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Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Legalize marijuana?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I have mixed feelings about it.

Alcohol is legal, and when used in moderation, is not a problem.

Pot, to me, is the same.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

No, for medicinal purposes only. Are you watching the news from D.C with the small rally? Did you see Potsquatch?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

No, not watching the news right now. I think that people want to use it. So, we might as well legalize it and then have some reasonable laws about it. However, I am not a fan of having even more stoned people walking around. I also think the smell of it is kind of sickening and you can smell it on people just like you can smell tobacco smoke
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One concern is that , unlike alcohol, there is no way to determine acute intoxication levels. And, it stays in your system for months so you will be judged for using it. Seems like employed people will not have the luxury to use it for fear of using their jobs but the umemployed will be able to use it and then have more ways for them to piss away money. So, that really doesn't seem very fair in that working people cannot partake.

As for me, i have never even tried one whiff of it. I have smelled it at concerts but have never ever smoked a puff of a joint. So, i really dont' know what all the fuss is about.

Honeys_Mom · Mod & Permanent Board Sweetheart

LGS, where's the poll? smile

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Yes.

Let police chase real criminals instead of wasting their time with petty busts for pot.

flan

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Honeys_Mom wrote:
LGS, where's the poll?

Oh no one has done a poll in a long time! Ed used to. hmm

Lindley · Guru

I think for medical use only. My dil's sister was in a car accident and the other driver was stoned but didn't get arrested or ticketed for driving under the influence because it is legal in that state. I understand alcohol has its own issues but pot stays in your body longer and it affects the brain of young people and I feel like because it is a political correct vice it isn't given the scrutiny or information it should.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

flan327 wrote:
Yes.

Let police chase real criminals instead of wasting their time with petty busts for pot.

flan

DUI is a real crime, take your head out of the sand.

FNW · Guru

I figure why not. It's no worse than alcohol, so let's tax it and use it to pay off some debt. Or use it to fund rehab clinics, or help our Veterans get psychiatric help. And regulate it. There's a lot of bad stuff out there, so hopefully legalization and regulation would help with that. Not thrilled with the thought of having more stoners out there, but they're there anyway.

I tried it in high school. I got the giggles and couldn't stop laughing over the stupidest of things. That's what I remember from it.

FNW · Guru

I saw the 4:20'ers today. Apparently they were too stones to realize they were standing on federal property, and not in DC. LOL (It's legal in DC, but not on federal property). And now Bruce Looser Springsteen dropped a new protest song about immigration. Woody Guthrie wanna be.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I have a lot of concerns about it. Edibles falling into the hands of kids. Legalizing it will make it more socially acceptable and therefore a lot of people are now going to try it that would not have ventured to try it if it was illegal. And, some of those people will get addicted and ruin their lives. And, it is addictive, just like any substance.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Yes.

Let police chase real criminals instead of wasting their time with petty busts for pot.

flan
DUI is a real crime, take your head out of the sand.

I have no idea what your problem is.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

The problem is that there will be even more stoned people on the road. That's a problem.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

FNW wrote:
I saw the 4:20'ers today. Apparently they were too stones to realize they were standing on federal property, and not in DC. LOL (It's legal in DC, but not on federal property). And now Bruce Looser Springsteen dropped a new protest song about immigration. Woody Guthrie wanna be.

Let's take pot shots at a rock & roll LEGEND.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Wanna bet people made the same arguments during Prohibition?

Not everyone who drinks does so to excess.

The same goes for pot.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
FNW wrote:
I saw the 4:20'ers today. Apparently they were too stones to realize they were standing on federal property, and not in DC. LOL (It's legal in DC, but not on federal property). And now Bruce Looser Springsteen dropped a new protest song about immigration. Woody Guthrie wanna be.
Let's take pot shots at a rock & roll LEGEND.
flan

He's taking pot shots at Trump, sooooo yeah.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Wanna bet people made the same arguments during Prohibition?

Not everyone who drinks does so to excess.

The same goes for pot.

flan

No kidding. But, with alcohol, we are able to establish intoxication levels with a blood test or breath test. There is no such test for MJ.

FNW · Guru

Hopefully Noah's Law in MD will extend to pot as well as alcohol.

I see the concerns, but the concerns parallel alcohol concerns. Children could imbibe alcohol (or cleaning solutions) if parents don't take precautions. Sure, a brownie looks mighty tempting, but so does pretty red koolaid-looking dish soap, to a youngster. And I get the addiction concern. From an old addict friend I had years ago, I was told it's a personality type which makes a person more prone to addiction period. Take away alcohol, they find cigarettes. Take away cigs, they'll find something else to obsess over. Not saying throw in the towel and give up, but addicts struggle with it daily, staying away from triggers. I don't really think pot will "make" any new addicts. But I could be wrong.

