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Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Teacher Fired for Refusing to Teach Student Who Would Not Stand for Pledge of Allegiance

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/05/chicago-area-teacher-fired-refusing-student-pledge-of-allegiance/

FNW · Guru

He should be commended.

Cheerios4606 · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

.......“I hope my son can get through the next two years and not get harassed,” Porter exclaimed.

Too late.

WYSIWYG · Guru

As a government employee, he doesn't have the right to make that decision. I agree that he should have been fired. The right to speak or not speak or to protest peacefully is guaranteed to all citizens, even this student.

I believe in America, and I will defend his right to not pledge allegiance if he wishes. Those that died to defend the flag, died to protect his right to refuse to pledge. I may not like him doing it, but I will defend his right to.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Our rights are defended UNDER the name of our flag. Everyone wants the protection and resources of the United States without the loyalty to it.

Forever Sunshine · Guru

It's the Constitution that protects us, our rights, which grants us the right to NOT speak if we so choose. It grants us the right to peacefully protest if we so choose. It's not our flag; it's our Constitution. I stand by the student's right to not say the pledge granted to him under the Constitution.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

That student has every right to protest.

That teacher has the right to refuse to instruct that student.

Even as an employee of the state, he can refuse to instruct him.

Teachers refuse students all the time.

Actions have consequences.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

And there was a time when refusing to stand for the pledge would have gotten the student suspended.

But now there are so many factions within our country, hyphenated Americans and those who simply do not appreciate what they have or where they are.

It's a pledge to stand united and support each other as much as the rights that the flag represents.

If a person enjoys the right to protest, then they should be pledging to continue to support that right along with their fellow statesmen.

Instead we have people basically pissing on every single person who fought and died to keep those rights preserved for us.

I will never stand by anyone who will not stand for the pledge.

You want to protest?

Go do something that makes a difference.

Not standing for the pledge just makes you an ungrateful punk.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I think kids should be required to stand for the Pledge and for the National Anthem. They don't have to say it, they don't have to sing. They should be required to stand by silently and respectfully.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I think EVERYONE that calls themselves AMERICAN should stand for the pledge because they are thankful they live in a country this free.

Respect is dying.

And it's the parents fault for not having that ingrained into their child.

Stand for the pledge!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

The parents can only do so much. Society at large has deteriorated. So, even good parents really struggle to instill those values when everything else is a big joke. Not that it can't be done or that we shouldn't try, but we have become a very crass, self absorbed people.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

That's another thing.

When did parents become an after thought?

Why do parents sit by and allow others to teach their kid anything character wise?

Elementary schools now have "character building" lessons.

Why? That is the parents job!

I'm so sick and tired of the "but what can you do" attitude when it comes to kids misbehaving.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Well, you can do a lot. But, you can only shield them so much from the degrading influences everywhere.

burns07 · Guru

well, while disagree with the school district's decision to fire this teacher have to admit that they're legally in the right--scotus has ruled repeatedly that minor's first amendment rights
are limited to an extent but do not believe this kid's behaviour meets the test--the teacher refused to do his job(for whatever reasons)--he put himself in that position

sadly, the losers here are not just the teacher and his family but the many other students and the school itself

all so some hoodrat could get attention--complete parenting failure--we'll see what mom says when her little darling is put behind bars down the road

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

lilyofcourse wrote:
I think EVERYONE that calls themselves AMERICAN should stand for the pledge because they are thankful they live in a country this free.

Respect is dying.

And it's the parents fault for not having that ingrained into their child.

Stand for the pledge!

Lily, having the right NOT to is what makes this country great and the reason people should be proud to be an American. Now, I think everyone SHOULD, but they certainly do not have to.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

And FYI - the teacher was stupid. You don't get to refuse to teach a student because the student does or doesn't do something you don't like.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I agree. His job is to teach. That's what he is paid to do.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

However, i am very surprised that they could fire him that easily. Firing teachers in our state is very, very difficult. It is highly unlikely you would be able to fire a teacher for just one instance. However, there may have been other infractions that they are not saying and he is not saying. So, highly unlikely that would happen here. I have been involved in firing teachers. Some due to poor performance. And, to fire based on that first requires they be put on improvement plans and given a chance to turn it around, etc. If then they get additional poor performance, then only then can you move to terminate.
We recently fired a teacher who made very innappropriate and ridiculous comments in the classroom. Some of it was quite outrageous. We immediately suspended her WITH PAY. Which is absurd but that is what we had to do. The goal at that point was not the money but was to get her out of the classroom away from the kids. And, that is what we did. Then, we had to have a hearing , meetings with lawyers and on and on and we recently officially fired her months later. The community gets pissed that they are still getting paid but that is how it works. I dont' like it but that is what it is.
And, the community doesnt' always know what is going on behind closed doors because we are not allowed to discuss personnel issues at all. So, a lot can be happening but it looks like we are not taking action when we actually are.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
However, i am very surprised that they could fire him that easily. Firing teachers in our state is very, very difficult. It is highly unlikely you would be able to fire a teacher for just one instance. However, there may have been other infractions that they are not saying and he is not saying. So, highly unlikely that would happen here. I have been involved in firing teachers. Some due to poor performance. And, to fire based on that first requires they be put on improvement plans and given a chance to turn it around, etc. If then they get additional poor performance, then only then can you move to terminate.
We recently fired a teacher who made very innappropriate and ridiculous comments in the classroom. Some of it was quite outrageous. We immediately suspended her WITH PAY. Which is absurd but that is what we had to do. The goal at that point was not the money but was to get her out of the classroom away from the kids. And, that is what we did. Then, we had to have a hearing , meetings with lawyers and on and on and we recently officially fired her months later. The community gets pissed that they are still getting paid but that is how it works. I dont' like it but that is what it is.
And, the community doesnt' always know what is going on behind closed doors because we are not allowed to discuss personnel issues at all. So, a lot can be happening but it looks like we are not taking action when we actually are.

You must have a tenure or union state. We don't have that here. Teachers are hired on a yearly contract here and can be fired for any "misconduct" - until they are offered a contract for the next year, they don't even know if their job will continue.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yup. Union.

Momala · Great cook-happy wife-superb fisherman

Isn't Driver's Ed an elective? Not part of the
regular curriculum? And yep! Poor little kid
is going to be "picked on" by his peers, whose
parents have done a better job at raising their
children with manners and respect.

Good for the kids who signed the petition to
re-instate Ziebarth - it shows they are learning
to work with the system to fix something they
disagree with.

So Shemar Cooper thinks "America sucks"?
OK - move to where you think your life would
be better. We'll help you pack.

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