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The fallout from President Trump's temporary ban on refugees to the U.S. struck with full force Saturday, blocking some travelers from boarding their planes overseas, compelling others to turn around upon arrival in the U.S., and prompting customs agents at New York's JFK Airport to detain at least a dozen people, including a former Iraqi translator for the U.S. military in Baghdad.

The growing chaos also sparked legal challenges, airport protests, condemnations from politicians and denunciations from advocacy groups.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo Saturday tweeted an offer of support to those who had been stopped at the state's airports: "I have directed Port Authority, @NYSDOS, & my Counsel's Office to jointly explore all legal options to assist anyone detained at NY airports."

"I never thought I'd see the day when refugees, who have fled war-torn countries in search of a better life, would be turned away from our doorstep. We are a nation of bridges, not walls, and a great many of us still believe in the words 'give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses …' " he wrote. "This is not who we are, not who we should be."

Speaking to hundreds of demonstrators at JFK Airport, Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., called the ban ineffective, discriminatory, "disgusting," and said it "goes against every ounce of our traditions from George Washington onward."

"We are here to say it should be stopped and be revoked," he said.

 

The reverberations began only hours after Trump signed the executive order Friday that suspends the entry of all refugees to the United States for 120 days, halts the admission of refugees from Syria indefinitely and bars entry for three months to residents from the predominantly Muslim countries of Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen.

In brief remarks while signing his latest executive orders Saturday, Trump maintained the order isn't a "Muslim ban."

“It’s working out very nicely. We’re going to have a strict ban, and we’re going to have extreme vetting, which we should have had in this country for many years," he said.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/97181446/?client=ms-android-verizon



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Canada said they will take the stranded ones. This should not have been a surprise to the affected countries people. Stupid of them to try to fly into the US. I find it amusing that Iran is banning US peeps from getting tourist visas.

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Well I don't happen to think it's going very nicely. I know 2 people caught outside the country who can't renter. One is a student who went to Canada for a relative's wedding and now she can't get back in. She has a green card but cannot cross the border. Her parents are in the US and she goes to school in the US. She is not a Muslim, she is Catholic. The other is the adult son of a teacher at the school. The son was out of the country on business and his wife and baby are in the US. He cannot reenter. He has dual citizenship but cannot get into the US. His wife and baby are here - both are US citizens. His parents are terrified they will never see him again.

Not going nicely at all.

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Well I don't happen to think it's going very nicely. I know 2 people caught outside the country who can't renter. One is a student who went to Canada for a relative's wedding and now she can't get back in. She has a green card but cannot cross the border. Her parents are in the US and she goes to school in the US. She is not a Muslim, she is Catholic. The other is the adult son of a teacher at the school. The son was out of the country on business and his wife and baby are in the US. He cannot reenter. He has dual citizenship but cannot get into the US. His wife and baby are here - both are US citizens. His parents are terrified they will never see him again.

Not going nicely at all.


 Well that all means that the border guards do not understand the order.  Those people shouldn't be kept out.  Let's all breathe and try to figure this out.  I am sure there is more to come.



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There have been a few granted entrance.

It's a slower process because there is more serious vetting happening.



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It would have gone smoother if there was a delay in the implementation, 48 hours or so, so people would not have been in transit during the enforcement.

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It would have gone smoother if there was a delay in the implementation, 48 hours or so, so people would not have been in transit during the enforcement.


 Perhaps, but this is not a surprise or should not be to anyone. He campaigned on it , He is not a liar, he says what he will do and then does it, and people ignored it. And seriously? You claim refuge immunity status due to being treated badly in your own country, but go back to that country and are appalled about not being let back in?????



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I havn't heard any were refugees. It was also report that the ones in Chicago all were green card holders. If Trump was allowing them in when they got on theplane, yes it is a up rise to invalidate the visas enroute.

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Green card holders should have been allowed back in. They are here legally, and should be able to travel and return.

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Green card holders should have been allowed back in. They are here legally, and should be able to travel and return.


 This was from earlier today and I am not familiar with the source but it was going to apply to green card holders according to DHS

 

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/refugees-detained-at-us-airports-prompting-legal-challenges-to-trumps-immigration-order.html?_r=1

Judge Blocks Part of Trump’s Immigration Order

WASHINGTON — A federal judge blocked part of President Trump’s executive order on immigration on Saturday evening, ordering that refugees and others trapped at airports across the United States should not be sent back to their home countries. But the judge stopped short of letting them into the country or issuing a broader ruling on the constitutionality of Mr. Trump’s actions.

Lawyers who sued the government to block the White House order said the decision, which came after an emergency hearing in a New York City courtroom, could affect an estimated 100 to 200 people who were detained upon arrival at American airports in the wake of the order that Mr. Trump signed on Friday afternoon, a week into his presidency.