FNW · Guru

And I'll bet if it becomes legal, someone will come up with a test real quick.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

FNW wrote:
And I'll bet if it becomes legal, someone will come up with a test real quick.

It is legal in a lot of states already. And, there is no test. If you are driving recklessly, they could test you to see if it is your system and you could be charged with DUI. But you might have smoked it days ago, run a stop sign and I suppose they could charge you with DUI. It's quite a bit more complicated than alcohol. Also, you can smell alcohol. But, if they are using pot edibles, then you can't smell that. So, as I said, makes it all the more trickier.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
FNW wrote:
I saw the 4:20'ers today. Apparently they were too stones to realize they were standing on federal property, and not in DC. LOL (It's legal in DC, but not on federal property). And now Bruce Looser Springsteen dropped a new protest song about immigration. Woody Guthrie wanna be.
Let's take pot shots at a rock & roll LEGEND.
flan
He's taking pot shots at Trump, sooooo yeah.

I didn't realize the First Amendment had been repealed.

Music has ALWAYS dealt with social concerns.

flan

FNW · Guru

I'll have to research DUI defenses as they pertain to pot. This might be interesting...

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yeah, which also applies to "taking post shots at a rock and roll LEGEND". But yeah, that only applies to you! LOL!

Honeys_Mom · Mod & Permanent Board Sweetheart

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
FNW wrote:
I saw the 4:20'ers today. Apparently they were too stones to realize they were standing on federal property, and not in DC. LOL (It's legal in DC, but not on federal property). And now Bruce Looser Springsteen dropped a new protest song about immigration. Woody Guthrie wanna be.
Let's take pot shots at a rock & roll LEGEND.
flan
He's taking pot shots at Trump, sooooo yeah.

Am I the only one who giggles at puns? biggrin

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

No. I think it should be used medically, but should not be legalized for regular use. I hate cigarette smoke enough - I certainly don't want to deal with getting a contact buzz walking down the street - and YES, if it's legal, people will smoke it in public.

And if it's legal, it will be easier for kids to get, and that is not good for developing bodies and minds.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Honeys_Mom wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
FNW wrote:
I saw the 4:20'ers today. Apparently they were too stones to realize they were standing on federal property, and not in DC. LOL (It's legal in DC, but not on federal property). And now Bruce Looser Springsteen dropped a new protest song about immigration. Woody Guthrie wanna be.
Let's take pot shots at a rock & roll LEGEND.
flan
He's taking pot shots at Trump, sooooo yeah.
Am I the only one who giggles at puns?

I wondered who would catch that!

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
No. I think it should be used medically, but should not be legalized for regular use. I hate cigarette smoke enough - I certainly don't want to deal with getting a contact buzz walking down the street - and YES, if it's legal, people will smoke it in public.

And if it's legal, it will be easier for kids to get, and that is not good for developing bodies and minds.

I would venture to guess that kids have no problem getting it now.

flan

Honeys_Mom · Mod & Permanent Board Sweetheart

She's not on this board, but the other Geek Table mod, Blue Rebel (a police officer), said on a similar thread that she believed it should be legal. Anyone else remember that thread?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
No. I think it should be used medically, but should not be legalized for regular use. I hate cigarette smoke enough - I certainly don't want to deal with getting a contact buzz walking down the street - and YES, if it's legal, people will smoke it in public.

And if it's legal, it will be easier for kids to get, and that is not good for developing bodies and minds.
I would venture to guess that kids have no problem getting it now.
flan

Not as easily as if it was legal.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Legalization gives it the air of legitimacy and safety flan. Sorry you can't understand that. But there are actually people in this country who don't break laws and would not use it if it was illegal. When you remove that stigma, barrier, then you are opening up this substance to a lot of new people, some of whom will get addicted and destroy their lives.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

No.

MJ is still a gateway drug.

Medical derivatives should be allowed for those who need pain relief or seizure relief, but beyond that, no.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

flan327 wrote:
FNW wrote:
I saw the 4:20'ers today. Apparently they were too stones to realize they were standing on federal property, and not in DC. LOL (It's legal in DC, but not on federal property). And now Bruce Looser Springsteen dropped a new protest song about immigration. Woody Guthrie wanna be.
Let's take pot shots at a rock & roll LEGEND.
flan

Again, take your head out of the sand. Rock stars are driven around, they do NOT drive while touring. And I know who that pot shot pun was aimed at, your statement is ignorant and stupid.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I wish cigarettes were illegal because of second hand smoke- I'm certainly not for legalizing something where second hand smoke can get you stoned. And more people WILL smoke it with kids around if you legitimize it.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

just Czech wrote:
No.

