By his decision NOT to have a business dinner ALONE with another woman, he is implying that he has NO self-control.
flan
No. He is recognizing that in this day, it is dangerous for a man (especially a man of prominence) to be alone with a woman he is not related to. Just the hint of impropriety can ruin a man, even if claims are later proven false.
No he is, he is being wise. People in front of the public need to be careful. Believe me in our small town just riding in a car with another man or woman can be a scandal.
People in politics has enemies who look for something to hurt their opponents reputation so I think he is being smart. Just look how those who don't like him are freaking out about the fact he won't eat alone with another woman. They will be the same ones who will accuse him of having a affair.
By his decision NOT to have a business dinner ALONE with another woman, he is implying that he has NO self-control.
flan
Not at all. Its a nod to the left making a big effin deal about nothing. We do the same. Its not about control, its about fvcking busybodies. You wouldn't understand...obviously.
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Hi, guys. I’m not sure if you saw this whole thing about Mike Pence and the fact that he doesn’t eat dinner alone with any woman who isn’t his wife. Hell, I almost missed it, and I do this stuff for a living.
Well, some liberals on social media got ahold of it and boy let me tell you that they do not seem to like the idea of a man being this devoted to his wife. It’s astounding, really. It’s almost like the collapse of a moral structure within the modern liberal movement has resulted in them believing that normal people just don’t do that.
Well, now people are deciding that this says something about Pence’s ability to govern. Check out this tweet, which perfectly sums up everything that is wrong with how these people think.
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1/ If Pence won't eat dinner alone with any woman but his wife, that means he won't hire women in key spots.
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I honest to God want to know if these people know how stupid this sounds. It is insane to think that this little quirk about Pence somehow translates to “He is going to be extremely sexist when it comes to hiring people in his or other offices.”
To jump to that assumption means that you are scouring for just about anything to hit Pence on because you don’t have much. This behavior of his is indicative of a certain set of beliefs (Christian, chivalrous, whatever you want to call it) almost wholly rejected by a party that hailed the Clintons and the Kennedys.
To be faithful to his wife, and to avoid temptation or anything that might even seem inappropriate, is in line with his character – a good, moral character at that – and that a group of his political opponents would use it as a means to attack him is an excellent indicator that certain religions and the personal beliefs on moral behavior that it inspires are not welcome in the public square.
It is a pitiful attack on an otherwise good man, it is shameful, and it is quite insane.
It's a rule we maintain as well. It's about preserving the marriage, by not allowing an appearance of impropriety.
Years ago my DH was on travel and had dinner alone with a female co-worker. He told me about it, I knew the woman, and did not feel she posed a threat. He admitted he felt funny, I admitted that made me a little uncomfortable, and we both agreed not to dine alone with the opposite sex. Thereafter, if he wanted to take his employee(s) to lunch to celebrate birthdays or whatever, he did it as a group.
Why was I uncomfortable? The familiarity. The time spent alone with that person. Even when my boss stopped by the hospital to visit me when I was pregnant, I made sure my DH was there, too. It's respectful to the marriage.
By his decision NOT to have a business dinner ALONE with another woman, he is implying that he has NO self-control.
flan
No. He is recognizing that in this day, it is dangerous for a man (especially a man of prominence) to be alone with a woman he is not related to. Just the hint of impropriety can ruin a man, even if claims are later proven false.
By his decision NOT to have a business dinner ALONE with another woman, he is implying that he has NO self-control.
flan
No. He is recognizing that in this day, it is dangerous for a man (especially a man of prominence) to be alone with a woman he is not related to. Just the hint of impropriety can ruin a man, even if claims are later proven false.
It's 2017, not 1950.
What about the WOMAN'S reputation?
flan
I adhere to the same rule. Your point?
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It's high time someone bring morals back to Washington.
It makes perfect sense, too.
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By his decision NOT to have a business dinner ALONE with another woman, he is implying that he has NO self-control.
flan
No. He is recognizing that in this day, it is dangerous for a man (especially a man of prominence) to be alone with a woman he is not related to. Just the hint of impropriety can ruin a man, even if claims are later proven false.
It's 2017, not 1950.
What about the WOMAN'S reputation?
flan
It is still happening. Read the gossip magazines. There were rumors of my sister in law having a affair just because she had a male friend. People love to talk. That is something that hasn't changed since the beginning of time. He is wise to be careful of his reputation. He isn't worried about himself it is those who want to destroy his career he is worried about.
