TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

RE: Sikh Student Allowed to Bring "Religious" Knife to Class

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
It's only impossible if you make it so. OTHER SCHOOLS already do this. Maybe they have smarter board members that can figure it out.

You PROBABLY already have some teachers doing it, anyway, you just don't know it.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Sunday 26th of October 2014 05:39:23 PM
If they are "doing it anyway", then they are going to be fired.

Only if you find out.

AND--in the unlikely event they have to stop an active shooter, and do so successfully--you'd be recalled in a heartbeat for firing them.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Well, which teachers? I personally think our teachers would be highly resistant to this. Even though we live in a gun and hunting culture. Are they going to be designated? What does that mean? Does that mean they are then obligated to run toward a threat or what? You have to clearly DEFINE the issues.
Those are things that would have to be decided. Some teachers would be more than happy to carry guns I'm sure. I'm also sure some would not want to touch a gun.

It isn't just about what the teachers want either. That's nice if they want to carry a gun. Doesn't mean that the taxpayers are going to feel comfortable having their child in a classroom with a gun.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Well, which teachers? I personally think our teachers would be highly resistant to this. Even though we live in a gun and hunting culture. Are they going to be designated? What does that mean? Does that mean they are then obligated to run toward a threat or what? You have to clearly DEFINE the issues.
Those are things that would have to be decided. Some teachers would be more than happy to carry guns I'm sure. I'm also sure some would not want to touch a gun.
It isn't just about what the teachers want either. That's nice if they want to carry a gun. Doesn't mean that the taxpayers are going to feel comfortable having their child in a classroom with a gun.

Maybe they will, maybe they won't--that could vary by school district. In some they probably would not--in a lot of cases, I doubt it would be an issue.

huskerbb · Guru

People make too big of a deal out of guns. They fvcking freak out over them.

It's mainly out of ignorance and paranoia.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

BTW, in Utah, a teacher was carrying a gun into the restroom and the gun went off, shattering one of the toilets. How would you feel if that gun had gone off killing a child?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
People make too big of a deal out of guns. They fvcking freak out over them.

It's mainly out of ignorance and paranoia.

I don't FVCKING freak out over guns. I own gun. I have a concealed weapons permit. I have multiple rifles. I grew up in hunting country with guns in the closet. Sheesh. Keep lying.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
People make too big of a deal out of guns. They fvcking freak out over them.

It's mainly out of ignorance and paranoia.
I don't FVCKING freak out over guns. I own gun. I have a concealed weapons permit. I have multiple rifles. I grew up in hunting country with guns in the closet. Sheesh. Keep lying.

You sure seem to be freaking out on this entire thread.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
BTW, in Utah, a teacher was carrying a gun into the restroom and the gun went off, shattering one of the toilets. How would you feel if that gun had gone off killing a child?

Pretty much exactly the same as if one of your armed guards did it, or another student.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
BTW, in Utah, a teacher was carrying a gun into the restroom and the gun went off, shattering one of the toilets. How would you feel if that gun had gone off killing a child?
Pretty much exactly the same as if one of your armed guards did it, or another student.

I don't think so. I think people would have a much more visceral reaction if it was a teacher.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
People make too big of a deal out of guns. They fvcking freak out over them.

It's mainly out of ignorance and paranoia.
I don't FVCKING freak out over guns. I own gun. I have a concealed weapons permit. I have multiple rifles. I grew up in hunting country with guns in the closet. Sheesh. Keep lying.
You sure seem to be freaking out on this entire thread.

That's funny cuz I sure as heck am not arguing with myself.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
BTW, in Utah, a teacher was carrying a gun into the restroom and the gun went off, shattering one of the toilets. How would you feel if that gun had gone off killing a child?
Pretty much exactly the same as if one of your armed guards did it, or another student.
I don't think so. I think people would have a much more visceral reaction if it was a teacher.

Oh. Well, I don't know. You asked me how I would feel. I can't speak for anyone else.

I would feel exactly the same as if a guard or another student did it.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
People make too big of a deal out of guns. They fvcking freak out over them.

It's mainly out of ignorance and paranoia.
I don't FVCKING freak out over guns. I own gun. I have a concealed weapons permit. I have multiple rifles. I grew up in hunting country with guns in the closet. Sheesh. Keep lying.
You sure seem to be freaking out on this entire thread.
That's funny cuz I sure as heck am not arguing with myself.

But you are the one freaking out about the teachers having guns, not me.

I'm not really even against armed guards--I just don't think it's feasible in most school districts, or necessary.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I didn't know having a discussion and disagreeing with you was "freaking out" but whatever.

huskerbb · Guru

When you consistently make the same nonsensical points over and over--it is.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

No. Disagreeing means the sky is falling.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

In TX it is illegal, and a felony, to carry a gun within 500 feet of a school district. And that extends to anything school related. DH couldn't conceal carry when we went with SS on the field trip to a museum. That's just OUR rules.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
In TX it is illegal, and a felony, to carry a gun within 500 feet of a school district. And that extends to anything school related. DH couldn't conceal carry when we went with SS on the field trip to a museum. That's just OUR rules.

