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Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Five Men Claiming to be Transgender Women Will Compete as Females in Boston Marathon

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

This idiocy of the Left is going to destroy womens' sports and all the gains and strides women have made in sports.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Eh the usual Ethiopian runners will still win the race. But yes it's a shame that this unfair advantage is being allowed.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I will admit, I really don't care about this. It's a marathon. So what?

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

lilyofcourse wrote:
I will admit, I really don't care about this. It's a marathon. So what?

It's starting to occur in lots of sports. Guys competing as females. Wrestling, naskbasket, etc

FNW · Guru

Maybe they should have their own league/category, if there are so many.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

lilyofcourse wrote:
I will admit, I really don't care about this. It's a marathon. So what?

There are different categories of winners, a male winner, a female winner, etc.

Your brain does not change the biology of your body and women and men do not have the same physical strengths, in general. Competitive sports need to recognize that.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Equal rights, my arse. Women are being destroyed by the transgenders in all sports.

Liberals are waging the true war on women, IMHO.

Vette · Owl drink to that!

FNW wrote:
Maybe they should have their own league/category, if there are so many.

This gets my vote

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Still can't care.

Want to talk about people using the bathrooms and locker rooms of the opposite sex? That pings my radar. I don't agree with that.

The use of hormones in prepubescent children to alter natural growth? That pisses me off.

Not allowing a gender on birth certificate or any reference to gender, is just plain stupid.

Transgenders competing in sports? I'm really over it.

TrudyML · Guru

The Boston crowd will be over it, too. Hee, hee.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Still can't care.

Want to talk about people using the bathrooms and locker rooms of the opposite sex? That pings my radar. I don't agree with that.

The use of hormones in prepubescent children to alter natural growth? That pisses me off.

Not allowing a gender on birth certificate or any reference to gender, is just plain stupid.
Transgenders competing in sports? I'm really over it.

That's nice. But, Womens' sports are very important to some of us and women need to be able to compete as women.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

The easy answer is for ALL biological women to stop participating in competitive sports for a whole year. That will nip this crap right in the bud.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Still can't care.

Want to talk about people using the bathrooms and locker rooms of the opposite sex? That pings my radar. I don't agree with that.

The use of hormones in prepubescent children to alter natural growth? That pisses me off.

Not allowing a gender on birth certificate or any reference to gender, is just plain stupid.
Transgenders competing in sports? I'm really over it.

That's nice. But, Womens' sports are very important to some of us and women need to be able to compete as women.

Still not blowing up my skirt.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

just Czech wrote:
The easy answer is for ALL biological women to stop participating in competitive sports for a whole year. That will nip this crap right in the bud.

This.

Ohfour · Hooker

lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Still can't care.

Want to talk about people using the bathrooms and locker rooms of the opposite sex? That pings my radar. I don't agree with that.

The use of hormones in prepubescent children to alter natural growth? That pisses me off.

Not allowing a gender on birth certificate or any reference to gender, is just plain stupid.
Transgenders competing in sports? I'm really over it.

That's nice. But, Womens' sports are very important to some of us and women need to be able to compete as women.
Still not blowing up my skirt.

Gonna disagree with this. Biological males playing on girls basketball or volleyball teams? Not cool. Won't happen here, thank goodness...not for a very long time...last year, they let a girl in the football team. She lasted about a week. They about killed her...

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

A girl playing on a boys team might last briefly but with time and adolescence, there aren't a lot of girls that are going to move up the ranks and really be able to compete. That's just biology.
As a coach, i have coached coed elem bball at the Y. I really don't care for that. I prefer to coach only girls. When coaching boys teams the boys pretty much take over in short order. Not because they are doing anything wrong but because that is the nature of boys. When you watch these teams play, the boys will literally throw the ball over the head of a girl to another boy.
Now for a fun league, coed can work. But, if you really want to allow girls to reach their physical stride and sports excellence, it isn't going to happen on a coed team.
And, perhaps you don't find that important, but I do.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

All I'm saying, of all the transgender issues, this is on the bottom of my list.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Well, I didn't say it was the most important thing. But, it is one of the things that has an effect. I mean, if someone wants to transition, it's their life and they can do so. But, there are still biological realities.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Thing is, when someone begins the process, the hormones change the body.

Those who are men to women, lose muscle mass. The body changes.

Most who are in transition begin the process in adolescents or shortly after puberty.

This causes the body to not produce the body of a man.

So, really, unless they are drag queens or not actually transitioning, it isnt going to make much difference, if any.

There is a whole lot to transgender than just wearing clothes.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

They still are a biological male. That doesn't change. And, you dont' know what the levels are. And, the men have longer bone growth and muscle mass, etc and even in a "feminized" state of hormones are not on par biologically with biological women.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Not true.