By his decision NOT to have a business dinner ALONE with another woman, he is implying that he has NO self-control.
flan
No. He is recognizing that in this day, it is dangerous for a man (especially a man of prominence) to be alone with a woman he is not related to. Just the hint of impropriety can ruin a man, even if claims are later proven false.
It's 2017, not 1950.
What about the WOMAN'S reputation?
flan
Because here in 2017, a woman can still accuse a man of whatever she wants and ruin his reputation on baseless accusations. but you rarely hear about men accusing woman of improper behaviot.
Is the double standard right? no. But it's how it is. Just because I don't like something doesn't make it untrue.
It's pretty sick to not understand that you HONOR your marriage by not doing certain things. When we first got married , at DH's job, it was common for them to go to a strip club. He refused to go. Oh well. Guess he missed out on that business. He didn't feel it was right to go to that and thought it would be hurtful to me. But, i know you are into your porn flan so maybe the sewer is the only thing you understand.
I think it makes one look unprofessional to refuse to conduct a business meeting in a public place based on the genders of the persons attending a meeting.
I think it makes a person looks like he cares about his marriage.
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I think it makes one look unprofessional to refuse to conduct a business meeting in a public place based on the genders of the persons attending a meeting.
Tang, I can understand why you feel this way.
But, believe me, even going out for a business lunch, one on one, with a person of the opposite sex, will raise eyebrows.
As a woman who worked on the Hill in a male dominated industry, I say BOLLOCKS!
So I, as a professional woman can't do my job because of someone else's small ass mind? That because someone can't grasp the concept that a woman can actually conduct herself professionally, I am forced to do business differently than my male counterparts?
Can you imagine how detrimental this crap is to a woman? How long will her bosses accept that she can't meet with a client one-on-one, but has to bring a ****ing chaperone? Now at least TWO employees have to be out of the office ALL because some busybody might gossip and the wife might not like it?
And it's not just the high end business world we are talking about here. There are so many professions that require men and women to work and even travel with each other alone - the military, police, pilots, realtors, medical professionals (gasp, a male doctor needs to ensure that he is never ever alone with his female nurse or people will talk), teachers (another gasp, make sure that you aren't alone in the school with the opposite sex or you are not honoring your marriage).
And let's talk about the ****ing socioeconomic aspects here. How many of these husbands have been in their offices when the cleaning staff have been through? And do the gossips get talking about wifeypoo when the HVAC or Plumber stops by? Isn't being alone with "the help" dishonoring your marriage?
I cannot for the life of me see where not participating in a business lunch or dinner with a woman is any more dishonorable than a business meal wth a male, beucase basically it's saying that WOMEN are lesser and therefore the WIFE I'm trying so hard to honor is lesser too.
And that, folks is not honorable.
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As a woman who worked on the Hill in a male dominated industry, I say BOLLOCKS!
So I, as a professional woman can't do my job because of someone else's small ass mind? That because someone can't grasp the concept that a woman can actually conduct herself professionally, I am forced to do business differently than my male counterparts?
Can you imagine how detrimental this crap is to a woman? How long will her bosses accept that she can't meet with a client one-on-one, but has to bring a ****ing chaperone? Now at least TWO employees have to be out of the office ALL because some busybody might gossip and the wife might not like it?
And it's not just the high end business world we are talking about here. There are so many professions that require men and women to work and even travel with each other alone - the military, police, pilots, realtors, medical professionals (gasp, a male doctor needs to ensure that he is never ever alone with his female nurse or people will talk), teachers (another gasp, make sure that you aren't alone in the school with the opposite sex or you are not honoring your marriage).
And let's talk about the ****ing socioeconomic aspects here. How many of these husbands have been in their offices when the cleaning staff have been through? And do the gossips get talking about wifeypoo when the HVAC or Plumber stops by? Isn't being alone with "the help" dishonoring your marriage?
I cannot for the life of me see where not participating in a business lunch or dinner with a woman is any more dishonorable than a business meal wth a male, beucase basically it's saying that WOMEN are lesser and therefore the WIFE I'm trying so hard to honor is lesser too.
And that, folks is not honorable.
As a woman, I never went to any business meeting of any kind without anothe set of ears with me.
It isn't detrimental at all.
It's prudent.
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It's pretty sick to not understand that you HONOR your marriage by not doing certain things. When we first got married , at DH's job, it was common for them to go to a strip club. He refused to go. Oh well. Guess he missed out on that business. He didn't feel it was right to go to that and thought it would be hurtful to me. But, i know you are into your porn flan so maybe the sewer is the only thing you understand.
If you are equating a BUSINESS DINNER with a strip club, I can't help you.
