TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Oh, a yearly course is somehow going to make Mrs. Smith gun ready during a major crisis? She will just drop her chalk and go? Uh huh. If you are sooooo smart Lilly, then go run for the School Board and try to do exactly what you propose.

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You are being ridiculous.  NO ONE is saying to arm every teacher--or force teachers to carry weapons.

We are saying you take a couple of teachers who are ALREADY armed and trained and allow them to keep a gun at school.  No one but they and the administration even need to know about it.  

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Um, my job right now is to focus on my school. But, go ahead. Publish the Training requirements of other states. I would love to see it.

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I couldn't find a site with all states on it--but a quick online search shows that the vast majority of states do require training.  

huskerbb wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Um, my job right now is to focus on my school. But, go ahead. Publish the Training requirements of other states. I would love to see it.

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I couldn't find a site with all states on it--but a quick online search shows that the vast majority of states do require training.  

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And, that training involves dealing with an Active Shooter in a School?  Correct? 

huskerbb wrote:

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Also, it's NOT about being "responsible for armed security", either. That's a BULLSH!T statement.

MOST schools--by FAR the vast majority do NOT NEED armed security on a daily basis.

This is about a teacher being able to do something quickly in the HIGHLY UNLIKELY event that there is an active shooter in any one school.

You are making up a bunch of nonsense that has nothing to do with anything.

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Your ignorance astounds me! 

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Also, it's NOT about being "responsible for armed security", either. That's a BULLSH!T statement.

MOST schools--by FAR the vast majority do NOT NEED armed security on a daily basis.

This is about a teacher being able to do something quickly in the HIGHLY UNLIKELY event that there is an active shooter in any one school.

You are making up a bunch of nonsense that has nothing to do with anything.

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Your ignorance astounds me! 

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You are the one who is wholly ignorant on this subject.  You can't even stick to what people post.  You want to talk about irrelevant tangents that have nothing to do with anything.   

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Again, do I need to S P E L L it OUT? They operate under a CONTRACT. You cannot put them in charge of armed security as one of their duties unless you put that in the CONTRACT. Wow.

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THEY ARE NOT IN CHARGE OF ARMED SECURITY.  

 

 

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YOU CANNOT GIVE TEACHERS DUTIES THAT ARE NOT SPELLED OUT IN THE CONTRACT. 

lilyofcourse wrote:

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If I were to get on the school board would that make me a talking head like the rest of them?

Point is. There are options. One of which is to put guns in the schools. Teachers carrying guns is not the end of the world.

Could be a great defense.

And before you go talking about tazers, the person carrying the tazer has to be within a certain distance to be effective. You really think they are going to walk right up and tase the dude?

I think new schools being built are making an effort to make escape an viable option. I know the ones around here are.

And the older building are slowly being remolded and are taking measures to make their students safer.

Yes. It takes money. A ball team may have to do without a new uniform or something more to pay for it. But I don't have a problem with training and keeping up with requirements to help remove those layers you keep talking about.

Thankfully, my kids are about out of school and hopefully it will be a nice long time before I have to deal with the school crap again.

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Of course it's an option.  SOME SCHOOLS have already done it--and haven't had to do any of the nonsense she's talking about. 

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Again, do I need to S P E L L it OUT? They operate under a CONTRACT. You cannot put them in charge of armed security as one of their duties unless you put that in the CONTRACT. Wow.

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THEY ARE NOT IN CHARGE OF ARMED SECURITY.  

 

 

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YOU CANNOT GIVE TEACHERS DUTIES THAT ARE NOT SPELLED OUT IN THE CONTRACT. 

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You won't be.  NO ONE is "giving" them anything.  You are allowing a couple of teachers who WANT TO carry a weapon to school--just like they carry one most everywhere else.   

lilyofcourse wrote:

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If I were to get on the school board would that make me a talking head like the rest of them?

