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ed11563 · Guru

Pope Francis says evolution is real and God is no wizard

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Matthew 24

The Destruction of the Temple and Signs of the End Times

1Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2“Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”

3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

4Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9“Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

15“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’^a spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

22“If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25See, I have told you ahead of time.

26“So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

29“Immediately after the distress of those days

“ ‘the sun will be darkened,

and the moon will not give its light;

the stars will fall from the sky,

and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’^b

30“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth^c will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.^d 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

32“Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it^e is near, right at the door. 34Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

The Day and Hour Unknown

36“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,^f but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

42“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

45“Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Footnotes:
a 15 Daniel 9:27; 11:31; 12:11
b 29 Isaiah 13:10; 34:4
c 30 Or the tribes of the land
d 30 See Daniel 7:13-14.
e 33 Or he
f 36 Some manuscripts do not have nor the Son.

-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Wednesday 29th of October 2014 01:02:41 PM

Tinydancer · Guru

I'm sure the Catholics of the board will appreciate you calling the Pope a false prophet.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I went back to include the whole chapter.

And if he is spewing garbage like this, he is.

If that offends someone then I apologize.

But that doesn't change the truth that God DID create the Universe.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the Earth.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

ed11563 · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
I'm sure the Catholics of the board will appreciate you calling the Pope a false prophet.

I thought long and hard about posting this, since, imho, I don't have a dog in this hunt, but I do find it interesting.

I also asked one of the most prolific posters what she thought, should I post it or not, and she said "go for it".

So here it is, for those who love the Pope and those who want to impeach him (I don't think that's an option, is it?)

I didn't write the article, and I don't recall labeling the Pope as anything other than "the Pope".

Tinydancer · Guru

ed11563 wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
I'm sure the Catholics of the board will appreciate you calling the Pope a false prophet.
I thought long and hard about posting this, since, imho, I don't have a dog in this hunt, but I do find it interesting.
I also asked one of the most prolific posters what she thought, should I post it or not, and she said "go for it".
So here it is, for those who love the Pope and those who want to impeach him (I don't think that's an option, is it?)

I didn't write the article, and I don't recall labeling the Pope as anything other than "the Pope".

My response was directed at lily who absolutely did call the Pope a false Prophet.

Ohfour · Hooker

He is a false prophet. My Facebook is BLOWING UP with all of my Catholic friends saying the exact same thing. (And most of my friends on Facebook are from school. Catholic school).

Ohfour · Hooker

In fact, I have yet to see a Catholic agree with him...

Tinydancer · Guru

I don't agree with him either but I'm not Catholic so I have no horse in that fight. I have Catholic friends though who would be appalled at their church leader being called a false prophet but I know how these threads always go so I'm done.

Lindley · Guru

Anyone who preaches anything that is a different message then the Bible is considered a false prophet. I'm not talking about different denominations and how they view the Bible, but something that is so obvious from what the Bible says is a false prophet.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

I remember reading a prophecy from many century's ago, that named all the rings of the Pope's to come. The last Pope was the last ring in the prophecy.
Looks like it may have been a true prophecy, IMHO.
This is blowing up my facebook too.

Lindley · Guru

just Czech wrote:
I remember reading a prophecy from many century's ago, that named all the rings of the Pope's to come. The last Pope was the last ring in the prophecy.
Looks like it may have been a true prophecy, IMHO.
This is blowing up my facebook too.

I heard about that prophecy.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I'm not sure Catholics are going to be too happy having their Pope say God is not divine. That's blasphemy. And it's too bad. The Catholic church lost a lot of people over the molestation scandal. This Pope should be focused on healing the church, not creating further divide.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Lawyerlady wrote:
I'm not sure Catholics are going to be too happy having their Pope say God is not divine. That's blasphemy. And it's too bad. The Catholic church lost a lot of people over the molestation scandal. This Pope should be focused on healing the church, not creating further divide.

A wolf in sheep's clothing will destroy the church from within. I think we have one.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Tinydancer wrote:
I'm sure the Catholics of the board will appreciate you calling the Pope a false prophet.

Oh, yes, VERY MUCH SO.

Lily clings to her quaint endtimes notion.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I think I need to leave this thread.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

God can speak the worlds into existence but He's no wizard? Oh ok lol.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
God can speak the worlds into existence but He's no wizard? Oh ok lol.

If there is a God, I don't equate him with a wizard.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Did He speak the world into existence? If He can't do it then He is not God.

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
God can speak the worlds into existence but He's no wizard? Oh ok lol.
If there is a God, I don't equate him with a wizard.
flan

Then why the hell are you so upset about this thread. I mean, if you don't believe, then calling him a false prophet is nothing. And he most definitely IS a false prophet. He's persona non grata with the Catholics right now. I've heard the word "Heretic" today more times than I've heard it in my life...from Catholics...

