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At an hour when many people are tucking themselves in for the night, the cleaning crew at an Austin-area Target store is just getting started. By the time it finishes in the early morning, workers will have cleaned the bathrooms, taken out the garbage, washed windows and carpets and polished the floors to that reflective white sheen on which the Target Corporation prides itself.

One of those janitors — a 57-year-old Mexican immigrant who preferred to go by his nickname, “Chunco” — has worked for various contractors cleaning Target stores in Central Texas for about 12 years, despite lacking the legal right to work in the United States.

And he’s not alone: “All of the [cleaning] workers I’ve known were undocumented,” Chunco told The Texas Tribune, speaking in his native Spanish.

While his immigration status hasn’t posed a significant roadblock to his continued employment, it has exposed him to the risks that come with working in the shadows. He and his fellow custodians have repeatedly been paid less than minimum wage and worked six or seven days a week with no overtime pay, according to court records and Texas Tribune interviews. In some cases, they accumulated those overtime hours when Target managers would lock them in the store for extra tasks.

“We've realized that [employers] prefer us for being undocumented because we just keep our heads down to get jobs,” Chunco said. “[We] can't afford to complain. They take advantage of us being undocumented.”

What Chunco describes is a window into an expansive underground labor market in which illegal hiring is widespread, even among some of the biggest names in American business. Yet the risk of running afoul of immigration authorities is low. Employers skirt culpability by accepting fake documents that they are not legally required to verify, misclassifying workers as independent contractors or subcontracting to separate businesses that do the actual hiring — all while claiming they did what the law requires to verify their workers’ employment authorization.

It’s that “don’t ask, don’t tell” system that allows employers to benefit from cheap immigrant labor. The same shadows under which undocumented immigrants are hired can also obscure the further exploitation they often endure.

“The fact that they're in the shadows makes them vulnerable,” said Bill Beardall, executive director of the Equal Justice Center, a nonprofit law firm that represents low-wage workers in Texas.

And he would know: A large portion of the center’s cases involve unpaid and underpaid wages to immigrant workers. Two of its cases illustrate the nature of this abuse, and how brand-name employers attempt to distance themselves from such transgressions.

Locked in without pay-

Back in 2007 to 2008, the Equal Justice Center represented Chunco and 28 other janitorial workers in a lawsuit against Target and a contractor called Jim’s Maintenance for unpaid wages and overtime. According to publicly available court documents, Target’s lawyers asserted that the retailer was not a joint employer of the workers and thus not responsible for the wages that Jim’s Maintenance had failed to pay. Target instead claimed that the workers were employees solely of Jim’s Maintenance. 

To Beardall, the notion that these janitors were not jointly employed by Target was “preposterous.”

“It was the Target night managers,” he said, “who let [the workers] in the building and locked them [in], and told them what to do at night, and wouldn’t let them out in the morning until the Target manager had walked around the store with the crew and said, ‘I’ll let you out.’”

The list of undisputed facts culled from hours of deposition testimony from parties on both sides of the suit reveals the degree of control Target had over the janitors. Target managers decided when shifts would start and directly told the workers when they should come in, which was usually around 10 or 11 p.m. Shifts were typically scheduled to end at 7 or 8 a.m., but Target managers regularly held the workers past the scheduled quitting time. And to ensure Target’s strict cleaning standards were met, managers would frequently lock the workers in the store for the entirety of their shifts.

We've realized that [employers] prefer us for being undocumented because we just keep our heads down to get jobs. [We] can't afford to complain. They take advantage of us being undocumented.— Chunco, undocumented janitorial worker

Depositions from both sides also showed that the janitors often worked 60 or more hours each week, yet according to testimony, were never paid overtime. While Target kept records of the workers’ hours, Jim’s Maintenance did no such thing and instead tracked only days worked. The wages the workers did receive often came out well below minimum wage — in at least one case to the equivalent of $4.35 an hour.

In 2006, Target terminated its contract with Jim’s after an audit by Price Waterhouse Coopers found that Jim’s had improperly misclassified multiple workers as independent contractors and failed to keep required wage and hour records. Testimony from a Target official revealed that, even after receiving audit findings, Target did not take steps to report the violations to the proper authorities. Instead, it cut ties with Jim’s, giving the cleaning contractor just two days' notice.

The end of the contract put Jim’s out of business since, as Beardall put it, “Its only function in life was to clean stores for Target.” To make matters worse, Target decided to hold on to $496,000 in fees owed to Jim’s for its services for the entire month of May 2006. As a result, Jim’s couldn’t afford to give the workers their final paycheck.

