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Texas dept.: 2nd person tests positive for Ebola

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A member of the CG Environmental HazMat team disinfects the entrance to the residence of a health worker at the Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital who has contracted Ebola in Dallas, Texas, October 12, 2014. © Jaime R. Carrero /REUTERS A member of the CG Environmental HazMat team disinfects the entrance to the residence of a health worker at the Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital who has contracted Ebola in…

DALLAS — A second health care worker at a Dallas hospital who provided care for the first Ebola patient diagnosed in the U.S. has tested positive for the disease, the Texas Department of State Health Services said Wednesday.

The department said in the statement emailed early Wednesday and posted on its website that the worker reported a fever Tuesday and was immediate isolated at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital.

Health officials said the worker was among those who took care of Thomas Eric Duncan after he was diagnosed with Ebola. Duncan died on Wednesday at the Texas hospital of Ebola.

The department said a preliminary Ebola test was conducted late Tuesday at a state public health laboratory in Austin, Texas, and that confirmatory testing would be conducted at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta.

A metal barrel containing contaminated belongings of a health worker at the Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital who has contracted Ebola is in front of the health worker's residence in Dallas, Texas, October 12, 2014. The infected worker, identified as a woman but not named by authorities, is believed to be the first person to contract the disease in the United States. © REUTERS/Jaime R. Carrero

The statement also said the health care worker, who wasn't identified, was interviewed to quickly identify any contacts or potential exposures and that others will be monitored. It added that the type of monitoring will depend on the nature of their interactions with the health care worker and the potential of exposure to the virus.

Officials have said they don't know how the first health worker, a nurse, became infected. But the second case pointed to lapses beyond how one individual may have donned and removed personal protective garb

 

 



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Oh well, it is soooo hard to get that the Health care worker obviously did something wrong.

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I don't care if the health care workers feel blamed or whatever. This is not a cold. This is Ebola.

We NEED to know what happened that caused transmission. Is it something that can be changed? Human error? Defect in the suits? Procedure?

Finding out how this is being spread is the most important thing to know at this point. Since it is healthcare workers being infected, they are the exact ones to ask what they did and start from there.

The time for PC is OVER. Stop this from getting out of hand NOW!

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Well, the healthcare workers are not given hazmat suits with respirators. Just gowns, gloves and masks. Why aren't they being given the PROPER equipment? I hope they file a class action lawsuit on the hospital who has a responsibility to give their employers the proper personal protective equipment.

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Well, the healthcare workers are not given hazmat suits with respirators. Just gowns, gloves and masks. Why aren't they being given the PROPER equipment? I hope they file a class action lawsuit on the hospital who has a responsibility to give their employers the proper personal protective equipment.

 That's not true.  The first nurse was in complete hazmat gear.



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No, that isn't what I heard. Show me a link that confirms that.

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Hospitals do NOT have Hazmat suits readily available. They have gowns, gloves, and masks. If you are lucky, you might be able to find a an N 95 mask that are used for TB patients, but even if you use them, you are supposed to be Fit tested prior to putting one on. This is NOT done on a wide scale in hospitals.

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The reports I have seen said the workers had gloves, gowns, masks and shields.

And this is exactly WHY they are being questioned the procedures are being questioned. So they make the needed adjustments going forward.

It isn't about blaming. It is about becoming smarter and doing the right thing better.

Rail all you want about the blaming crap. I don't give a rat's patootie about that. Find out what needs to change and change it so Texas doesn't become Liberia.

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They keep showing HAZMAT teams. Hospitals are not equipped with Hazmat gear. Which is ridiculous when you think about it. But yes, they need to ERR on the side of caution.

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Well, I watched the Ebola All The Time News yesterday and they interviewed her friend that was with her and she corrected the information. She said that Nina Pham was in full hazmat gear as were the other workers.

The idea that hospitals dont have that is incorrect as well. From personal experience, hospitals absolutely have hazmat gear.

So yeah, be alarmed but dont make stuff up or assume you know what is happening.

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HOSPITALS HAVE HAZMAT!!!! Geez. Not all, but large hospitals in big cities have hazmat equipment.

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Not true.



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Ok, maybe your hospital. But this hospital has hazmat. It just does. Get all pissy and defensive or admit you might be wrong. Either way, there is hazmat in that hospital, in phoenix hospitls, in chicago hospitals etc. Maybe not in hospitals serving less than a population of 10,000 but metro hospitals have ****ing hazmat.