So anyone else at the same place as your SS's field trip was violating the law?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Of a school district? So no one in your child's district can have their gun in their homes? Wow.

ed11563 · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
In TX it is illegal, and a felony, to carry a gun within 500 feet of a school district. And that extends to anything school related. DH couldn't conceal carry when we went with SS on the field trip to a museum. That's just OUR rules.

Do you mean 500 feet of a "school district" or "school" or "school function"? Almost everyone in this country LIVES IN a school district.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Anyone at the museum can have a gun if the museum allows it. Because we were "representatives" of the school then no, DH could not carry. They consider a field trip an extension of school. And it is not school districts. It is schools. And around where I live there are no houses within 500 feet of any school I know. And yes, school functions count as an extension of school. I don't make the rules. I can just tell you what they are. DH has a concealed carry license and carries 24/7. He is very aware of the laws and follows them. Carrying on school, school property, or school functions is a felony. Again, I don't make the law. I just am aware of it.

ed11563 · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Anyone at the museum can have a gun if the museum allows it. Because we were "representatives" of the school then no, DH could not carry. They consider a field trip an extension of school. And it is not school districts. It is schools. And around where I live there are no houses within 500 feet of any school I know. And yes, school functions count as an extension of school. I don't make the rules. I can just tell you what they are. DH has a concealed carry license and carries 24/7. He is very aware of the laws and follows them. Carrying on school, school property, or school functions is a felony. Again, I don't make the law. I just am aware of it.

Is pepper spray legal?

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

No idea ed. I would doubt.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I know when we pick SS up early DH waits in the car and I run in and get him so DH doesn't have to leave the gun in the trunk.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
No. Disagreeing means the sky is falling.

"end of the world". Your quotes not mine. Perhaps you are unaware how often u say it.

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
In TX it is illegal, and a felony, to carry a gun within 500 feet of a school district. And that extends to anything school related. DH couldn't conceal carry when we went with SS on the field trip to a museum. That's just OUR rules.

Not everywhere in Texas. As I suspected, it is probably a district by district rule.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/texas-town-allows-teachers-carry-concealed-guns

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

As usual husker knows everything.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

And I'm really less than impressed that you were able to use your little google search to find one school that allows guns. Big deal. TX is a massive state. With hundreds of thousands of school districts. Why don't you get back to me when you have the gun policy on EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. Then I might be mildly impressed. Or not.

burns07 · Guru

would be satisfied with having a few trained / armed teachers or administrators on every school campus--without them, in the event of a shooter incident, the children ( and the adults ) are either left to flee ( if possible ) or to hide, at the mercy of the shooter(s) until help arrives--don't like being at the mercy of anyone, let alone some fool with a weapon bent on killing folks--better to accept the risk of getting hurt / killed myself and take action than to let some low-life have their way with innocent people

ed11563 · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
And I'm really less than impressed that you were able to use your little google search to find one school that allows guns. Big deal. TX is a massive state. With hundreds of thousands of school districts. Why don't you get back to me when you have the gun policy on EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. Then I might be mildly impressed. Or not.

How quickly will police get to your local school if/when the panic button is pushed? Could you have a massacre like Sandy Hook?

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

We have two police officers in every school in our district. That's how it was in our old school district also. They also have a drug dog there at all times.

ed11563 · Guru

Back to the original question (see "Subject:" above),

NO, he should not be allowed to carry that weapon in school.

ed11563 · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
We have two police officers in every school in our district. That's how it was in our old school district also. They also have a drug dog there at all times.

Sounds like either (1) those officers are bored out of their minds, or (2) your schools have a lot more incidents than mine do.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

As I said earlier, we have very strict policies. I can only speak to how OUR schools are. We live in a pretty wealthy school district and as a result we have a lot of teenagers with excessive disposable income. There is a lot of what I would term wealthy drug use. Stuff like pot, uppers, downers, and things like that. I'm sure that some have tried harder drugs but most of these kids are rich kids wasting their allowance on pot and beer on the weekends. That's the reason for the drug dogs. Also, because of the drug problem kids are not allowed to carry any medicine on them at any time. Not even a Tylenol. Carrying a Tylenol will get you expelled for the remainder of the year. And before you tell me how dumb these rules are-I don't make them.

The officers have never seemed "bored" when I have seen them. A couple times I have seen them hauling kids off. Probably three or four times. Don't know what for. Didn't ask. I mind my own business.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
No. Disagreeing means the sky is falling.

"end of the world". Your quotes not mine. Perhaps you are unaware how often u say it.

Other posters notice, though.

flan

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
And I'm really less than impressed that you were able to use your little google search to find one school that allows guns. Big deal. TX is a massive state. With hundreds of thousands of school districts. Why don't you get back to me when you have the gun policy on EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. Then I might be mildly impressed. Or not.

You said it was a felony to carry a gun within 500 ft. of a school. That's obviously NOT the case. It's likely the case for YOUR ONE school district--and probably some others--but it's not universal like you seemed to think.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
And I'm really less than impressed that you were able to use your little google search to find one school that allows guns. Big deal. TX is a massive state. With hundreds of thousands of school districts. Why don't you get back to me when you have the gun policy on EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. Then I might be mildly impressed. Or not.
You said it was a felony to carry a gun within 500 ft. of a school. That's obviously NOT the case. It's likely the case for YOUR ONE school district--and probably some others--but it's not universal like you seemed to think.