For its part, Jim’s Maintenance acknowledged in briefs to the court that it did not pay workers the required overtime wages. The contractor contended, however, that it was merely a “labor recruiter” and “paymaster” rather than a joint employer and that Target was solely liable for the unpaid overtime, as it was the retailer who forced the workers to work long hours. The court ultimately rejected that argument, saying Jim’s was, in fact, an employer.

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The suit was eventually settled out of court, and Target never admitted any wrongdoing. An attorney who represented Jim's in the case did not respond to requests for comment. 

In an emailed response, a Target spokeswoman wrote that the lawsuit “dealt exclusively with wage and hour issues” and did not raise questions about the plaintiffs’ immigration status or that of anyone associated with Jim’s Maintenance.

“We can find no references in the court record that would indicate that Target knew that plaintiffs, nor any other people, were ‘undocumented,’” she wrote. “The issue instead was that their employer, Jim’s Maintenance, was failing to fulfill its obligations to keep proper records, including records of I-9 compliance. This failure to fulfill its contractual obligations ultimately contributed to Target’s decision to terminate its contract with Jim’s Maintenance.”

Court documents and a hearing transcript suggest the retailer’s lawyers may have suspected the workers were undocumented and intended to use their legal status against them in the suit.

Target’s lawyers sought to grill the workers in their depositions on matters related to their immigration status, specifically about the names and Social Security numbers the workers provided on their employment applications. They argued that if the workers had provided false information on their applications, it would speak to the credibility of their wage and hour complaints. But the Equal Justice Center filed a protective order to prohibit such questions, claiming it would have a “chilling effect” on the workers’ ability to enforce their legitimate wage rights. The judge agreed that the workers suing Target did not have to answer questions related to their immigration status.

“Employment rights apply equally to all workers, regardless of their immigration status,” Beardall said. “The problem is most undocumented workers don't know that, and employers may not know that. If they do know that, they will nevertheless use those workers' vulnerable immigration status to discourage them from enforcing their rights.”

Case of the fruit cutters

A similar case unfolded between 2012 and 2013 when workers who cut, bagged and stocked fruit at H-E-B grocery stores filed a class action lawsuit claiming that they had been cheated out of minimum wage and overtime pay.

The workers — mostly immigrants and women — worked at H-E-B through a contractor called Pastrana’s Produce, a company with offices in Brownsville and the Mexican border city of Matamoros. The lawsuit named both Pastrana’s and H-E-B as defendants, but the Texas grocer denied responsibility.

“They were trying to contend that women who were cutting up fruit and nopal in their store to be sold in the produce rack and paid for at the checkout counter, that those women were contractors not of H-E-B but of something called Pastrana’s Produce,” Beardall said.

In sworn affidavits, the produce workers claimed they routinely worked seven days a week, often for 50 hours or more, but weren’t compensated for overtime and did not receive an hourly wage. Instead, they were paid a set rate for each bag of produce that customers bought. That rate depended on the type of produce sold and tended to be so low that their paychecks never amounted to minimum wage.

They were trying to contend that women who were cutting up fruit and nopal in their store to be sold in the produce rack and paid for at the checkout counter, that those women were contractors not of H-E-B but of something called Pastrana’s Produce.— Bill Beardall. Equal Justice Center

One of the plaintiffs alleged that a manager at the H-E-B store on William Cannon Drive in Austin made her work in the cooler without any protective clothing — an allegation repeated by several others at different H-E-B locations.

To further exacerbate the problems, it seems the workers were discouraged from trying to recover their wages. According to the affidavits, some of the workers knew about a previous lawsuit between Pastrana’s fruit cutters and H-E-B but didn’t join at that time for fear of losing their jobs. They said a Pastrana’s supervisor told them the workers who did join would lose the suit as well as their jobs.

As in the Target case, lawyers from the Equal Justice Center argued that the workers were jointly employed by H-E-B and Pastrana’s because they were a vital part of H-E-B’s business. They worked only in stores owned by H-E-B and under supervision of H-E-B managers, who determined their work hours and daily production.

And also like the Target case, the dispute was settled out of court, with H-E-B maintaining that it was not a joint employer.

By the time of publication, H-E-B had not responded to questions regarding the case. And attorneys for both sides remained tight-lipped both about the terms of the settlement and the specifics of the workers’ immigration status — that is, whether they were authorized to work in the United States.