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You still havent' provided a LINK that factually tells that this nurse was wearing Hazmat gear.

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"It just does" is not a link. Merely your opinion.

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I'm not wasting one onf my three links on this. However, a quick google on Nina Pham hazmat gear, brings up mo less than 6 articles supporting my claim.

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When I recently called for the resignation of CDC director, Dr. Tom Frieden, some of you may have thought I went too far. And yet here we are, facing startling claims that the Dallas medical staff who responded to the first patient diagnosed with Ebola in the United States – including a nurse who is now hospitalized with the virus – had limited protocols in place.

America, if you weren’t worried by Frieden’s inadequacy before, you should be now.










The National Nurses United organization spoke out on behalf of nursing staff at Texas Health Presbyterian Dallas who said they were in the hospital when Liberian national Thomas Eric Duncan arrived exhibiting Ebola symptoms. The nurses administering the shocking claims about the government's failure to issue proper guidelines and training elected to remain anonymous due to concerns about losing their jobs.

Allow me first to start with what might be seen as a minor oversight under different circumstances, that unfortunately now has dire implications. The nurses claim they were not mandated to attend Ebola virus training seminars; rather the seminars were treated like any other. And due to CDC guidelines that “have been changed several times,” the nurses were allegedly told by hospital staff to choose which guidelines they wanted to follow.

All along, we have heard Frieden claim that any hospital in the U.S. is prepared to handle Ebola, and yet when Duncan returned to the hospital by ambulance after initially being sent home with an elevated temperature, the staff failed to isolate him until a nursing supervisor demanded he be isolated. According to the nurses’ claims, Duncan was kept for “several hours” where other patients were present.

How these shortcomings will eventually play out, we cannot know for sure. What we do know, is that Nina Pham, a 26-year-old nurse who treated Duncan up until his death is battling Ebola after contracting the virus. Frieden initially referred to her infection as the result of a “breach in protocol,” which according to the National Nurses Organization could have been a number of factors, starting with Freiden.

According to the nurses, isolation suits were not available when Duncan was admitted to the hospital. The nurses said they wore generic gowns, three pairs of gloves, surgical masks, and were given face shields, which supervisors said were optional. The nurses claim their necks were exposed and they were not provided with surgical booties.

Does that sound like proper protection or protocol for a virus that can be transmitted through blood and other bodily fluids? Even more shocking, the nurses claim that proper protection was not available until at least three days later, even after Frieden’s CDC officials visited the hospital.

I have been very vocal about my lack of confidence in Frieden’s ability to handle Ebola in the U.S. before, but it is important to recognize that I am not alone. A recent SERMO poll of my physician colleagues found more than half of them do not believe Frieden is capable of properly tracking Ebola contacts in the U.S. Further, the poll found 52 percent are either self-educating or speaking to their peers – not being instructed by the CDC – on how to prepare for a possible Ebola patient.

So while you may have doubted my initial calls for Frieden to resign, I’ll ask you in light of these new revelations to reconsider. Ebola is in the U.S., and Frieden is late to the game. Any breach of protocol in Ebola response should be seen as a failure to perform by Frieden’s CDC, and we should actively be searching for his replacement.



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This: ""According to the nurses, isolation suits were not available when Duncan was admitted to the hospital. The nurses said they wore generic gowns, three pairs of gloves, surgical masks, and were given face shields, which supervisors said were optional. The nurses claim their necks were exposed and they were not provided with surgical booties.""



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Sooo, that is NOT Hazmat gear with a Respirator. Sheesh.

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Okay, then...

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You don't seem to understand the difference between Hazmat gear and personal protective equipment or isolation precautions. A Hazmat suit has a built in respirator so that you are not breathing in any outside airborne viruses . Personal protective equipment are things like gloves, gowns and traditional OR style type masks. HUGE difference. I think you need to educate yourself so that you understand this and that she was NOT wearing Hazmat gear and SHOULD have been provided with Hazmat gear by the hospital.

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Right now, ALL but four hospitals in the USA are seriously lacking in proper protective gear for highly contagious diseases. DUH!!!
You all need to visit your local clinic and see all the posters going up, as mandated by the CDC.
Talking about scaring the **** out of people..

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I live just north of Dallas. People are freaking the eff out. It's all Ebola all the time, every radio station and tv channel.
I have to say that I am a bit worried. It seems that this strain is more contagious that others. They keep insisting that it is not, but it is spreading nonetheless.

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I dont understand how the person sharing a bed with him didnt get it but 2 healthcare people did. THAT is interesting in my opinion.

