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The Justice Department has agreed to a settlement with a Miami-based pizza restaurant franchise as a way of resolving an investigation over allegations that the company violated immigration law by demanding that foreign-born legal resident workers produce green cards as proof of employment eligibility but failed to demand a similar document from U.S. citizen workers.

A Justice Department statement issued last week did not say specifically what kind of documents would have been proper to demand from citizens, but the issue was not so much the document but that the non-citizens were singled out for allegedly discriminatory treatment when supervisors demanded to see a green card but did not demand a specific document from citizens.

“The Justice Department is committed to ensuring the rights of lawful U.S. workers to be free from discriminatory barriers based on their citizenship, immigration status, or national origin,” acting Assistant Attorney General Tom Wheeler of the civil rights division said in a statement. “Pizzerias’ responsiveness throughout the course of the investigation assisted in a speedy resolution of this matter.”

The settlement in the Pizzerias LLC case is only the latest in a series of similar cases that the Justice Department brought against certain businesses around the country over the past few years.

In December, for example, the Justice Department reached an agreement resolving claims that 1st Class Staffing LLC, a staffing company in Orem, Utah, discriminated against work-authorized non-U.S. citizens in violation of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA).

The department’s investigation, conducted by the civil rights division’s office of special counsel for immigration-related unfair employment practices, found that 1st Class Staffing’s Fontana, California, office routinely requested that non-citizens, but not U.S. citizens, provide specific immigration documents to establish their authority to work.

Under the law, all workers — including non-U.S. citizens — must be allowed to choose whichever valid documentation they want to present from lists of acceptable documents to prove their work authorization. It is unlawful for an employer to limit an employee’s choice of documentation because of their citizenship, immigration status or national origin.

In the settlement agreement the Justice Department announced last week with Pizzerias LLC, a pizza restaurant franchise with 31 locations in Miami, the department revealed that it had been investigating the business because of allegations it was discriminating against work-authorized immigrants when checking their work authorization documents.

The department’s investigation concluded that Pizzerias routinely requested that lawful permanent residents produce a specific document — a permanent resident or green card — to prove their work authorization, while not requesting a specific document from U.S. citizens.

Lawful permanent residents often have the same work authorization documents available to them as U.S. citizens, and may choose acceptable documents other than a green card to prove they are authorized to work.

Under the settlement, Pizzerias must pay a civil penalty of $140,000 to the United States, post notices informing workers about their rights under the law’s anti-discrimination provision, train their human resources personnel, and be subject to departmental monitoring and reporting requirements.

 





-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Sunday 26th of March 2017 08:38:56 AM

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OK - first, what "paper" is a U.S. citizen supposed to provide other than ID and a social security card?

And I'm tired of people ignoring the obvious. Some people are just OBVIOUSLY not native to this country, be it accent, conversations you may have (hey, where are you from?), etc.

Companies are SUPPOSED to make sure the people they hire are legal.

I hope now that Obama is out of office, this type of idiocy will end. These cases are wrapping up from Obama's time.

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Whenever i have been hired, i have to do 100 back flips, pee in a cup, turn in every document of life, education, etc, vaccinations and on and on. This is total Obama Idiocy.

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Most places here use the E-verify network. I'm not really sure how it works.

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The government does not issue such a document to U.S. citizens, so requiring a company to ask for one is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.



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If I remember correctly, Employers are required to have each potential candidate complete an I9 form. There is a list of acceptable documents that the employer can requested from the candidate to verify the information on the form. The only criteria is the employer has to request the same ID from each candidate, as in the employer cannot has for one type of ID from on candidate and a different ID from another.

Ahh here it is.

Form I-9 is used for verifying the identity and employment authorization of individuals hired for employment in the United States. All U.S. employers must ensure proper completion of Form I-9 for each individual they hire for employment in the United States. This includes citizens and noncitizens. Both employees and employers (or authorized representatives of the employer) must complete the form. On the form, an employee must attest to his or her employment authorization. The employee must also present his or her employer with acceptable documents evidencing identity and employment authorization. The employer must examine the employment eligibility and identity document(s) an employee presents to determine whether the document(s) reasonably appear to be genuine and to relate to the employee and record the document information on the Form I-9. The list of acceptable documents can be found on the last page of the form. Employers must retain Form I-9 for a designated period and make it available for inspection by authorized government officers. NOTE: State agencies may use Form I-9. Also, some agricultural recruiters and referrers for a fee may be required to use Form I-9.

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I've had to show either my social security card or passport when I started a job. To prove my citizenship. I actually got into an argument with my manager when I started at Petsmart. He told me I HAD to bring in my drivers license and social security card. I said, no, I do not have to, I have my passport. He argued with me for a good 20 minutes until I had to explain the form to him that you need an item from list A and list B OR an item from list C. He was an idiot. One of many times I had to explain laws to him.