Judge Ann M. Donnelly of Federal District Court in Brooklyn, who was nominated by former President Barack Obama, ruled just before 9 p.m. that implementing Mr. Trump’s order by sending the travelers home could cause them “irreparable harm.”



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This is an awesome read about the history of Ellis Island . . .

www.libertyellisfoundation.org/ellis-island-history

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It would have gone smoother if there was a delay in the implementation, 48 hours or so, so people would not have been in transit during the enforcement.


 Perhaps, but this is not a surprise or should not be to anyone. He campaigned on it , He is not a liar, he says what he will do and then does it, and people ignored it. And seriously? You claim refuge immunity status due to being treated badly in your own country, but go back to that country and are appalled about not being let back in?????


 The people I know didn't travel to their countries of origin. They traveled to friendly countries and weren't allowed back in. And they were trying to gain entry at 2 different points and could not get in. This isnt the case of  an agent gone rogue. This is a systemic issue. Both spoke to supervisors who said they were not  allowed back in the country. 



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Well I don't happen to think it's going very nicely. I know 2 people caught outside the country who can't renter. One is a student who went to Canada for a relative's wedding and now she can't get back in. She has a green card but cannot cross the border. Her parents are in the US and she goes to school in the US. She is not a Muslim, she is Catholic. The other is the adult son of a teacher at the school. The son was out of the country on business and his wife and baby are in the US. He cannot reenter. He has dual citizenship but cannot get into the US. His wife and baby are here - both are US citizens. His parents are terrified they will never see him again.

Not going nicely at all.


 Well that all means that the border guards do not understand the order.  Those people shouldn't be kept out.  Let's all breathe and try to figure this out.  I am sure there is more to come.


 They shouldn't be kept out. But they ARE being kept out. This was not done with all consequences taken into consideration. 



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And so within a few hours, they are being let in. Need time to train the agents on the order.

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So in reading the pieces of the executive order and the Judge's ruling, people who have Visas or green cards or are already residents of this Country were ti be allowed back in but after going through additional security checks. Refugees who hadn't entered yet are banned temporarily. It's a mess, that is for sure.

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Ahh I see part of the issue, Trump is being called a bigot because he prioritized the vetting of Christian Syrians, you know the refugees that were targets for beheadings and such. They are under more danger than Muslims so they should be given priority IMO.

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Amazing how the media didn't care when Obama stopped Iraqi refugees for 6 months during his term.


New rules usually take time for people to learn and the process to go smoothly. They will work out the kinks. In the meantime - some people who have a right to be here will be inconvenienced, and those that have no right to be will have to go elsewhere.

Just as many Americans were inconvenienced after 9/11 when the TSA went a little insane to ensure safety.



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And by the way - OBAMA chose the seven countries on the list, not Trump. Trump is enforcing policies already made possible by the Obama administration.

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OBAMA’S ADMINISTRATION MADE THE “MUSLIM BAN” POSSIBLE AND THE MEDIA WON’T TELL YOU

By SETH J. FRANTZMAN

I was outraged by the ban on refugees from war-torn countries in the Middle East. I’ve covered refugees fleeing war in Iraq and Syria over the last two years, meeting families on the road in Greece, Serbia and Macedonia, speaking to poor people in Turkey and Jordan and discussing the hopes and fears of people displaced in Iraq. If you want to ban “terrorists,” these are the last people to hit with a refugee ban. Instead the government should be using the best intelligence possible to find people being radicalized, some of whom have lived in the US their whole lives or who come from countries not affected by the ban, such as Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.

So I was outraged, and then I read the executive order. There are many full texts of the order online, such as at CNN, the NYT, the WSJ or Independent.  According to most reports Trump was banning “nationals of seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the United States for at least the next 90 days.” This bars people from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen. US Senator Elizabeth Warren said “Let’s be clear: A Muslim ban by any other name is still a Muslim ban,” and Senator Chris Murphy claimed “Trump has now handed ISIS a path to rebirth.”  Media, such as Vox and the Independent, compared the ban to banning Jews from entry during the Holocaust and bashed Trump for singing the order on Holocaust memorial day. World leaders are “condemning Trump’s Muslim ban,” according to headlines.

I had to see for myself, so I read the executive order.  The order does seek “to protect the American people from terrorist attacks by foreign nationals admitted to the United States.” It says that it seeks “Suspension of Issuance of Visas and Other Immigration Benefits to Nationals of Countries of Particular Concern.” It also says “I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order.”  And it targets Syrians specifically. “I hereby proclaim that the entry of nationals of Syria as refugees is detrimental to the interests of the United States and thus suspend any such entry until such time as I have determined that sufficient changes have been made to the USRAP to ensure that admission of Syrian refugees is consistent with the national interest.”