Depending on when the hormones are started, the man will not grow, develop, or strengthen the way another not taking female hormones.

That is why I said that the use of hormones in prepubescent children pisses me off.

This is why I don't think the use of hormones, the implications of them, are fully understood and are dangerous.

And it's why I said that unless it's just a drag queen or not really transitioning, it isnt an issue.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Transgender Sports: Men and Women Have Physical Differences That No Surgery or Hormone Treatment Can Change

Kate Hall won the 100m sprint at regionals her sophomore year. But a year later, Hall was beat by Andraya Yearwood, a high school freshman. Yearwood was born male but “identifies” as female. At the time of the race, he had not undergone hormone treatment or surgery to “transition from male to female.”

More Than Testosterone
Much of the debate about “transgender” athletes has focused on testosterone. Consider the NCAA policy for such transgender athletes focuses only on testosterone. According to the NCAA’s policy for men transitioning to women:

A trans female [male transitioning to a female] student-athlete being treated with testosterone suppression medication for Gender Identity Disorder or gender dysphoria and/or Transsexualism, for the purposes of NCAA competition may continue to compete on a men’s team but may not compete on a women’s team without changing it to a mixed team status until completing one calendar year of testosterone suppression treatment. (NCAA Inclusion of Transgender Student-Athletes, 2011)

Notably, a trans male (female identifying as male) does not have to wait a year before competing on a men’s team.

Testosterone plays a big role in athletic performance. But when we start talking about high-performance competition, especially in track and field, small variations make all the difference. These go well beyond testosterone.

Hip Structure and Center of Mass
Some differences can’t be changed, even with surgery and hormone treatments.

One of the major differences between male and female runners is the hip structure along with everything attached to hip movement. It’s not just a matter of having wide or narrow hips. A key difference is the ratio between hip width and femur length. Women tend to have a greater hip width-to-femur length ratio, which leads to greater hip adduction — that is, movement toward the center of the body. This difference has a domino effect that results in small differences in joint rotation and muscle recruitment.

In other words, men and women differ in how the lower parts of their bodies move as a coordinated wholes.

Other Differences
Men also tend to have more fast-twitch muscles than women. According to experts this isn’t something that can change with training. Fast-twitch muscles are what you want for sprinting because they help you explode off the starting line. They also help produce the kind of “anaerobic” energy you need for sprinting . Slow-twitch muscles are good for conserving energy. They’re the kind of muscles you want in a distance race.

Doctors can change some things about the body. But they can’t “reformat” the body to become something else completely.

Men also tend to have larger internal organs. This sounds like a disadvantage for sprinters, but larger lungs and heart result in more oxygen uptake. The more oxygen you can take in, the more that can be transported to your muscles. VO2max measures an athlete’s maximum oxygen uptake. It’s higher in men than it is in women, even for men and women that have the same body mass and equivalent lean muscle mass. Biologically, men have a higher VO2max, all other things being equal.

As a result, men also tend to have a higher concentration of hemoglobin in their blood than women do. For athletes, that’s an advantage. This is why doping with EPO, a protein that increases your oxygen-carrying hemoglobin, is illegal in sports. A runner who is born male, therefore, has an advantage over most female athletes wanting to run a clean race.

The Body Can’t Be Completely “Reformatted”
Even with surgery, doping, and hormone treatment, you can’t change every piece of your body. The body functions as a cohesive whole. The skeletal system, the size of major internal organs, and one’s center of mass are all fundamental components of the body. We see this in athletes who use steroids. They often sustain injuries because steroids change muscle mass without changing the ligaments and tendons connected to the muscle.

Doctors can change some things about the body. But they can’t “reformat” the body to become something else completely. A biological male is going to have the fundamental structures of a male body. That’s an inherent advantage in many sports.

Subordinating Athletes Who are “Born Female”
Separating men and women in sports has opened the door for many opportunities for women.

Separating men and women in sports has opened the door for many opportunities for women. Title IX has allowed women athletes to attend college on a scholarship and compete at a high level. Women athletes have also served as role models to other women.

Consider some of the great female runners. Joan Benoit Samuelson took gold the first year the women’s marathon was part of the Olympics. Paula Radcliff holds the women’s marathon world record. Jackie Joyner Kersee holds the best heptathlon score and the second farthest women’s long-jump. Florence Griffith Joyner, considered the fastest woman of all time, ran the women’s 100m in 10.49 and the 200m in 21.34.

All these female athletes have made huge contributions to running. Yet even Florence Joyner’s times would not have qualified her for the men’s semi-finals. In fact, the top twenty-five fastest men in 100m have times under 10 seconds, beating Joyner’s time of 10.49.

Of course elite athletes are by definition outside the norm. But there’s something wrong when half of the population has an inherent disadvantage. If biological males can compete against biological females, it won’t be long, especially in elite sports, before males win all the races and hold all the records.