MJ is still a gateway drug.

Medical derivatives should be allowed for those who need pain relief or seizure relief, but beyond that, no.

And medical derivatives have been around for a long time, according to some of the nurses on the board. Including NJN.

Domestic Engineer · Guru

Absolutely not.

After being married to a pot head who started using at age 16, I've seen first hand the effects of the stunted emotional development due to pot.

I don't understand why people need a drug, whether it's alcohol, pot or other drugs, to relax and enjoy life.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Honeys_Mom wrote:
She's not on this board, but the other Geek Table mod, Blue Rebel (a police officer), said on a similar thread that she believed it should be legal. Anyone else remember that thread?

I do remember her, but not the thread.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

just Czech wrote:
No.

MJ is still a gateway drug.

Medical derivatives should be allowed for those who need pain relief or seizure relief, but beyond that, no.

It's not a "gateway drug."

flan

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

flan327 wrote:
just Czech wrote:
No.

MJ is still a gateway drug.

Medical derivatives should be allowed for those who need pain relief or seizure relief, but beyond that, no.
It's not a "gateway drug."
flan

So Flan, what is your definition of a gateway drug?

My definition is any drug that leads to a more potent one. Pot does that. You get high on pot and over time pot doesn't do it for you anymore so you move on to more potent drugs. It is simple.

Divine Geek · Guru

I think it should be legal for medical use only. Prescription required. I put marijuana in the same catagory as Xanax or Vicodin. They have medical applications, but you can't just walk into the store and decide you want to buy it.

FNW · Guru

Springsteen is making things political, so he's fair game.

Forever Sunshine · Guru

flan327 wrote:
just Czech wrote:
No.

MJ is still a gateway drug.

Medical derivatives should be allowed for those who need pain relief or seizure relief, but beyond that, no.
It's not a "gateway drug."
flan

Are you really this uninformed or are you just being obtuse as usual.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

This sounds like something from "Reefer Madness."

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/marijuana-gateway-drug

However, the majority of people who use marijuana do not go on to use other, "harder" substances.

An alternative to the gateway-drug hypothesis is that people who are more vulnerable to drug-taking are simply more likely to start with readily available substances such as marijuana, tobacco, or alcohol.

flan

WYSIWYG · Guru

I saw a news report recently that was headlined "Pot Taxes to Fund Higher Education". I got a laugh out of that, and I wondered if they caught the double entendre within.

WYSIWYG · Guru

And if it's legal, it will be easier for kids to get, and that is not good for developing bodies and minds.
- Lawyerlady

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You say that like it's hard for kids to get it now. I think legalizing it will actually make it harder for kids to get it, because legally licensed businesses won't sell to kids, for fear of losing their licenses.

Street corner drug pushers and the kids in the school hall with the locker full of "dime bags", on the other hand, they don't have those issues to worry over.

karl271 · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
And if it's legal, it will be easier for kids to get, and that is not good for developing bodies and minds.
- Lawyerlady

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You say that like it's hard for kids to get it now. I think legalizing it will actually make it harder for kids to get it, because legally licensed businesses won't sell to kids, for fear of losing their licenses.

Street corner drug pushers and the kids in the school hall with the locker full of "dime bags", on the other hand, they don't have those issues to worry over.

Good point!!! But I will still go for medical purposes only....

FNW · Guru

I used to think MJ was a gateway drug, but then thought about it for a bit.....those of us who enjoy a good drink every now and then don't search out "something stronger." So why would someone who enjoyed a good toke here and there be motivated to do that either. An addict is going to, regardless of legality. And legalization would not change that.

I am torn about whether it should be legal, honestly. But if it does become legal, I won't be heartbroken over it.

Cheerios4606 · Guru

There are places you cant go in colorado anymore because we have had an influx of 'travelers' coming to the state for the sole purpose of getting high. it is out and in the public. public malls are no longer an option. It used to be so much fun and now it is disgusting.

FNW · Guru

Then it should be regulated like public drinking. Drunk in public? Spend time in the tank. Open container, etc. There needs to be limits. Like cigar bars, they should have MJ bars. Keep it contained. We're not allowed to walk down the street with a can of beer in our hands, we shouldn't be allowed to toke, except in certain places.