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What Happened After I Watched A Young Woman Get ‘Etiquette Shamed’ At The Grocery Store

If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything.

 07/19/2016 11:31 pm 23:31:55 | Updated 3 days ago
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Last week, I witnessed a young woman get “etiquette shamed” as she was leaving the local grocery store. She was heading out the front door on a bright Thursday morning, and I was right behind her. A tall, well-dressed young man was coming into the store and stopped to hold the door for her. Then, he snapped at her, “When someone holds a door for me, I thank them.”

The young woman replied, “I didn’t even have a chance to thank you yet” as the man made his way inside, and I cringed.

I cringed because the same thing has happened to me so many times. People have sarcastically snapped “you’re welcome” or “thank you” after holding a door for me before I could even open my mouth, or when I had already thanked them, albeit apparently too softly for them to hear. I’ve dubbed them the “etiquette shamers” and am surprised they don’t realize that their rebuke is far ruder than any etiquette breach they are trying to point out. The woman being shamed in this case looked so small and sounded so polite that the exchange left me furious on her behalf – but it also left me curious.

Why do people feel such a compulsion to scold or shame a stranger for a supposed infraction that’s minor or none of their business?

The trend of people “shaming” or scolding each other over a minor oversight or characteristic seems to have exploded, even if one assumes that social media only highlights what has been going on anyway. In the last 12 months, I have read a viral news story about a disabled combat veteran in Texas who got a nasty letter on his car for parking in a handicapped spot when he didn’t “look” handicapped (the vet responded with a letter on his windshield saying, “Although I may not ‘look’ handicapped to you, I can assure you that the amount of pain I feel in my lower body due to combat-sustained injuries far supersedes any level of pain you have ever felt in your life”).

Recent viral stories on the web have told of a woman who was “sweat shamed” by a stranger simply because she waited in line for coffee after a workout, and a woman who was shamed for wearing a tight dress to a wedding. Predictably, the “shaming” stories have birthed a slew of delicious response-to-shaming stories, often bearing headlines with the words “had the perfect response,” as in these from the last two months: “This agoraphobic woman had the perfect response to street harassment” and “Mom’s perfect response after a stranger ridicules her son’s Elsa dress.” In fact, if you search the phrase “had the perfect response” you’ll get over 196,000 results.

Why do people feel such a compulsion to scold or shame a stranger for a supposed infraction that’s minor or none of their business? When we scold or shame, we make two assumptions:

a) The person we’re scolding is someone who routinely (rather than rarely) acts without regard for society, and

b) it’s our job to teach them how to behave so they won’t do it again. In doing this, we miss a grand opportunity to give another human being the benefit of the doubt.

The young woman who was leaving the store may have had a lot on her mind, or she might have had a disability, or, as she said, she didn’t even have a chance to say “thank you.” In addition, I hold doors for people several times a day and never wait for an acknowledgement of my largesse; I feel lucky to be able-bodied enough to do it. It’s too bad the young man turned a potentially kind moment into a situation that left three people defensive on a sunny morning.

It’s too bad the young man turned a potentially kind moment into a situation that left three people defensive on a sunny morning.

It seems that parents of small children are the biggest targets for shaming, especially if their children misbehave orseem coddled. There was even a website a few years back called “Too Big for Stroller” featuring photos of kids who appeared too big to still be in a stroller, with the word “walk” Photoshopped across their heads (the site’s author said it was supposed to be funny but admitted being bothered by such a sight).

All of these instances of shaming reveal a skewed sense of priorities. It is our duty to report any suspected abuse or danger to a child. Passing judgment on a minor parenting difference distracts from this greater responsibility.