Women will, in effect, but pushed out of competition because they were born with female bodies. Does that make any sense? As Jeff Jacobs asks in his thoughtful article in the Hartford Courant, “What do we tell these girls? A transgender’s journey is more important than your journey?”

Kate Hall showed grace and maturity in the face of disappointment. But how many more young women will have to say what Hall said in response to her defeat, “It’s frustrating … but that’s just the way it is now”?

stream.org/transgender-athletes-biological-difference/

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Your article doesn't say what you think it does.

Again, I really can't find an ounce of care about this subject.

It matters to you. That's fine.

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

lilyofcourse wrote:
Not true.

Depending on when the hormones are started, the man will not grow, develop, or strengthen the way another not taking female hormones.

That is why I said that the use of hormones in prepubescent children pisses me off.

This is why I don't think the use of hormones, the implications of them, are fully understood and are dangerous.
And it's why I said that unless it's just a drag queen or not really transitioning, it isnt an issue.

Then they should be allowed in the ladies restroom, right?

FNW · Guru

They have "Special Olympics" for "special" needs people. Why not for Trans people? Or does this fall under the old "separate but equal" theory (Plessy vs. Ferguson case) which is considered discriminatory?

Really, all this blurring of gender lines makes my head hurt.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

For people that sports means a lot to, this is a big deal. I get some people don't care about sports, but this basically undermines all the work women have done to get their own leagues, etc.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Your article doesn't say what you think it does.

Again, I really can't find an ounce of care about this subject.

It matters to you. That's fine.

It says what want? So you are disputing the other biological diffetences? Taking a hormone feminizes some masculine characteristics but does turn a bio male into a bio female. The biology of me and women runs much deeper than a single chemical.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Southern_Belle wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Not true.

Depending on when the hormones are started, the man will not grow, develop, or strengthen the way another not taking female hormones.

That is why I said that the use of hormones in prepubescent children pisses me off.

This is why I don't think the use of hormones, the implications of them, are fully understood and are dangerous.
And it's why I said that unless it's just a drag queen or not really transitioning, it isnt an issue.
Then they should be allowed in the ladies restroom, right?

No. Apparently they are only the same for sports! lop

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Southern_Belle wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Not true.

Depending on when the hormones are started, the man will not grow, develop, or strengthen the way another not taking female hormones.

That is why I said that the use of hormones in prepubescent children pisses me off.

This is why I don't think the use of hormones, the implications of them, are fully understood and are dangerous.
And it's why I said that unless it's just a drag queen or not really transitioning, it isnt an issue.
Then they should be allowed in the ladies restroom, right?
No. Apparently they are only the same for sports! lop

Apparently!

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Southern_Belle wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Not true.

Depending on when the hormones are started, the man will not grow, develop, or strengthen the way another not taking female hormones.

That is why I said that the use of hormones in prepubescent children pisses me off.

This is why I don't think the use of hormones, the implications of them, are fully understood and are dangerous.
And it's why I said that unless it's just a drag queen or not really transitioning, it isnt an issue.
Then they should be allowed in the ladies restroom, right?

We interact with transgender people every day and we never take notice.

Because the truly transgender person is going on with their life as whomever they are just like you and me.

You've absolutely been in the bathroom with a man who identifies as a woman, and you never had a clue.

The problem is when a policy set up someone to be in a dangerous situation.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Look.

I was as adamant as anyone that there was a huge problem.

And, I will be honest, I still DO NOT agree with it all.

However, I have known people of all orientations all my life. All persuasions.

And the only ones who ever made me raise an eyebrow was the ones who just wanted arrention.

Now, I've only stated that this isn't a big deal to me.

And I've stated that I understand that it is to others.

I gave a list of a few things which I find, in my opinion, more important concerning transgender people.

It doesn't mean anyone else's list of what's important should be put behind my list.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Your article doesn't say what you think it does.

Again, I really can't find an ounce of care about this subject.

It matters to you. That's fine.

It says what want? So you are disputing the other biological diffetences? Taking a hormone feminizes some masculine characteristics but does turn a bio male into a bio female. The biology of me and women runs much deeper than a single chemical.

You realize the runner in your little article was not using hormones, right?

Therefore, they fall into the category of non hormonal female.

That is a caveat of the sport's rules that need to be addressed.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

They are biological MEN. Not " non hormonal female".

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

It's a question of fairness. There's a reason men and women don't usually compete against each other in sports.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
They are biological MEN. Not " non hormonal female".

I'm not going to do the research for you.

You don't grasp the difference. It's clear.

So to discuss the difference, and the implications of, is pointless.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lawyerlady wrote:
It's a question of fairness. There's a reason men and women don't usually compete against each other in sports.

Yes, you are correct.