Michael Latimer, the lawyer who represented Pastrana’s, said the plaintiffs’ immigration status was never a question throughout the suit.

A woman who answered the door at the former addresses of one of the plaintiffs said she was a friend of the plaintiff and recalled him talking about his case against H-E-B. She also said he was undocumented.

The Texas Tribune was able to reach another plaintiff by phone, but when asked to verify whether the produce workers were undocumented, she hung up abruptly.

Elephant in the room

The cases are just two examples of how average citizens reap the fruits of unauthorized labor on a daily basis, even if they may not realize it. Undocumented workers toil away on towering construction projects and harvest crops in sunbaked fields. They prepare food behind kitchen doors and wash the dishes when the meal is done. They build homes, mow lawns and clean stores and office buildings.

While many decry the scourge of undocumented immigrants taking jobs from Americans, they rarely address their anger at the businesses that hire those immigrants, businesses whose low prices may depend on the low wages they pay.

“What you end up with when you have a group of workers who are relegated to a second-class status is it stimulates a race to the bottom where some employers, the unscrupulous employers, prefer to hire those workers precisely because they're exploitable,” Beardall said.

And so often, those exploitable workers are undocumented immigrants.

“It’s the elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about,” Beardall said, speaking generally. “We live in a society where we don’t really want to acknowledge that ... precisely because business depends on those workers.”

Chunco’s experience may attest to that dependence. For more than a decade, he has been on the payroll of a string of different companies contracted by Target to clean its stores.

“If a company doesn’t meet the requirements that Target demands, [Target] breaks ties [with that company] and another one comes in,” he said. “The next company comes in and asks Target if the workers are doing a good job. And if they say we’re doing an excellent job, we keep our jobs with the new company.”

So despite the lawsuit and dissolution of Jim’s Maintenance, Chunco is still buffing the same Target floors in the same Target buildings that he has for the last 12 years. And the disadvantages of working in the shadows haven’t quite disappeared: He said his schedule was cut to five hours per shift, but he’s still required to do all the work he used to do in eight or 10.

“When you've been here for a while, you learn that they do exploit you,” he said. “But we have to work.”

Jay Root and Elena Mejia Lutz contributed to this report.

This story is part of Tribune's yearlong Bordering on Insecurity project.



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Big companies abuse illegal immigrants all the time and underpay them because they know they can't complain. If they complain, they report them to ICE.



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When I was in the payroll business we recuired (yes the cue is not working on my keyboard) an I9 for every new employee a client hired, we did this to comply with the law. what happened to that?

Also when I contract with someone to work on my house, which I have done a lot, I make them sign a statement that all employees are working here legally. Yes I do that. I hold a Security Clearance and will not jeapodize that.

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I'm sure we have a ton of illegals in my town. They pick strawberries and tomatoes and clean all those Hilton head properties.

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Very unfair for legal citizens who are working low wage jobs to be subject to federal, state and local taxes versus illegally being paid under the table, even at a lesser wage.

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Very unfair for legal citizens who are working low wage jobs to be subject to federal, state and local taxes versus illegally being paid under the table, even at a lesser wage.


 Absolutely



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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

When I was in the payroll business we recuired (yes the cue is not working on my keyboard) an I9 for every new employee a client hired, we did this to comply with the law. what happened to that?

Also when I contract with someone to work on my house, which I have done a lot, I make them sign a statement that all employees are working here legally. Yes I do that. I hold a Security Clearance and will not jeapodize that.


 Well, companies like Target hire custodial companies and leave that to them, they don't check up on it and in some cases know but get to claim they don't.  And some companies accept docs they know are fake.



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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

When I was in the payroll business we recuired (yes the cue is not working on my keyboard) an I9 for every new employee a client hired, we did this to comply with the law. what happened to that?

Also when I contract with someone to work on my house, which I have done a lot, I make them sign a statement that all employees are working here legally. Yes I do that. I hold a Security Clearance and will not jeapodize that.


 Well, companies like Target hire custodial companies and leave that to them, they don't check up on it and in some cases know but get to claim they don't.  And some companies accept docs they know are fake.


 I know that is true today.  The issue is our Gov't is not checking on this crap witch is an OBOMination.



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Even Trump's companies did it. After he became president, Trump, Jr. cracked down on it, and then the sob stories came in about illegal immigrants that gave false documents being checked and fired from Trump companies.

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I'm surprised (and VERY disappointed)
that HEB is a party to this.



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I've worked with illegals.

One I am 100% was illegal because I worked with him in two separate sample companies 2 years apart.