But, wait a sec. According to the reports “The order bars all people hailing from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen.” Critics had attacked Trump for selecting these seven countries and not selecting other states “linked to his sprawling business empire.” Bloomberg and Forbes bought into this.

But, wait a sec. I read the order and Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen are not mentioned in it. 

Go back and read it again. Do a “ctrl-f” to find “Iraq”. Where is “Iraq” in the order. It’s not there. Only Syria is there. So where are the seven nations? Where is the “Muslim ban”? It turns out this was a form of fake news, or alternative facts. Trump didn’t select seven “Muslim-majority” countries. US President Barack Obama’s administration selected these seven Muslim-majority countries. 

The Department of Homeland Security targeted these seven countries over the last years as countries of concern. In February 2016 “The Department of Homeland Security today announced that it is continuing its implementation of the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 with the addition of Libya, Somalia, and Yemen as three countries of concern, limiting Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals who have traveled to these countries.” It noted “the three additional countries designated today join Iran, Iraq, Sudan and Syria as countries subject to restrictions for Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals.” It was the US policy under Obama to restrict and target people “who have been present in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, at any time on or after March 1, 2011 (with limited government/military exceptions).” This was text of the US Customs and Border Protection in 2015 relating to “the Visa Waiver Program and Terrorist Travel Protection Act of 2015“. The link even includes the seven nation list in it: “Iraq, Syria, Iran, SUdan, Somalia or Yemen.”  And the media knew this back in May 2016 when some civil rights groups complained about it. “These restrictions have provoked an outcry from the Iranian-American community, as well as Arab-American and civil-liberties groups, who say the restrictions on dual nationals and certain travelers are discriminatory and could be imposed against American dual nationals.”

It was signed into law on December 18, 2015, as part of the Omnibus Appropriations Act of FY2016.

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The Congress and Homeland Security selected these countries in 2016 and before (Screenshot of visa waiver categories, US Customs and Border Protection)

What? So there was a Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 two years before Trump? There was a kind of “Muslim ban” before the Muslim ban? But almost no one critiqued it in 2015 because it was Obama’s administration overseeing it.

So for more than a year it has been US policy to discriminate against, target and even begin to ban people from the seven countries that Trump is accused of banning immigrants and visitors from. CNN even hinted at this by noting “those countries were named in a 2016 law concerning immigration visas as ‘countries of concern.'”  But why didn’t CNN note that the seven countries were not named and that in fact they are only on the list because of Obama’s policy?

The “ban” didn’t exclude countries linked to business interests, it targeted countries of “concern” drawn up last year by Obama’s administration and Congress

Because mainstream media has been purposely lying, either due to ignorance or because of unwillingness to read the document and ask questions and because they are too ready to accept “facts” without investigating. They want to blame Trump for a “Muslim ban” because they were ready with that script since last year. And indeed Trump has enacted a harsh executive order cracking down on visitors from these countries (particularly Syrians), but his crackdown only includes those seven countries because of Obama’s policy. Trump’s decision to go beyond the policy and increase the Obama policy harms refugees, but it only increases an existing discriminatory policy, it doesn’t invent it. Reading media reports you would never know that.  Most disingenuous, truly bordering on fake news, are the reports that claimed the seven countries were connected to Trump business interests, as if Obama’s DHS picked them because of Trump?

So why didn’t anyone of the thousands of reporters covering this read the same document and ask the same question and do the same investigation of where the seven “countries of concern” came from? A simply Google search would have revealed the history. A bit of searching around US code would have explained it.


Were reports misleading on Trump “Muslim ban”?

The public should be suspicious of Trump’s policies and the media should speak truth to power and demand answers from the administration. But the media should also be truthful with the public and instead of claiming Trump singled out seven countries, it should note that the US Congress and Obama’s Department of Homeland Security had singled out these countries. It should have told us about the Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 rather than pretend this list was invented in 2017. Trump’s executive order said “countries of concern,” it didn’t make a list. That list was already made, last year and years before. 



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Where is the link to that article? Would love to have it so when some liberal friend belly aches, I can point this out.

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Thanks for pointing that out, LL. Most people are fast to jump on the Trump attack but don't understand that these rules are already in place by other administrations, but the O admin refused to follow the law. Well, there's a new sheriff in town.....

I don't understand how Muslim Syrians can claim refugee status.....failing to radicalize? And how does one prove he isn't?

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Where is the link to that article? Would love to have it so when some liberal friend belly aches, I can point this out.


 Click on the date in the article.  It will take you to it.



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