However, there are those who can, fairly, compete.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
It's a question of fairness. There's a reason men and women don't usually compete against each other in sports.
Yes, you are correct.
However, there are those who can, fairly, compete.

No, they can't. If they are a BIO MALE, they are a BIO MALE. Not sure what is confusing about that.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Ok. Let's take this slowly.

When a male, generally between 12 to 16, starts taking hormones to alter his appearance from male to female, the body stops developing as a male would.

The bone stop growing as fact, and can become softer.

The muscles do not develop, and they will lessen in strength.

Body fat increases.

Basically, they become a hormonal female.

Then there are the increases in risk of disease, like cancer. The increased probability of broken bones. The development of mental disorders because of chemical imbalances.

But those risks are not talked about very much.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Ok. Let's take this slowly.

When a male, generally between 12 to 16, starts taking hormones to alter his appearance from male to female, the body stops developing as a male would.

The bone stop growing as fact, and can become softer.

The muscles do not develop, and they will lessen in strength.

Body fat increases.

Basically, they become a hormonal female.

Then there are the increases in risk of disease, like cancer. The increased probability of broken bones. The development of mental disorders because of chemical imbalances.

But those risks are not talked about very much.

Slowing growth doesn't STOP the growth. Causing SOME chemical alteration does not eliminate all vestiges of masculinity.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Ok. Let's take this slowly.

When a male, generally between 12 to 16, starts taking hormones to alter his appearance from male to female, the body stops developing as a male would.

The bone stop growing as fact, and can become softer.

The muscles do not develop, and they will lessen in strength.

Body fat increases.

Basically, they become a hormonal female.

Then there are the increases in risk of disease, like cancer. The increased probability of broken bones. The development of mental disorders because of chemical imbalances.

But those risks are not talked about very much.
Slowing growth doesn't STOP the growth. Causing SOME chemical alteration does not eliminate all vestiges of masculinity.

Again, you are wrong.

After taking female hormones for a number of years, the body is not that of a man.

The body will never return to its former state.

The damage is done.

Biologically, DNA, will say male.

However, the body, the structure and stature, are feminine.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

They are MALE, till death. The body is still MALE. Some features are chemically softened but that does not make them a female.

-- Edited by Lady Gaga Snerd on Wednesday 11th of April 2018 09:28:47 PM

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

However if u believe that then you should have no issues whatoever wih locker rooms, etc.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Again, and with feeling, you are not grasping what has been explained to you.

Goodnight.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Still can't care.

Want to talk about people using the bathrooms and locker rooms of the opposite sex? That pings my radar. I don't agree with that.

The use of hormones in prepubescent children to alter natural growth? That pisses me off.

Not allowing a gender on birth certificate or any reference to gender, is just plain stupid.
Transgenders competing in sports? I'm really over it.

You are arguing just to argue. You said yourself that you don't agree with using hormones in prepuscent children. Then, you are arguing that giving them hormones actually TURNS them into a female if you give them early. And, if that is what you believe then you can't be against them using the same bathroom or locker room. And, you want gender on the birth certificate but yet you are arguing that taking hormones turns a male into a female. You seem to be arguing with yourself.

FNW · Guru

I try not to think about transgenders. I just want it all to go away.

Ohfour · Hooker

My stepson (from my previous marriage) is, ahem, "trans". I think it's all for attention. He can't afford to take any hormones or do anything drastic, so he dresses like a girl, styles his hair like a girl, and wears a ****-ton of make-up. To me, it's like he's dressed up for Halloween. I don't consider him a girl...
But bless him, that's the least of his issues. He's had it pretty rough...

FNW · Guru

I know there are some that truly believe they are what they are not, but those whole "movement" thing is popularizing it to the point where kids are using it to get attention. That is not only sad, but demeans those who are truly.

Growing up, we had a neighbor who wore makeup and women's lingerie under his men's clothes. He always looked so sad. I used to wonder how his wife dealt with it.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

lilyofcourse wrote:
Ok. Let's take this slowly.

When a male, generally between 12 to 16, starts taking hormones to alter his appearance from male to female, the body stops developing as a male would.

The bone stop growing as fact, and can become softer.

The muscles do not develop, and they will lessen in strength.

Body fat increases.

Basically, they become a hormonal female.

Then there are the increases in risk of disease, like cancer. The increased probability of broken bones. The development of mental disorders because of chemical imbalances.

But those risks are not talked about very much.

No. They don't become female. They don't grow ovaries or a uterus. Females are not simply hormones.

Furthermore, even if you were correct - these transgenders did not start the hormones during puberty.

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Five Men Claiming to be Transgender Women Will Compete as Females in Boston Marathon

Boston Marathon officials have announced that men claiming to be transgender women, will be allowed to compete in the women’s category for this year’s race, reports say.

Boston, other marathons say trans women can compete as women