Vette · Owl drink to that!

Lawyerlady wrote:
I'm not sure Catholics are going to be too happy having their Pope say God is not divine. That's blasphemy. And it's too bad. The Catholic church lost a lot of people over the molestation scandal. This Pope should be focused on healing the church, not creating further divide.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
God can speak the worlds into existence but He's no wizard? Oh ok lol.
If there is a God, I don't equate him with a wizard.
flan
Then why the hell are you so upset about this thread. I mean, if you don't believe, then calling him a false prophet is nothing. And he most definitely IS a false prophet. He's persona non grata with the Catholics right now. I've heard the word "Heretic" today more times than I've heard it in my life...from Catholics...

The Catholic Church has ALWAYS resisted change. I grew up when the Mass was in Latin and the Priest faced away from the congregation.

I don't need a reason to be upset. Not all Catholics are conservative, by any stretch of the imagination. Some actually live in the 21st century.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

You know what? Most of my Catholic friends ARE liberal. The fact that you cannot see that this is blasphemy is surprising. Then again, maybe I shouldn't be surprised.

Did you miss this:
GOD IS NOT A DIVINE BEING

That is the very cornerstone of EVERY Christian religion.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

I also find the statement that God is not a divine being, mind blowing. Ah, yes, he is.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

If He isn't a Divine Being then what is He? And who wants a God that isn't omnipresent , omnipotent and omniscient?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Liberals tend to puposefully misinterpret the Pope's actual words to suit their agenda.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Looks like He is saying God created Man. Not that man evolved f4om a chemical soup.

Honeys_Mom · Mod & Permanent Board Sweetheart

I'm happy to see this thread hasn't turned into a slugfest. Then again, Husker hasn't posted yet... confuse

Maybe I'd better start collecting pictures of cake.

huskerbb · Guru

Reformation Sunday was just last Sunday. Thank God for that.

ed11563 · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
If He isn't a Divine Being then what is He? And who wants a God that isn't omnipresent , omnipotent and omniscient?

If you believe God exists, do you get to choose? What about just omnipotent?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Wouldn't God by definition need to be all those things?

ed11563 · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Wouldn't God by definition need to be all those things?

Whose definition? God can define "God" anyway she wants to.

Honeys_Mom · Mod & Permanent Board Sweetheart

LOL

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

If God is not those things then that ain't God.

ed11563 · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
If God is not those things then that ain't God.

According to YOU. Who are you to get to decide this?

Ohfour · Hooker

ed11563 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
If God is not those things then that ain't God.
According to YOU. Who are you to get to decide this?

She didn't. God did. If you chose not to believe, then poor you...

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Maybe I am God.

ed11563 · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Maybe I am God.

Maybe. Are you omnipotent?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

No maybes about it.

WYSIWYG · Guru

There was probably a similar outcry when the Vatican declared it's agreement that the world wasn't flat, as well as when it declared that everything didn't revolve around the Earth.

huskerbb · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
There was probably a similar outcry when the Vatican declared it's agreement that the world wasn't flat, as well as when it declared that everything didn't revolve around the Earth.

So what? Neither of those issues was addressed in the Bible.

Whether or not God is divine or not--is covered.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Oh the Earth is flat thing? That's all they've got. Lol.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

“The Big Bang, which today we hold to be the origin of the world, does not contradict the intervention of the divine creator but, rather, requires it.

“Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve.”

The Pope is saying that God is the Devine Creator.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

WYSIWYG wrote:
There was probably a similar outcry when the Vatican declared it's agreement that the world wasn't flat, as well as when it declared that everything didn't revolve around the Earth.

Thanks for trying...

"God is not a divine being or a magician, but the Creator who brought everything to life," Francis said. "Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve."

In other words, to borrow from an earlier Enlightenment idea, God is more a clockmaker than a conjurer of miracles.

Such thinking is not new for the Catholic Church, which for six decades — since the reforms of Pope Pius XII — has espoused belief in theistic evolution. That hinges, of course, on the fundamental acceptance of a higher power.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with his statements here.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I don't have a problem with the Pope acknowledging adaptive evolution. It's the comment that God is not divine that is blasphemous.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
I don't have a problem with the Pope acknowledging adaptive evolution. It's the comment that God is not divine that is blasphemous.

EXACTLY....

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Why don't you let the Catholics worry about it?

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Why don't you let the Catholics worry about it?

flan

Because Catholics are Christian, and the Pope carries a lot of influence. Why don't YOU let the believers worry about it?

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Why don't you let the Catholics worry about it?

flan

Trust me, they ARE worried.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Why don't you let the Catholics worry about it?

flan
Because Catholics are Christian, and the Pope carries a lot of influence. Why don't YOU let the believers worry about it?

Because I have a right to my opinion, and because I know how many Catholics have left the religion because of overly rigid tenets.

flan