listen to what the man was saying. This could so easily have been avoided. I'm glad it just got his leg. He sounds like a very caring therapist.

Riding · Guru

the whole thing is just getting beyond out of control.

the poor man was doing his best to do the right thing and yet he was shot. the officer needs a consequence a big one

chef · Guru

Assuming this story is factual, I would call that cop a bad apple.

chef · Guru

I've also never seen a toy truck that even remotely resembles a gun.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I'm not going to say anything one way or another.

Just going to wait for more information to come out.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Don't be so quick to judge. There are a lot of holes in the article. I bet it will come out the cop was justified. And not enough training? I don't think that is the case here. The cop shot the guy in the leg. That is what is supposed to happen.

Tinydancer · Guru

From what I've seen on the video this is definitely bad for the cop. The guy was sitting on the ground with his hands in the air telling them what was happening and they still shot him. I am usually on the side of the law but in this case they were wronger than wrong.

Tangerine · Guru

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Don't be so quick to judge. There are a lot of holes in the article. I bet it will come out the cop was justified. And not enough training? I don't think that is the case here. The cop shot the guy in the leg. That is what is supposed to happen.

What? Cops are trained to shoot the center mass.

Besides being unable to stay calm or listen, the cop who shot this guy also has terrible aim.

ETA The bad aim part is fortunate for this gentleman. Although I am sure he would have preferred not to be shot at all.

-- Edited by Tangerine on Thursday 21st of July 2016 06:40:11 PM

apple · Guru

Lexxy wrote:
Wow, this is just crazy. The police just needed to stay calm & listen to what the man was saying. This could so easily have been avoided. I'm glad it just got his leg. He sounds like a very caring therapist.

I guess that many police are on high alert. I wish everyone would just calm down.

Mary Zombie · Guru

I'm watching the news and a supervisor is saying he thought Kinsey was in danger and meant to hit the patient. Regardless he had no reason to shoot anyone.
Retraining indeed!

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Tangerine wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Don't be so quick to judge. There are a lot of holes in the article. I bet it will come out the cop was justified. And not enough training? I don't think that is the case here. The cop shot the guy in the leg. That is what is supposed to happen.
What? Cops are trained to shoot the center mass.
Besides being unable to stay calm or listen, the cop who shot this guy also has terrible aim.

ETA The bad aim part is fortunate for this gentleman. Although I am sure he would have preferred not to be shot at all.

-- Edited by Tangerine on Thursday 21st of July 2016 06:40:11 PM

Actually, they are trained to shoot to down the suspect not kill him unless they are in immediate danger of being shot themselves.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Mary Zombie wrote:
I'm watching the news and a supervisor is saying he thought Kinsey was in danger and meant to hit the patient. Regardless he had no reason to shoot anyone.
Retraining indeed!

What I don't get about that is they cuffed the therapist afterwards.

FNW · Guru

They do that until they can sort things out.

Heck, years ago I was leaving a guy who had guns in the house and I called the police for protection because the guy suddenly came home (someone tipped him off I was moving out). Anyway, they put me in the back of the squad car, where I remained until they could make sure the situation was under control. I didn't mind, it was a hot day and the cop had his A/C running so I was quite comfortable.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I saw more of this on the news. The cop was yelling at him to turn onto his stomach? Why? If he would have done that, then the cop would have said he was 'reaching for a gun" if he attempted to turn over.

And, the whole 'oh they have adrenalin" baloney. Well, so do airline pilots and ER Nurses and fireman and a whole host of other people. We expect them to learn how to deal with situations. This is so clearly WRONG.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Saying you were attempting to shoot the autistic boy who was playing with a toy truck instead isn't much of a defense IMHO. Makes the cop look worse to me. Aside from shooting an autistic boy posing no threat, if the cop has aim that poor, he needs his gun taken away from him.

-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Friday 22nd of July 2016 12:51:05 PM

apple · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I saw more of this on the news. The cop was yelling at him to turn onto his stomach? Why? If he would have done that, then the cop would have said he was 'reaching for a gun" if he attempted to turn over.

And, the whole 'oh they have adrenalin" baloney. Well, so do airline pilots and ER Nurses and fireman and a whole host of other people. We expect them to learn how to deal with situations. This is so clearly WRONG.

I agree. It is horribly wrong, and so very sad.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Mellow Momma wrote:
Saying you were attempting to shoot the autistic boy who was playing with a toy truck instead isn't much of a defense IMHO. Makes the cop look worse to me. Aside from shooting an autistic boy posing no threat, if the cop has aim that poor, he needs his gun taken away from him.

-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Friday 22nd of July 2016 12:51:05 PM

I agree. That was a terrible defense. This cop should have his gun taken away for a few reasons.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

lilyofcourse wrote:
I'm not going to say anything one way or another.

Just going to wait for more information to come out.

I actually have to agree here. When I first read this story I said, "Nothing about this makes sense." More and more often we are getting quick one sided stories and then after the investigation is done there is a lot of information people don't know. I'm not on either side but I want to wait to find out all the details.

Tangerine · Guru

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Tangerine wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Don't be so quick to judge. There are a lot of holes in the article. I bet it will come out the cop was justified. And not enough training? I don't think that is the case here. The cop shot the guy in the leg. That is what is supposed to happen.
What? Cops are trained to shoot the center mass.
Besides being unable to stay calm or listen, the cop who shot this guy also has terrible aim.

ETA The bad aim part is fortunate for this gentleman. Although I am sure he would have preferred not to be shot at all.

-- Edited by Tangerine on Thursday 21st of July 2016 06:40:11 PM
Actually, they are trained to shoot to down the suspect not kill him unless they are in immediate danger of being shot themselves.

