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Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Take them down or move them.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

The Left is never going to stop bietching LL. They have assumed the position of thugs and bullies. As soon as you acquiesce to this demand, there will be another one and another one and another one and on and on and on.

If you are going to remove them, then just destroy them. The cost of tearing these down, shipping them, storing them, etc will turn into another billion dollar govt debacle.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

I like the idea of moving them to the cemetery but LGS is correct about not only the cost but also the bitching and complaining. Those babies won't stop.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Well, I know they won't stop bitching about other things - but this really just isn't one that needs to be a fight. The Confederacy lost. 150 years ago.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I don't like the idea of destroying them. Many of them are beautiful works of art.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I am not from the South. I am a Yankee, lol . So, this really isn't my battle to fight one way or the other. If the Southern states choose to take them down, then fine. But, do it through the legal/political process. Make a motion and vote on it with elected representatives. Then, take them down if that is the vote. However, letting thugs come in and demand and smash things, no.

TrudyML · Guru

Eh, it is part of their history. If they prefer them up. Leave them up. I think the whole thing is stupid. And the thugs just do it to incite riots. Of course Boston is gearing up this weekend for the Nazis. It'll be great around MA this weekend.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I am not from the South. I am a Yankee, lol . So, this really isn't my battle to fight one way or the other. If the Southern states choose to take them down, then fine. But, do it through the legal/political process. Make a motion and vote on it with elected representatives. Then, take them down if that is the vote. However, letting thugs come in and demand and smash things, no.

I'm a Yankee living in the south. Feel for me. I appreciate the southern history and culture, and unlike many, I understand that slavery was not the only reason for the civil war. But most people were not history majors, most people see the Confederate symbols as a longing for slavery to return or a reminder of a time when people were owned. I get the issue - I certainly hope all of us can agree slavery was wrong and it's better that it ended. And keeping statues as a reminder of it is just not worth dividing the country over.

Republicans, all of them, would be better off if they just stepped back and graciously agreed to take them down instead of fighting it.

Domestic Engineer · Guru

The monument they want removed where I live is a monument in memory of the confederate lives lost during the battle at that location. Directly across the street from it is an identical monument in memeory of the union lives lost during the same battle. In reality, both monuments look like they are just marking an entrance to an older part of town. It is not until one looks closely and reads them that you recognize they are civil war memorials. If one needs to go, they both need to go.

If the republicans roll on this, they will soon be rolling more and more to appease the whiners.

TrudyML · Guru

I want all Martin Luther King statues down!!!!!!!!!!

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Domestic Engineer wrote:
The monument they want removed where I live is a monument in memory of the confederate lives lost during the battle at that location. Directly across the street from it is an identical monument in memeory of the union lives lost during the same battle. In reality, both monuments look like they are just marking an entrance to an older part of town. It is not until one looks closely and reads them that you recognize they are civil war memorials. If one needs to go, they both need to go.

If the republicans roll on this, they will soon be rolling more and more to appease the whiners.

Not everything is a battle that should be fought. And this one is not a Republican issue. Those are DEMOCRAT statues. If they want to take them down - let them.

I agree about your monument - it is part of a set. I believe all American soldiers should be honored together. I'd like to see a joint monument in our town.

Where I live, our town still stands, it wasn't burned. We have a lot of history here. It doesn't all live in a statue.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Why are Republicans, who were the UNION, for heaven's sake, fighting to keep confederate statues? WTH? It makes no sense whatsoever.

You talk about the left just moving on to the next thing if we roll on this, but let's face it - it is only being fought at all b/c the left wants it.

Republicans are not ROLLING on this issue. Confederate statues are NOT ours. Never have been.

Forever Sunshine · Guru

It's history and personally, I think they should remain. It is our history and wiping it out isn't going to change it. I think it's just better to accept it and move on than make such a big deal about it. Leave them alone and find something else to jaw about (not you, LL, just generally speaking).

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

I am scared about the erasing history issue.

Forever Sunshine · Guru

Me too, IKWTDS. This PC crap would try to have the world believe we're all so lilly white and innocent. It is our history and we ALL need to accept it and move on.

It scares me how the history books are changing that our kids are "learning" from.

Lindley · Guru

They should also tear down the statue that is of either Stalin or Lenin that is in Seattle too

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

And, rip down the portraits of RACIST Margaret Sanger in the National Portrait Gallery.

FNW · Guru

I don't think any of them should be torn down. Now they are talking about defunding the Jefferson Memorial and removing George Washington statues because you know, they owned slaves. But back then, who didn't? All over the world! It's going on now in some countries. It's horrific, but it's the way it was. Celebrate today, stop harboring ill feelings against yesterday.