Point is. There are options. One of which is to put guns in the schools. Teachers carrying guns is not the end of the world.

Could be a great defense.

And before you go talking about tazers, the person carrying the tazer has to be within a certain distance to be effective. You really think they are going to walk right up and tase the dude?

I think new schools being built are making an effort to make escape an viable option. I know the ones around here are.

And the older building are slowly being remolded and are taking measures to make their students safer.

Yes. It takes money. A ball team may have to do without a new uniform or something more to pay for it. But I don't have a problem with training and keeping up with requirements to help remove those layers you keep talking about.

Thankfully, my kids are about out of school and hopefully it will be a nice long time before I have to deal with the school crap again.

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You can't read either.  I am not sure why you have to frame everything as "the end of the world" if someone disagrees with you.  We have a Safety and Security committee and are making plans everyday on how to deal with multiple threats.  So far, there hasn't been a SINGLE parent that has proposed that teachers carry guns.  There hasn't been a SINGLE teacher that has proposed doing so.  There hasn't been a School Administrator, nor EMS, nor the Chief of Police who are all involved who have even proposed going in that direction.  The Board has had sessions to hear any and all ideas.  This has not been proposed by ANYONE on any level.  And, parents on the street from what I have heard do not want their children's teachers carrying guns around in the classrooms.  There is nothing to stop YOU or HUSKER to go to a meeting and propose that.  And, if you want to do that in your town, then fine, go ahead and do it. I personally would have reservations about sending my child to a school where there was a gun in the classroom.  And, yeah, Admin could give me all the assurances in the world that the guns are secured, blah, blah but I have heard a lot of "assurances" about all kinds of things.  So, if you think that is the direction for your school, then nothing is stopping you from doing so.  And, there are a few districts where this is happening.

  I however do not support that.  I dont' believe that is the best approach.  That is my opinion.  If you don't agree, then go be proactive where you are at.  Some people don't even want Armed Security of any type.  I think the fact that schools are a gun free zone makes them an easy target.  So, of course I support armed security.

  Your argument is like saying that in a courtroom, the lawyers, judges and all of the spectators should have guns.  Well, they are not allowed too, but there is armed security presence.  I support armed security.  But, I dont' support having every random person teacher or otherwise in possession of a gun at school. 

lilyofcourse wrote:

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There is a lot of things that are not in the contracts.

A new contract is not hard to come up with.

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LMAO!!!!!    

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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If you don't think the Teachers' Union is going to have a lot to say about this type of proposal, you are mistaken.

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Hasn't been an issue for the schools who have done it.  You are just making stuff up.   

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OH, OK.  I am only on the Negotiations Committee.  What the heck do I know?    

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Not nearly as much as you think, apparently.  This would NOT have to be an assigned duty.  You aren't telling anyone they have to do it.

Other schools have done it.   

lilyofcourse wrote:

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I am not going to continue to try to have a discussion with you here. You obviously are not capable of understanding basic English. I don't know what you are talking about saying "I am not sure why you have to frame everything as "the end of the world" if someone disagrees with you." You are the one having a problem with my not agreeing with you.

I have offered an option. A couple of them. You have stayed on one idea.

Yeah. You are a school board member.

Have a great day.

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What "one idea" have I stayed on?  YOU have only offered ONE idea.  Having the teachers carry guns.  That is the ONLY idea you have offered.  I have proposed armed security in various forms.  Retired police officers, trained security guards.  I also am not opposed to considering that the Principal have access to a taser.  I also am looking into various ways to continue to secure the school.  From door jams that you can use to quickly lock a door to withstand 1100lbs of force to, ID badge scanning, metal detectors and wands and on and on.  Including recent drills that we have undertaken.  It is a multifaceted problem which requires a multifaceted approach but in your mind, just let the teachers have guns in their pockets and that somehow solves all the problems.   All the while neglecting their level of training, what about inspecting their weapons, is any handgun fine of any caliber?  How will these guns be secured in the classroom so that the kids don't have access?   Are they going to be locked?  Will the teacher wear a holster?  You cant just have a "Bring your Gun to school day" and just assume all of those things are sorted out.    What about the School Solicitor?  What are the legal implications?  There are many things that need to happen.  But, yeah, maybe some schools have done all of that.  And, maybe some of them didn't and will be in a for a big surprise as well when a gun is mishandled.   

lilyofcourse wrote:

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Well you need to get rid of the union. We don't have a union here. No need.