Show me the gun policies on every single school district in the whole entire state of Texas and then you MIGHT have some credibility. You seem to think you know everything. You do not.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
No. Disagreeing means the sky is falling.

"end of the world". Your quotes not mine. Perhaps you are unaware how often u say it.

Um. No. I have never said end of the world. Never. Show me one place.

And I haven't said anything about it in this thread.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

ed11563 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
We have two police officers in every school in our district. That's how it was in our old school district also. They also have a drug dog there at all times.
Sounds like either (1) those officers are bored out of their minds, or (2) your schools have a lot more incidents than mine do.

Our schools have what they call a resource officer. It's a county officer and he is involved with a little of everything.

The problem I have with it is that the same officer is in the school long term. I don't like that. I think they should be switched at least every two years.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
I am not going to continue to try to have a discussion with you here. You obviously are not capable of understanding basic English. I don't know what you are talking about saying "I am not sure why you have to frame everything as "the end of the world" if someone disagrees with you." You are the one having a problem with my not agreeing with you.

I have offered an option. A couple of them. You have stayed on one idea.

Yeah. You are a school board member.

Have a great day.

Your quote. End of the world. Not my words. Yours.

PotteryChick · Member

I haven't read every post. Do you think insurance companies are going to agree to insure a school where teachers are armed? If they do agree, do you agree that the cost would be prohibitive for smaller districts?

Also, a resource officer in the cafeteria won't be a lot of use if someone attacks someone in the library.

The child should not be allowed to bring the knife to school.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I am not going to continue to try to have a discussion with you here. You obviously are not capable of understanding basic English. I don't know what you are talking about saying "I am not sure why you have to frame everything as "the end of the world" if someone disagrees with you." You are the one having a problem with my not agreeing with you.

I have offered an option. A couple of them. You have stayed on one idea.

Yeah. You are a school board member.

Have a great day.
Your quote. End of the world. Not my words. Yours.

Yeah. Your quote. You were the one saying I said it when I didn't.

I was quoting you.

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
And I'm really less than impressed that you were able to use your little google search to find one school that allows guns. Big deal. TX is a massive state. With hundreds of thousands of school districts. Why don't you get back to me when you have the gun policy on EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. Then I might be mildly impressed. Or not.
You said it was a felony to carry a gun within 500 ft. of a school. That's obviously NOT the case. It's likely the case for YOUR ONE school district--and probably some others--but it's not universal like you seemed to think.
Show me the gun policies on every single school district in the whole entire state of Texas and then you MIGHT have some credibility. You seem to think you know everything. You do not.

You are the one who made the blanket statement as if you knew everything--and all I had to do was one cursory internet search to find an exception. You are the one with no credibility. You made a statement--and were proven wrong.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
And I'm really less than impressed that you were able to use your little google search to find one school that allows guns. Big deal. TX is a massive state. With hundreds of thousands of school districts. Why don't you get back to me when you have the gun policy on EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. Then I might be mildly impressed. Or not.
You said it was a felony to carry a gun within 500 ft. of a school. That's obviously NOT the case. It's likely the case for YOUR ONE school district--and probably some others--but it's not universal like you seemed to think.
Show me the gun policies on every single school district in the whole entire state of Texas and then you MIGHT have some credibility. You seem to think you know everything. You do not.
You are the one who made the blanket statement as if you knew everything--and all I had to do was one cursory internet search to find an exception. You are the one with no credibility. You made a statement--and were proven wrong.

I said I know what it is here. You said I'm wrong. So please. Show me the gun rules of EVERY SCHOOL DISTRICT IN TEXAS. Maybe then you'll have credibility. Or maybe not.

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
And I'm really less than impressed that you were able to use your little google search to find one school that allows guns. Big deal. TX is a massive state. With hundreds of thousands of school districts. Why don't you get back to me when you have the gun policy on EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. Then I might be mildly impressed. Or not.
You said it was a felony to carry a gun within 500 ft. of a school. That's obviously NOT the case. It's likely the case for YOUR ONE school district--and probably some others--but it's not universal like you seemed to think.
Show me the gun policies on every single school district in the whole entire state of Texas and then you MIGHT have some credibility. You seem to think you know everything. You do not.
You are the one who made the blanket statement as if you knew everything--and all I had to do was one cursory internet search to find an exception. You are the one with no credibility. You made a statement--and were proven wrong.
I said I know what it is here. You said I'm wrong. So please. Show me the gun rules of EVERY SCHOOL DISTRICT IN TEXAS. Maybe then you'll have credibility. Or maybe not.

No, you did not say "here"--you said TEXAS.

You also said "a" school district--NOT "the school district I reside in".

-- Edited by huskerbb on Monday 27th of October 2014 06:47:51 PM

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I refuse to argue with the almighty husker.

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I refuse to argue with the almighty husker.

LOL!!!! That's all you've been doing for your last 6 posts.