Last year, around September 11, I came upon an old essay on the internet by a woman who had moved to my New Jersey town from New York City soon after losing her husband in the 2001 terrorist attacks. Her upstairs neighbors (according to her essay) began pounding on her ceiling every time her new baby boy cried from teething. Finally, she sent them and the landlord letters telling them that she was both a lawyer and a 9/11 widow, and she would call the police if they harassed her again. In the conclusion of her essay, she wrote, “I only wish other women struggling to raise a child alone had such a trump card.” Have we really become so judgmental as a society that each of us needs a tragic tale in our arsenal to get strangers to halt their assumptions. 

We would do well to remember that there are people all around us shouldering burdens more heavy than we can imagine.

There may be a good reason these “shaming” and “reverse-shaming” stories are so common now. In tough economic times, people are on edge and perhaps ready to let off steam. Even if the economy is supposedly improving, I know many who are struggling. Perhaps the young man who scolded the woman last week was worried he might be late to work, or maybe he had a lot on his mind too. We would do well to remember that there are people all around us shouldering burdens more heavy than we can imagine.

Unfortunately, when I witnessed the “etiquette shaming” incident last week, I didn’t let it go. I shouted back at the man, “We’ll all try to be perfect, like you.” Did I think that he needed a life lesson, too?

A generation ago, our parents used to preach a different sort of etiquette rule: If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything. It might be time to bring that particular point of politeness back. So the next time you have the urge to upbraid a stranger, instead try to smile or even look for a way to help. It might make someone’s day a whole lot brighter, you know?

 

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I got thank you shamed at the grocery store the other day. Some woman was blocking the entire aisle with her cart (literally - it was sideways), saw me coming and straightened it out and I continued looking for what I was looking for. Suddenly I hear this 'you're WELCOME!' and I turned around and said 'I'm sorry - did you need a thank you for following basic etiquette?'. She gave me a dirty look and went on her way. Then passed me a bunch more times in the store and gave me dirty looks.

I was just proud of myself for having 'the perfect response' on the spot!

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I have also been shamed BY a grocery store. I went to get eggs, and there was a sign on one side for CAGE FREE eggs ($6/doz) and a sign on the other side - where I was - that said CAGED EGGS ($3/doz). Boo. I'm a terrible egg person. I buy caged because it's all I can afford.

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You should never give with the expectation of getting something back or you're not really giving. If it bothers you to the point of verbal explosion to not get a thank you from doing something kind like holding a door for someone, then don't bother doing it in the first place.

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Tig! What did I do? lol

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All our grocery stores have automatic doors.

I usually just smart off right at them.

You know.

Cause I'm mean like that.

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Tig! What did I do? lol


 Apparently I get excited when you show up.  Haven't see you around!!



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I got thank you shamed at the grocery store the other day. Some woman was blocking the entire aisle with her cart (literally - it was sideways), saw me coming and straightened it out and I continued looking for what I was looking for. Suddenly I hear this 'you're WELCOME!' and I turned around and said 'I'm sorry - did you need a thank you for following basic etiquette?'. She gave me a dirty look and went on her way. Then passed me a bunch more times in the store and gave me dirty looks.

I was just proud of myself for having 'the perfect response' on the spot!


 Oh that is perfect!



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All our grocery stores have automatic doors.

I usually just smart off right at them.

You know.

Cause I'm mean like that.


 You mean you don't thank the door?



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" Why do people feel such a compulsion to scold or shame a stranger for a supposed infraction that’s minor or none of their business?"

 

I would assume that these nasty individuals are drunk.

A highway patrolman in Wisconsin told me once that

on any given weekday, at 10:00 a.m.,

14% of the drivers are legally drunk.

That probably applies to grocery shoppers too.

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I have also been shamed BY a grocery store. I went to get eggs, and there was a sign on one side for CAGE FREE eggs ($6/doz) and a sign on the other side - where I was - that said CAGED EGGS ($3/doz). Boo. I'm a terrible egg person. I buy caged because it's all I can afford.


 Just because they're LABELED"cage free"  doesn't mean they ARE cage free.



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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

All our grocery stores have automatic doors.

I usually just smart off right at them.