Two totally different names, same person.

Look. I got no problem working with Hispanic people.

I'd rather work with them.

They always work hard, do an outstanding job, and they are generally kind and caring.

But I want legally employable people.



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And that's the joke, right? Around here, people say if you actually want the work done - hire the Mexicans. They work hard.

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Well, it isnt just Mexicans. The Amish around here easily undercut local contractors. A lot of them get paid under the table. They do a lot of cash work which they don't declare. We have set up to many different rules for different people. A lot of them are not vaccinated or undervaccinated. So, they want to pick on a few people who want to refuse the HPV vaccine or other optional vaccines as "anti vaxxers" but ignore entire populations of illegals or the Amish, etc who are allowed to operate under their own rules.



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And that's the joke, right? Around here, people say if you actually want the work done - hire the Mexicans. They work hard.


 The ones I've known, yes, they do.

I will have a Mexican grandbaby someday, Jesse's fiancé is from Mexico, her family moved here legally when she was in 3rd grade. 

I love her to death, and I enjoy learning more about her culture and traditions. 

The immigrants are not bad people, it's the illegal entering I have a problem with.



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Oh, the food, lily. Can she (or her mother) cook? I had a former Mexican MIL who was fantastic. Over 30 years later I still miss her cooking.

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Oh, the food, lily. Can she (or her mother) cook? I had a former Mexican MIL who was fantastic. Over 30 years later I still miss her cooking.


 She is learning.

I have friends who can, though! 

Only they moved and I miss the food.

Them, too.

But the food, it'll make you cry it's so good.

 



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Well, it isnt just Mexicans. The Amish around here easily undercut local contractors. A lot of them get paid under the table. They do a lot of cash work which they don't declare. We have set up to many different rules for different people. A lot of them are not vaccinated or undervaccinated. So, they want to pick on a few people who want to refuse the HPV vaccine or other optional vaccines as "anti vaxxers" but ignore entire populations of illegals or the Amish, etc who are allowed to operate under their own rules.



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 The new rules (at least here) have the exemption for religious reasons.



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I'm am 100% in favor of a parent making the choice not to vaccinate. That is their right.

But.

Choices have consequences.

There are those who can not be vaccinated.

And the unvaccinated are both the cause and the concern.

The ban in public places is to help stop the spread of measles among the unvaccinated. 

 



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And, how is that going to work in reality? What is the process and procedure to ensure that?

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LGS.

I don't know.

I'm sure the places where this is taking affect have something in mind.

There is a town in Colorado doing this, and will impose fines on the parent if found to be in violation. 

I don't know how it will work.

Why don't you do a little research?

 

It's an honor system mostly. 

 



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LGS.

I don't know.

I'm sure the places where this is taking affect have something in mind.

There is a town in Colorado doing this, and will impose fines on the parent if found to be in violation. 

I don't know how it will work.

Why don't you do a little research?

 

It's an honor system mostly. 

 


 Well, why isn't it known how the procedure and process will work?  Oh, because govt likes to pretend they are actually taking measures when they really are not.  If there is no process in place then there is no "ban" so it's a sham and pretense.  If they want to REQUEST that unvaccinated people stay away, then fine.  But, if there is no real effort made to ensure this "ban" then it is in effect, NOTHING.  So, if you wish to fall for that kind of govt baloney, that's nice.  Maybe it makes people feel good or safe on some level when in reality nothing is going to change at all. And, that is the worst kind of govt.



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BTW, it is the job of govt to be transparent and to tell the public how things work. Since you brought up the topic, then I suggest you provide the research that supports why you think this will have any effect at all.

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On this thread, the subject was illegal immigration.

Not the ban of the unvaccinated in public places, that was another thread.



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On this thread, the subject was illegal immigration.

Not the ban of the unvaccinated in public places, that was another thread.


 I know.  I responded to your post about it and quoted you.  



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lilyofcourse wrote:

On this thread, the subject was illegal immigration.

Not the ban of the unvaccinated in public places, that was another thread.


 I know.  I responded to your post about it and quoted you.  


 You brought up antivaxxers in your rant about the Amish.

Who, by the way, are legal Americans. 

 



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No kidding.  Making a point about some laws applying to some and not others. Be it taxes or vaxxes.



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Are you stoned?



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No. Are you going to be rude now? Wow.

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You are not making any sense.



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Can you two take this out of the geek Table? I hate the snooty fighting. You are both sounding like Flan.

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Sorry.

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