Cheerios4606 · Guru

Since we are in this revisionist useless mayhem that will not solve any practical problem and will rather bleach even more the history books I shall ask:
When are we removing the Lenin statue in Seattle?
When are we taking down the images and poster of Che Guevara in places such as, the Cesar Chavez student center in UNC in Greeley, CO?
Will someone show some consistency or is this just another futile exercise of selective outrage to keeps the masses entertained while Rome burns?
Inquiring minds would like to know.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
And, rip down the portraits of RACIST Margaret Sanger in the National Portrait Gallery.

Yes, PLEASE. That woman was pure evil. Even more so than Hillary.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Forever Sunshine wrote:
It's history and personally, I think they should remain. It is our history and wiping it out isn't going to change it. I think it's just better to accept it and move on than make such a big deal about it. Leave them alone and find something else to jaw about (not you, LL, just generally speaking).

"Just leave them alone and find something else to jaw about."

If that were possible, I'd gladly agree. This is not going to die quietly, and it's going to get ugly, and I don't think that benefits us.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Let's just take down all statues, everywhere. They amount to idolatry, anyway. biggrin

Forever Sunshine · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Forever Sunshine wrote:
It's history and personally, I think they should remain. It is our history and wiping it out isn't going to change it. I think it's just better to accept it and move on than make such a big deal about it. Leave them alone and find something else to jaw about (not you, LL, just generally speaking).
"Just leave them alone and find something else to jaw about."
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If that were possible, I'd gladly agree. This is not going to die quietly, and it's going to get ugly, and I don't think that benefits us.

I agree that all of this isn't going to help or benefit us. But what's the alternative? Caving in to unrealistic demands? What does that solve?

I also agree that it should be an all or nothing scenario. Either they all stay or they all come down. The problem with them all coming down is the rewriting of history that will ensue from there.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

The Republicans should not have a dog in the fight of confederate statues. We just shouldn't. We didn't put them up, and we shouldn't care if they come down.

Forever Sunshine · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
The Republicans should not have a dog in the fight of confederate statues. We just shouldn't. We didn't put them up, and we shouldn't care if they come down.

I'd beg to differ. I think we all should have a say in it. It's our history.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

So I guess we blast Stone Mountain?

Do we rename roads? Towns? Schools?

Where would it stop?

How about leave the statues and monuments, and use the money it would take and put it into education or work programs?

Cheerios4606 · Guru

education programs about our history, both good AND BAD.

Ohfour · Hooker

They would have to destroy half of my town if they took down all the monuments and historical markers.

And I agree with Lily, do we rename streets and schools? We have a street not far from here named Lee Victory Pkwy. Lee Victory was the first mayor of Smyrna. There was a big protest a couple of years ago, wanting to rename the road because it was offensive. When it was explained that it was not named after Robert E. Lee, they said they didn't care. The name was offensive and most people didn't know the history.

You think taking down these statues is going to help one bit? Nope. I fear we are at the point of no return with these idiots.

FNW · Guru

I used to work on Stonewall Jackson Road. It was renamed TJ Jackson years ago. Not really sure why.

Lindley · Guru

Forever Sunshine wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
The Republicans should not have a dog in the fight of confederate statues. We just shouldn't. We didn't put them up, and we shouldn't care if they come down.
I'd beg to differ. I think we all should have a say in it. It's our history.

Yes the Republicans should be in the dogfight. They're coming for George Washington next.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Forever Sunshine wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
The Republicans should not have a dog in the fight of confederate statues. We just shouldn't. We didn't put them up, and we shouldn't care if they come down.
I'd beg to differ. I think we all should have a say in it. It's our history.

Do you really care about the losing side's monuments?

Whenitrains · Member

There is talk about changing school names in our area. One of the school was named after a family that had nothing to do with the Civil War or segregation. The family came over from Europe in the early 1900s. Yet because the name is the same as a Civil War General certain groups want it changed.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Well, that's ridiculous.

But, I also think, if they want them taken down and moved, they should make these groups put their money where their mouth is, and pay for it. That would probably shut a lot of it down.

Forever Sunshine · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Forever Sunshine wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
The Republicans should not have a dog in the fight of confederate statues. We just shouldn't. We didn't put them up, and we shouldn't care if they come down.
I'd beg to differ. I think we all should have a say in it. It's our history.
Do you really care about the losing side's monuments?

Yes, I do. It is our history. And if we cave in to this, when and where will it stop?

Forever Sunshine · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Well, that's ridiculous.

But, I also think, if they want them taken down and moved, they should make these groups put their money where their mouth is, and pay for it. That would probably shut a lot of it down.

I don't believe that. They'll pass the cost on to taxpayers or rob another program like SS to pay for it.

Ohfour · Hooker

I received an alert from my police department that there has been verified talk about burning down Carnton and destroying the Confederate Cemetery ronight. These are Civil War historical landmarks. Sgould they be done away with?