Religion has no place in politics. Pence never understood that in Indiana, either.
flan
Pence was talking about practicing his beliefs about marriage to his wife not politics.
BUT his chosen career is a politician.
flan
You still have a private life. We all, Christian or not bring our beliefs to our everyday life including our careers. All politicians are influenced by their idealism whether we agree with them or not.
As vice president, it's part of his job to meet with people. Some of them will be women. I see this as a problem for him.
I support his view on this as a person, but I don't think it's an idea that the Vice President of The United States should adhere to. By all means leave the door open to the office if there are women present, or only have lunch in crowded restaurants (I understand that Trump has a restaurant in the converted Post Office / Hotel, maybe he can get a table there?). But he shouldn't exclude the possibility of him being one-on-one with women, like ever. At least not so long as he has this position in government.
As a woman who worked on the Hill in a male dominated industry, I say BOLLOCKS!
So I, as a professional woman can't do my job because of someone else's small ass mind? That because someone can't grasp the concept that a woman can actually conduct herself professionally, I am forced to do business differently than my male counterparts?
Can you imagine how detrimental this crap is to a woman? How long will her bosses accept that she can't meet with a client one-on-one, but has to bring a ****ing chaperone? Now at least TWO employees have to be out of the office ALL because some busybody might gossip and the wife might not like it?
And it's not just the high end business world we are talking about here. There are so many professions that require men and women to work and even travel with each other alone - the military, police, pilots, realtors, medical professionals (gasp, a male doctor needs to ensure that he is never ever alone with his female nurse or people will talk), teachers (another gasp, make sure that you aren't alone in the school with the opposite sex or you are not honoring your marriage).
And let's talk about the ****ing socioeconomic aspects here. How many of these husbands have been in their offices when the cleaning staff have been through? And do the gossips get talking about wifeypoo when the HVAC or Plumber stops by? Isn't being alone with "the help" dishonoring your marriage?
I cannot for the life of me see where not participating in a business lunch or dinner with a woman is any more dishonorable than a business meal wth a male, beucase basically it's saying that WOMEN are lesser and therefore the WIFE I'm trying so hard to honor is lesser too.
And that, folks is not honorable.
As a woman, I never went to any business meeting of any kind without anothe set of ears with me.
It isn't detrimental at all.
It's prudent.
And as a Lobbyist, I have had a number of business luncheons and (gasp) dinners where it was just me and either another lobbyist or staffer or even congressman (I had a number of single meetings with women staffers too, some who were lesbians) and many times, these lunches or early dinners were scheduled around other meetings. It happens all of the time, every single day on the hill. And to say that it doesn't is a lie, since the terms business lunch and dinner meetings are common lexicons and he'll, played out on TV.
My husband a Chief in the Air Force. There was no way in hell a female Chief could do her job if she wasnt allowed to be alone with another servicemember.
And now He is the CEO of our County's United Way. His counterpart in the next county over is a woman. Neither of their organizations have enough employees to chaperone them when they meet other business members in the community. So should their organizations lose opportunities to raise money or distribute funds because they may have to meet someone of the opposite sex?
Do you see how silly that sounds?
And while I understand that Pence would probably not dine with an open homosexual, would your husband be dishonoring your marriage if he had to have a business lunch with a gay man? wont people wonder?
again, doesnt that sound silly?
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Can you imagine him trying to get support on a bill from Susan Collins after this claptrap? "I'm sorry Senator, I can't be alone in a room with you becusse you cant be trusted to not make up lies about me, but I need your vote on Bill XYZ"
"BEtsy, we think your the right person to run our Department of Education, but we have to make sure that we are never seated at a two-top table in a restaurant because being next to you in a crowded restaurant dishonors my wife"
If he has any female staffers at all and he is alone with them in his office even for a second, he is a hypocrite, but worse. Because this isn't not about being alone with women, it's about being alone with women of power...women who are equal.
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I say, "Kudos" to VP Pence for having the wherewithall to make this choice. This isn't about trust between a husband and wife. It's about knowing there are people out there who are willing to compromise their own integrity, the ****-stirrers of the world, in order to cause trouble and start something that isn't there.
This probably wouldn't be an issue for the regular "joes" of the world but when someone is in a high-powered, highly visible position such as VP, AND knows there are millions of people out there who are already speaking out against you (general) in a hateful manner wanting nothing more than to cause problems and destroy you like the Dems have done since 20-Jan-17, I would make sure there is no way anyone could say anything.