We know flushing with the lid up causes fecal mist, still, no one in that house is infected. So weird. And they didn't have any gear or protection.

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I dont understand how the person sharing a bed with him didnt get it but 2 healthcare people did. THAT is interesting in my opinion.

We know flushing with the lid up causes fecal mist, still, no one in that house is infected. So weird. And they didn't have any gear or protection.

 You don't know that, yet.  The incubation period can be up to 21 days.



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I dont understand how the person sharing a bed with him didnt get it but 2 healthcare people did. THAT is interesting in my opinion.

We know flushing with the lid up causes fecal mist, still, no one in that house is infected. So weird. And they didn't have any gear or protection.

 You don't know that, yet.  The incubation period can be up to 21 days.

 Once again....wow.

So anyway, the people who lived with him havent shown symptoms but healthcare workers have.

See?  I changed it to showing symptoms.  

My curiosity is still intact regardless.



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I dont understand how the person sharing a bed with him didnt get it but 2 healthcare people did. THAT is interesting in my opinion.

We know flushing with the lid up causes fecal mist, still, no one in that house is infected. So weird. And they didn't have any gear or protection.

 You don't know that, yet.  The incubation period can be up to 21 days.

 Once again....wow.

So anyway, the people who lived with him havent shown symptoms but healthcare workers have.

See?  I changed it to showing symptoms.  

My curiosity is still intact regardless.

 I would think the healthcare workers had more direct contact with his bodily fluids.  IF the family gets it later, maybe depending on how the transmission happened determines how fast you show symptoms.  He threw up outside the apartment - who cleaned that up?



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I'm not wasting one onf my three links on this. However, a quick google on Nina Pham hazmat gear, brings up mo less than 6 articles supporting my claim.

 The link does not count as copying an article.



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And what exactly is "wow"?

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Wouldn't you think we would rather err on being too cautious than not cautious enough?

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This: ""According to the nurses, isolation suits were not available when Duncan was admitted to the hospital. The nurses said they wore generic gowns, three pairs of gloves, surgical masks, and were given face shields, which supervisors said were optional. The nurses claim their necks were exposed and they were not provided with surgical booties.""

This is the FIRST in America. They were not prepared or trained properly. Yes it is terrible that these two nurses are seemingly being blamed.

BUT the hospital, CDC and anyone else NEEDS this information.

Again. I don't care if they feel persecuted. This is not something to play with. In this situation, their feelings on the matter isn't important. The over all public health is what is important.



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Holy cow! That nurse was on a plane the day before testing positive!!!! How irresponsible is that?!?!

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I think it's ridiculous to crucify the nurses over this. They were not prepared, which is NOT their fault, and so many down-played the danger of ebola and how easy it is to catch it.

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Holy cow! That nurse was on a plane the day before testing positive!!!! How irresponsible is that?!?!

 About as irresponsible as letting someone in the country from Liberia in the first place.

 

Are people still over-reacting as to how easy this could spread?



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I dont understand how the person sharing a bed with him didnt get it but 2 healthcare people did. THAT is interesting in my opinion.

We know flushing with the lid up causes fecal mist, still, no one in that house is infected. So weird. And they didn't have any gear or protection.

 Because  the nature of viruses is that they don't necessarily infect every single person.  But, just because their family has not showed it yet , doesn't mean they will.  But, there are still some people who didn't get the bubonic plague either but that does not mean it wasn't deadly to the population.  It might not seem so benign if kids contract it and start dying. 



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I don't think it is crucifying. I think it is smart to ask questions and know what went wrong.

And I don't understand why people are not quarantined BEFORE showing symptoms.

Like this recent nurse. Everyone she has been in contact with need to be confined to their homes for 21 days.

Would it be inconvenient? Yes. Does that matter? Not to me.



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Convenience shouldn't matter. We have a right as a society to ensure the safety of the general population. And, if you get it, then you will need to be quarantined.

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I think if you are in contact with someone who is tested positive, you should be quarantined immediately. Not wait until you show signs or symptoms.


Here is what I concerned about.

It is the beginning of flu season. I worry that those with it will assume it is the flu and not seek treatment right away.

Or

Those who think they have it will go to the doctor and there will be an over reaction and people will become leery of going to the doctor.

Or

There will be so many cry wolf that when it is for real it wont be believed right a way.

Can we stop people from coming in and out of Dallas? That seems impossible.

We could have stopped anyone from coming in from Liberia and we failed.