You know.

Cause I'm mean like that.


 You mean you don't thank the door?


 Yup!

Told ya I was mean!



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You don't thank the automatic doors for opening? Shame on you!

Seriously, I think it's rude not to thank someone for holding a door open, or scooting their cart over to make room for you. It is rude, very rude, and a sign of self-entitlement. But I would never shame them. But I would not do them any favors in the future.

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You don't thank the automatic doors for opening? Shame on you!

Seriously, I think it's rude not to thank someone for holding a door open, or scooting their cart over to make room for you. It is rude, very rude, and a sign of self-entitlement. But I would never shame them. But I would not do them any favors in the future.


 Of course you should say Thank You.  But, I think the point is that there are times when people are shamed who haven't even had a chance to even yet respond.  Or, that maybe someone is just not thinking and misses saying it or whatever.  I think that is true and that does happen.   And, yes someone should say Thank You.  ON the the other hand, rudeness begets rudeness, so snapping back with some comment at someone who perhaps was not intentionally trying to be rude doesn't help society either.  And, your mother said "if you don't have anything nice to say, then dont' say anything at all".



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I agree, LGS. And like I said, I wouldn't shame them, but I would not be so accommodating next time with them, either.

I am, however, more likely to let out a little yelp sound when someone lets the door slam on me.

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Tignanello wrote:
VetteGirl wrote:

Tig! What did I do? lol


 Apparently I get excited when you show up.  Haven't see you around!!


 I read this as "I get excited when you THROW up."

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Both SO and his son do this to me, for example I'll drop something and they'll pick it up and hand it to me and immediately say "YOU'RE WELCOME" in an accusing tone.

It pisses me off to no end.

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My boys do that as well....Then again, if they "forget", I will say, "oh, thank you mommy. That was so nice of you." They then repeat what I just said. But I do it as a teaching measure. People need to be taught manners. If they were, it would be automatic and not something they have to think about or "forget." I actually have to make great efforts NOT to say please and thank you in situations where someone is being rude to me. But "please" and "thank you" and holding the door open for someone was ingrained in me so much growing up.

It's like my mother used to tell me, not everyone can be born into money, but everyone can have class. Money doesn't mean you have class. Having manners, does.

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This is a perfect situation to do one of two options. First option is to ignore. Second, and my personal favorite, is to say to the rude person "what?" In a level tone of voice, and when they respond, ask " what?" again. They make themselves look like an azz when they leave keep responding, each time getting louder.

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Honestly.

I don't know if I've ever thought about it.



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Both SO and his son do this to me, for example I'll drop something and they'll pick it up and hand it to me and immediately say "YOU'RE WELCOME" in an accusing tone.

It pisses me off to no end.


 It's just a passive aggressive way to be nasty to someone i think.



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My coworker who rides home with me always comments when I let someone in in front of me & they don't give the courtesy wave. I appreciate the courtesy wave & always give it but don't really expect it.

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I automatically say "you're welcome" whether the other person says thank you or not.

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Lexxy wrote:

My coworker who rides home with me always comments when I let someone in in front of me & they don't give the courtesy wave. I appreciate the courtesy wave & always give it but don't really expect it.


 I like giving the courtesy wave.  I feel like it 'reinforces' polite driving.  However, in busy traffic I might not take my hands off the wheel!



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Lexxy wrote:

My coworker who rides home with me always comments when I let someone in in front of me & they don't give the courtesy wave. I appreciate the courtesy wave & always give it but don't really expect it.


 I like giving the courtesy wave.  I feel like it 'reinforces' polite driving.  However, in busy traffic I might not take my hands off the wheel!


We live in the burbs so no city driving here.  But I understand what you mean. 



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lord--where do y'all live?--have never shamed a lady for holding a door for them ( or an elderly person, a disabled person, et al )--just isn't done--it is a privilege to help someone even be it a minor courtesy--whether they thank me or not is up to THEM


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