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Thanks IKWTDS, I couldn't remember the name of the form. The basic breakdown is:

List A: proves identity (ie: drivers license)
List B: proves citizenship/authority to work (ie: social security card)
List C: proves both identity and citizenship/authority to work (ie: passport)

You need either one from A and one from B to prove identity and citizenship/authority to work. OR one from C that covers both in one documnent

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Yes to everything you have all said about the I9. Also if you read the OP, it states the company only asked the workers they knew to be foreign born. The company must ask ALL employees to fill out the I9 or E verify. Not just the ones it knows to be foreign. Some companies have candidates fill out the I9 as part of the job offer, not on the first day of work. If this company was doing the I9 as part of the job offer it could be argued that they were using it to discriminate unfairly. Preferential treatment to natural citizens, green card holders get less of an salary offer, etc.


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Yes to everything you have all said about the I9. Also if you read the OP, it states the company only asked the workers they knew to be foreign born. The company must ask ALL employees to fill out the I9 or E verify. Not just the ones it knows to be foreign. Some companies have candidates fill out the I9 as part of the job offer, not on the first day of work. If this company was doing the I9 as part of the job offer it could be argued that they were using it to discriminate unfairly. Preferential treatment to natural citizens, green card holders get less of an salary offer, etc.


 Ok I get this. There is a cost to eVerify, etc so I am sure the company thought they could save a buck on not verifying obvious citizens, yeah bad on them.  But where has ICE been for the past 8 years?  Twiddling their thumbs?



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Any time I applied for a job, the only thing I was
asked to provide was my social security number.
Granted, this started back in 1959, so I had a
history of employment.



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The I9 form was mandatory beginning in 1986. So that's probably why you don't remember it!

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Mellow Momma wrote:

Yes to everything you have all said about the I9. Also if you read the OP, it states the company only asked the workers they knew to be foreign born. The company must ask ALL employees to fill out the I9 or E verify. Not just the ones it knows to be foreign. Some companies have candidates fill out the I9 as part of the job offer, not on the first day of work. If this company was doing the I9 as part of the job offer it could be argued that they were using it to discriminate unfairly. Preferential treatment to natural citizens, green card holders get less of an salary offer, etc.


 Ok I get this. There is a cost to eVerify, etc so I am sure the company thought they could save a buck on not verifying obvious citizens, yeah bad on them.  But where has ICE been for the past 8 years?  Twiddling their thumbs?


 The company has an obligation to follow the law. Not sure what ICE has to do with their obligation to fill out the proper employment forms. 



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This isn't about hiring illegal aliens. This is about "profiling", I guess. They required proof of work eligibility from people they wondered about - but didn't go to the same lengths with people they were sure were American citizens.

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The only way to be sure, when unsure, is to ask.

That's not profiling. That's using common sense.

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Mellow Momma wrote:

Yes to everything you have all said about the I9. Also if you read the OP, it states the company only asked the workers they knew to be foreign born. The company must ask ALL employees to fill out the I9 or E verify. Not just the ones it knows to be foreign. Some companies have candidates fill out the I9 as part of the job offer, not on the first day of work. If this company was doing the I9 as part of the job offer it could be argued that they were using it to discriminate unfairly. Preferential treatment to natural citizens, green card holders get less of an salary offer, etc.


 Ok I get this. There is a cost to eVerify, etc so I am sure the company thought they could save a buck on not verifying obvious citizens, yeah bad on them.  But where has ICE been for the past 8 years?  Twiddling their thumbs?


 The company has an obligation to follow the law. Not sure what ICE has to do with their obligation to fill out the proper employment forms. 


 Prior to O, one of ICE's routines was to raid business known for employing illegals.



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ICE still did that under Obama. A chain of Mexican restaurants in the town we lived in had to close for a week because of the raid on their places during the Obama administration. Again, it sure what that has to do with a business filling out the required employment forms.

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This isn't about hiring illegal aliens. This is about "profiling", I guess. They required proof of work eligibility from people they wondered about - but didn't go to the same lengths with people they were sure were American citizens.


 Which is exactly what I said! We agree for a change! 



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ICE still did that under Obama. A chain of Mexican restaurants in the town we lived in had to close for a week because of the raid on their places during the Obama administration. Again, it sure what that has to do with a business filling out the required employment forms.


 You seem to want to just poke me. Our federal agencies are supposed to collaborate, including the Dept of labor and ice. If the forms are missing or contain invalid data then ice is supposed to be brought in. That is always how it worked during the time I was in the payroll business. The laws haven't changed, just the lack of enforcement has.



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Mellow Momma wrote:
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This isn't about hiring illegal aliens. This is about "profiling", I guess. They required proof of work eligibility from people they wondered about - but didn't go to the same lengths with people they were sure were American citizens.


 Which is exactly what I said! We agree for a change! 


 Probably not.  Because I don't care if they WERE profiling.  Common sense, people.  You can tell if someone is not from this country by the way they talk, usually, and I have no issue with people asking for proof of work eligibility in that instance.  



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