And even with his doing the right thing, he's still crucified because those who want to do harm and cause trouble, turned this around to now mean something it doesn't. It proves to me that the ****-stirrers of the world are scum and will do anything to get what they want, even if it means destroying another human being at all cost.
Can you imagine him trying to get support on a bill from Susan Collins after this claptrap? "I'm sorry Senator, I can't be alone in a room with you becusse you cant be trusted to not make up lies about me, but I need your vote on Bill XYZ"
"BEtsy, we think your the right person to run our Department of Education, but we have to make sure that we are never seated at a two-top table in a restaurant because being next to you in a crowded restaurant dishonors my wife"
If he has any female staffers at all and he is alone with them in his office even for a second, he is a hypocrite, but worse. Because this isn't not about being alone with women, it's about being alone with women of power...women who are equal.
You should ask Herman Cain. His political career was completely derailed by accusations. Not proof, mind you - but accusations.
Regardless, I think this is about respect for his wife, which I think more men in Washington need to have. And anyone who belittles him because of that is just beyond deplorable.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
I say, "Kudos" to VP Pence for having the wherewithall to make this choice. This isn't about trust between a husband and wife. It's about knowing there are people out there who are willing to compromise their own integrity, the ****-stirrers of the world, in order to cause trouble and start something that isn't there.
This probably wouldn't be an issue for the regular "joes" of the world but when someone is in a high-powered, highly visible position such as VP, AND knows there are millions of people out there who are already speaking out against you (general) in a hateful manner wanting nothing more than to cause problems and destroy you like the Dems have done since 20-Jan-17, I would make sure there is no way anyone could say anything.
And even with his doing the right thing, he's still crucified because those who want to do harm and cause trouble, turned this around to now mean something it doesn't. It proves to me that the ****-stirrers of the world are scum and will do anything to get what they want, even if it means destroying another human being at all cost.
So one backs down and personally offends perfectly honorable WOMAN because someone might stir some ****? That is somehow "right"?
Someone else pointed out that he could be President one day. How will he manage to do his job with other Heads of State or Diplomats if they happen to be women? How offensive to Angela Markel.
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I say, "Kudos" to VP Pence for having the wherewithall to make this choice. This isn't about trust between a husband and wife. It's about knowing there are people out there who are willing to compromise their own integrity, the ****-stirrers of the world, in order to cause trouble and start something that isn't there.
This probably wouldn't be an issue for the regular "joes" of the world but when someone is in a high-powered, highly visible position such as VP, AND knows there are millions of people out there who are already speaking out against you (general) in a hateful manner wanting nothing more than to cause problems and destroy you like the Dems have done since 20-Jan-17, I would make sure there is no way anyone could say anything.
And even with his doing the right thing, he's still crucified because those who want to do harm and cause trouble, turned this around to now mean something it doesn't. It proves to me that the ****-stirrers of the world are scum and will do anything to get what they want, even if it means destroying another human being at all cost.
So one backs down and personally offends perfectly honorable WOMAN because someone might stir some ****? That is somehow "right"?
Someone else pointed out that he could be President one day. How will he manage to do his job with other Heads of State or Diplomats if they happen to be women? How offensive to Angela Markel.
Oh please. All that has to happen is that someone else go along. Gosh, people can be so stupid.
This is a policy here...AT MY JOB. No closed door meeting between two people of the opposite sex. No lunches with just two people of the opposite sex. It hasn't affected our success in any way. There are lots of businesses here that have this policy. If you can't do your job without being alone with someone of the opposite sex, then you are not very good at your job...
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How offensive is Angela Markel to the Germans who have to live under her policies? Just saying!
Outside of your amazing bit of deflection, you can insert any woman Head of State. How would you feel if Pence decided that he just could not do business, even as VP with Margaret Thatcher, Golda Mier, Vigdis Finnbogadottiir, Corazon Aquino (who happened to campaign for a Republican even though she was head of her Liberal Party), or Park Geun-hey?
The reality is, not only is it NOT realistic to expect a man to never be alone with a woman other than his wife, it is thoroughly condescending to deny a woman her ability to do her job all because she does not have a penis. The Vice President is now setting a precedent that NO WOMAN can be trusted even at the highest levels of government, so why should any woman be trusted.
And honestly, when I was on the hill, I also ran my association's PAC. You better believe that I would not provide financial support to a Congressman who personally or who hired a staffer, who would not meet with me for a quick luncheon because I had a vagina, especially since my job was to support Military and VA health care for both men and women. I could not trust this Representative/Senator to do the right thing for all of my members if he couldn't even meet with me.
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