Ohfour · Hooker

Forever Sunshine wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Forever Sunshine wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
The Republicans should not have a dog in the fight of confederate statues. We just shouldn't. We didn't put them up, and we shouldn't care if they come down.
I'd beg to differ. I think we all should have a say in it. It's our history.
Do you really care about the losing side's monuments?
Yes, I do. It is our history. And if we cave in to this, when and where will it stop?

Xs 100!!!!!

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Ohfour wrote:
I received an alert from my police department that there has been verified talk about burning down Carnton and destroying the Confederate Cemetery ronight. These are Civil War historical landmarks. Sgould they be done away with?

OMG no!

Ohfour · Hooker

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
I received an alert from my police department that there has been verified talk about burning down Carnton and destroying the Confederate Cemetery ronight. These are Civil War historical landmarks. Sgould they be done away with?
OMG no!

Yes. I just talked to a Sergeant, he's worried....

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Ohfour wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
I received an alert from my police department that there has been verified talk about burning down Carnton and destroying the Confederate Cemetery ronight. These are Civil War historical landmarks. Sgould they be done away with?
OMG no!
Yes. I just talked to a Sergeant, he's worried....

I think we should go to that plantation pitch tents and lock and load. I am not kidding.

Forever Sunshine · Guru

Me, me, take me too!!!

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Forever Sunshine wrote:
Me, me, take me too!!!

Please come. This is the plantation o4 - g took us to over the 4th of July. It wasn't even a battle field. It was tranformed into a makeshift hospital that treated both conderate and Yankee soldiers. I am extremely upset it is being threatened.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Guess Fort Sumter should be demolished.

Came by a working or living museum of a cotton plantation, guess that should go.

Countless museums, monuments, and other civil war related things, guess they should all go.

Once we remove all traces of our history, we can find something else that offends and begin dismantling that.

burns07 · Guru

you're right about one thing only LL--this is not a republican issue--it is an american issue--this is our country, it is our history, it is our tradition--and, incidentally, the south wasn't beaten, they surrendered(rather a huge difference)--if you don't know much about appomattox(particularly the generals involved and what supremely honorable men they were)you should avail yourself of some of the literature

had family involved on both sides of the conflict--several of them were killed--others survived what grant blithely termed " reconstruction "--the war was never about slavery(despite lincoln's attempt with the proclamation to make it so)--in our own time, we have seen examples of " revisionist " history run amok, the lengths to which the agitators(or perpetrators, your choice)have been willing to go and the ultimate cost in human lives, let alone revered institutions/individuals--mao and his red guard started out precisely as the antifa
crowd are doing now and ultimately extinguished over 65 million lives in the process

that is not going to happen here--not while myself and others like me are alive and can do anything about it

these statues, these monuments were erected by our ancestors in memory and in honor of those who fought/who died in that war but also in rememberance of that time, that country, that world that we have come from

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I disagree. The Confederacy LOST. It is flat out stupid to re-fight the Civil War over monuments. But this is America. Vote. Each city should vote.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I am not from the South. I am a Yankee, lol . So, this really isn't my battle to fight one way or the other. If the Southern states choose to take them down, then fine. But, do it through the legal/political process. Make a motion and vote on it with elected representatives. Then, take them down if that is the vote. However, letting thugs come in and demand and smash things, no.
I'm a Yankee living in the south. Feel for me. I appreciate the southern history and culture, and unlike many, I understand that slavery was not the only reason for the civil war. But most people were not history majors, most people see the Confederate symbols as a longing for slavery to return or a reminder of a time when people were owned. I get the issue - I certainly hope all of us can agree slavery was wrong and it's better that it ended. And keeping statues as a reminder of it is just not worth dividing the country over.
Republicans, all of them, would be better off if they just stepped back and graciously agreed to take them down instead of fighting it.

This isn't about the Repos agreeing or disagreeing. These aren't federal monuments. Each state can do whatever it chooses. But, if there are bunch of thugs out there defacing statues, they should be arrested. Yes, do this thru the legislative process and remove them if that is voted on. Isn't that what is supposed to happen in this country? OR, are we going to just step back now for mob rule?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I'm not talking about the National Monuments, I'm talking about the ones sitting in town centers, etc. Where it is not a choice to go see it. Gettysburg is a destination - don't go if you don't want to see them. But if a city wants to take down theirs in squares, etc. I think they should.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I know. It's not the Repos who have to make the decisions to tear them down. It is the individual states. I already agreed with you that to go ahead and do this thru the legislative process. But, standing by while thugs deface and smash things, no.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

No. I agree with that completely. Trump should send out the National Guard if necessary.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Btw, there's no way Georgia could remove all theirs. There is one carved in the floor of the capital building.