There is no need for a union unless you work in a mine.

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Yes, and teachers flock to the North.  We just recently hired some dang fine teachers from the South who have great experience and multiple degrees and training.  We were absolutely thrilled to hire them and have them be part of our district.   

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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We just landed an awesome Assistant Principal who has been working in the Carolinas. Her school had NO BOOKS because there was no funding. She made books for the kids herself using supplemental materials from the library and online, etc. And, she has multiple degrees and she showed she can do a lot with very little. She is going to be great addition to our school for sure!

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flan

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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I still don't understand the problem here. I understand that SOME police departments can't spare men for duty at schools. But what about all the retired policemen who are looking to make some extra money? I'm sure SOME of them would be interested in the job. My BIL is ex military. When he came home he had the worst trouble finding a job. He wanted to go into the Navy SEALS and passed the physical and miss the written test by three points. He is very qualified to do a lot of things. His first job out was working at a water department fixing pipes. They fired him because he worked TOO FAST and was causing them to run out of work for everyone else. His next job was at Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart has a plan where they promise to hire vets. Only problem is they don't say how. BIL got a 12 hour a week gig as a door greeter. He didn't last long. My BIL loves kids and would do something like this in a heartbeat. He's highly trained too. Perfect for the job. Relatively young. Late 20's.

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Are they going to do it for free?

That's a big expense for most school districts to try to prevent something that isn't likely to happen, anyway.  VERY FEW schools need armed security all the time (and those that do already have it, for the most part)--and most cannot afford it.  

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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I still don't understand the problem here. I understand that SOME police departments can't spare men for duty at schools. But what about all the retired policemen who are looking to make some extra money? I'm sure SOME of them would be interested in the job. My BIL is ex military. When he came home he had the worst trouble finding a job. He wanted to go into the Navy SEALS and passed the physical and miss the written test by three points. He is very qualified to do a lot of things. His first job out was working at a water department fixing pipes. They fired him because he worked TOO FAST and was causing them to run out of work for everyone else. His next job was at Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart has a plan where they promise to hire vets. Only problem is they don't say how. BIL got a 12 hour a week gig as a door greeter. He didn't last long. My BIL loves kids and would do something like this in a heartbeat. He's highly trained too. Perfect for the job. Relatively young. Late 20's.

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Are they going to do it for free?

That's a big expense for most school districts to try to prevent something that isn't likely to happen, anyway.  VERY FEW schools need armed security all the time (and those that do already have it, for the most part)--and most cannot afford it.  

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 It would be way cheaper than implementing a program that forces teachers to carry guns.

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 But prior to your next post no one was referring to force teachers to carry .  I believe there are seven states that let teachers carry.  Utah for example has been any teacher with a concealed carry license carry.  There does not have to be a large cost.  You do end up with training based on the minimum concealed carry.  For example Colorado does not require any live fire and Vermont any gun owner can carry without a permit.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Well, which teachers? I personally think our teachers would be highly resistant to this. Even though we live in a gun and hunting culture. Are they going to be designated? What does that mean? Does that mean they are then obligated to run toward a threat or what? You have to clearly DEFINE the issues.

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 Those are things that would have to be decided.  Some teachers would be more than happy to carry guns I'm sure.  I'm also sure some would not want to touch a gun.

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 Then they don't have to.  Again, NO ONE said anything about "forcing" anyone to carry a gun.  Try READING.