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They're transporting an ebolla patient to Atlanta.

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Great. Just great.



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The patient is being moved to Emory University Hospital.

Midtown Atlanta.

It is a teaching school. So lots and lots of potential to possibly spread this with learning doctors and nurses. Not saying anything bad about these students but they are students and students will make mistakes.

OK. Now this is in MY back yard.

This is not going to be an over and done thing.

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This still isnt worrying me. Now, if some politicians, religious leaders and celebrities start kickin off, you'll have my attention.

Btw - Arizona had a first grader pass away from a respiratory illness this morning. Parents are freaking the **** out and pulling their kids from school.



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The fact that she FLEW ON A PLANE, knowing she had been exposed. They are scrambling to find the passengers to have them tested. And if the plane flew after she did (most certainly), then all of THOSE people have to be tested too.

She needs to be held accountable...

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The fact that she FLEW ON A PLANE, knowing she had been exposed. They are scrambling to find the passengers to have them tested. And if the plane flew after she did (most certainly), then all of THOSE people have to be tested too.

She needs to be held accountable...

But she didn't know she had ebola when she took that flight. Just because she worked as a nurse with an ebola patient, in full protective gear, doesn't mean she KNEW she had contracted the disease. She thought she had been protected by the gear. 



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From what I am hearing the 2nd nurse took this trip before the first showed any symptoms.

The second nurse was following protocol. Taking her temp and she reported it when she had one.

That's the thing. These are reactionary measures, not proactive. We need to be proactive.

And I am not going to panic and keep us all at home. Not yet anyway. But it is kind of ticking me off that it doesn't seem to be being taken seriously enough.

And that respiratory infection is scary too. Within hours a child is not breathing properly and in critical condition. One of the kids that died was just 4. His mom put him to bed with what she thought was a simple snotty nose. He was dead in the morning.

That would scare me.



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The fact that she FLEW ON A PLANE, knowing she had been exposed. They are scrambling to find the passengers to have them tested. And if the plane flew after she did (most certainly), then all of THOSE people have to be tested too.

She needs to be held accountable...

But she didn't know she had ebola when she took that flight. Just because she worked as a nurse with an ebola patient, in full protective gear, doesn't mean she KNEW she had contracted the disease. She thought she had been protected by the gear. 

 If I had been directly exposed to Ebola and I knew that one of my co-workers had definitely been diagnosed, then yeah, I wouldn't be getting on a plane.  That is selfish and irresponsible and she probably should have her license revoked...



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O4, according to reports this one traveled BEFORE the nurse showed any symptoms.

 

BUT it does beg the question as to why those who work with these patients are not tested at least every other day? Wouldn't it show in the blood before the symptoms start? If caught that early, containment could be a whole lot easier to manage.



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The fact that she FLEW ON A PLANE, knowing she had been exposed. They are scrambling to find the passengers to have them tested. And if the plane flew after she did (most certainly), then all of THOSE people have to be tested too.

She needs to be held accountable...

But she didn't know she had ebola when she took that flight. Just because she worked as a nurse with an ebola patient, in full protective gear, doesn't mean she KNEW she had contracted the disease. She thought she had been protected by the gear. 

 If I had been directly exposed to Ebola and I knew that one of my co-workers had definitely been diagnosed, then yeah, I wouldn't be getting on a plane.  That is selfish and irresponsible and she probably should have her license revoked...

She was not quarantined, did not have a travel ban, or anything else against her. CDC is telling staff to not live in fear, she believed them. One case does not mean everyone is going to contract the disease, especially when they think protocol was breached for the initial infection. A person (nurse) believes they have done everything right. Looks like they will get crucified now and a lot of nurse's will be turning in their licenses soon. I've already heard it in the gossip amongst fellow nurses.

The health care system will crumble without nurses.  



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lilyofcourse wrote:

O4, according to reports this one traveled BEFORE the nurse showed any symptoms.

 

BUT it does beg the question as to why those who work with these patients are not tested at least every other day? Wouldn't it show in the blood before the symptoms start? If caught that early, containment could be a whole lot easier to manage.



-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Wednesday 15th of October 2014 02:01:13 PM

 Nope.  The first nurse was diagnosed on Friday 10/11.  The second nurse flew on Monday 10/13.  No way did she not know.  She put everyone at risk. I hope she loses her license...



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Czech, I hope not. Those nurses are heros.

They're talking about the "copious" amount of fluids that nurses deal with while caring for ebola patients. Ugh.


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