Name one police department in this country that trains their officers to "shoot the suspect down without killing them".

Thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Tangerine · Guru

Still waiting to hear which police departments train their officers to shoot suspects just a little bit.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

They shoot to kill. Center mass. If there is any dept that does not, i would like to see some information in that regard.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady. wrote:
Cops are paid a pittance. You are not going to get the brightest of the bunch for such a dangerous job that pays crap.

How is this an excuse? They accepted the job. I expect they are trained to do the job. That means learning how to be cool and rational in situations and not flipping out and gunning down the public.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady. wrote:
Cops are paid a pittance. You are not going to get the brightest of the bunch for such a dangerous job that pays crap.
How is this an excuse? They accepted the job. I expect they are trained to do the job. That means learning how to be cool and rational in situations and not flipping out and gunning down the public.

Doesnt mean they are going to be good at it. People accept jobs all the time they arent qualified for.

They are minimally trained. A couple of weeks and then put on overnight shift.

apple · Guru

Tangerine wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Tangerine wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Don't be so quick to judge. There are a lot of holes in the article. I bet it will come out the cop was justified. And not enough training? I don't think that is the case here. The cop shot the guy in the leg. That is what is supposed to happen.
What? Cops are trained to shoot the center mass.
Besides being unable to stay calm or listen, the cop who shot this guy also has terrible aim.

ETA The bad aim part is fortunate for this gentleman. Although I am sure he would have preferred not to be shot at all.

-- Edited by Tangerine on Thursday 21st of July 2016 06:40:11 PM
Actually, they are trained to shoot to down the suspect not kill him unless they are in immediate danger of being shot themselves.
Name one police department in this country that trains their officers to "shoot the suspect down without killing them".
Thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Agreed.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady. wrote:
Cops are paid a pittance. You are not going to get the brightest of the bunch for such a dangerous job that pays crap.
How is this an excuse? They accepted the job. I expect they are trained to do the job. That means learning how to be cool and rational in situations and not flipping out and gunning down the public.
Doesnt mean they are going to be good at it. People accept jobs all the time they arent qualified for.
They are minimally trained. A couple of weeks and then put on overnight shift.

OK? So what does that mean then? That we don't hold them accountable?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady. wrote:
Cops are paid a pittance. You are not going to get the brightest of the bunch for such a dangerous job that pays crap.
How is this an excuse? They accepted the job. I expect they are trained to do the job. That means learning how to be cool and rational in situations and not flipping out and gunning down the public.
Doesnt mean they are going to be good at it. People accept jobs all the time they arent qualified for.
They are minimally trained. A couple of weeks and then put on overnight shift.
OK? So what does that mean then? That we don't hold them accountable?

It mean this shouldn't be surprising.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

So, you expect professionalism and professional standards from other professionals, but the people who carry loaded guns, you don't?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
So, you expect professionalism and professional standards from other professionals, but the people who carry loaded guns, you don't?

Of course, I expect it.

But I also realize you are not always getting the best qualified people for a job that is thankless, dangerous and pays crap.

You can EXPECT all you want - doesn't mean you are going to get it.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I'm really tired of the police bashing.

Yes, there are officers who do bad things.

But the same day this happened, there were other officers, all across the country, saving lives, helping people, and making a positive difference in their communities.

Putting their lives on the line with each and every call the answered.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Sorry you are tired of it, but the public needs to be able to trust the Police. Bad Policeman erode the public trust.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I trust the police.

I'm still not commenting on this one, I'm waiting for more information.

There is ALWAYS more information.

I'm saying articles bashing the police for doing their job makes it harder and more dangerous for them and citizens.

Of course I'm in the camp of don't do anything that will cause a need for police to become involved.

ed11563 · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
I trust the police.

I'm still not commenting on this one, I'm waiting for more information.

There is ALWAYS more information.

I'm saying articles bashing the police for doing their job makes it harder and more dangerous for them and citizens.

Of course I'm in the camp of don't do anything that will cause a need for police to become involved.

He was in the process of calming his patient.

The Mom called the police. cry

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
I trust the police.

I'm still not commenting on this one, I'm waiting for more information.

There is ALWAYS more information.

I'm saying articles bashing the police for doing their job makes it harder and more dangerous for them and citizens.

Of course I'm in the camp of don't do anything that will cause a need for police to become involved.

I trust the Police as well. But, there have been egregious cases. I think Eric Garner was way over the top. That's my opinion. There have been citizens shot whom the cops screamed at to show their registration, then when they turned to get it, they shot them. There have been egregious cases where they tased a Naked Mentally ill woman over and over until the point of death. Do you think that if i tased you, that you would instantly be able to comply with a police command? If i was suffocating you, would you struggle to breathe and therefore 'resist arrest". It is out of control.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I guess I should have caused a fuss when I got bruised and bloody while on the ground, cop on my back.

But I didnt.

Why?

Because I set those events in motion.

Sorry, it's very, very rare an innocent person is hurt by the police.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

OK? I support the police. If i ever get pulled over, i would do exactly as they say in a respectful way. However, just because i don't pretend there are no bad apples doesn't mean i don't stand in support of them. They were absolutely right in the case of Michael Brown and many others. However, there are some cases they have been absolutely wrong on as well. I won't support that.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

And I'm not saying you should.

I'm just not going to bash the police.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

It's not either/or Lilly. I am in no way and have never "bashed " Police.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Of course some of you want to talk about how poorly Police are paid. Well, how about therapists? How much are group home therapists paid? He didn't deserve this. Geez.

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Police shoot unarmed black therapist lying flat on his back with his arms in the air while he tried to calm his autistic patient and BEGGED cops not to open fire

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