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Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

RE: Pope Francis says evolution is real and God is no wizard

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

But you STATED "let the believers worry about it."

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
But you STATED "let the believers worry about it."

flan

Right after YOU stated "let the Catholics worry about it". Hypocrite much?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
But you STATED "let the believers worry about it."

flan
Right after YOU stated "let the Catholics worry about it". Hypocrite much?

It is ultimately THEIR concern.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
But you STATED "let the believers worry about it."

flan
Right after YOU stated "let the Catholics worry about it". Hypocrite much?
It is ultimately THEIR concern.
flan

It is the concern of every Christian believer when a supposed man of God blasphemes him. Since you don't believe, and have shown contempt for the church - what is your point here? It seems you think that your opinion is more valid somehow b/c you happen to be a lapsed Catholic.

PotteryChick · Member

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Why don't you let the Catholics worry about it?

flan
Trust me, they ARE worried.

I'm not going to arrogantly believe I speak for all Catholics, however, my friends and family have shown absolutely no worry. We haven't blown up facebook with our worry either. We will be together at Saturday Mass. I'll report back if we have any gnashing of teeth but please don't get your hopes up. It's highly doubtful.

We love and support the Pope.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I personally do not believe in Evolution. I just don't. I think that God spoke the world into existence exactly as the Bible said. And, man was created as MAN from day one. Yes, there are minor changes in genetics through time as we have changed in size, stature, etc. But, according to the Bible each species after its OWN KIND. A fish doesn't become a bird doesn't become a chimp doesn't become a man. Birds are still birds. Robins are still robins. Blue Jays are still blue jays. They haven't all morphed into one messy conglomerate.

However, having said that, Creation was a point in time that NONE OF US were there to witness, can't witness and is so far beyond our minute existence to comprehend. I think it would fall under the "vain strivings" where it is pretty much a complete waste of time to spend so much time debating.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I think of it like this. If I never existed until tomorrow morning, and then I woke up as a new creature in my bedroom, I would look around and what would I see? A dresser, a mirror, a door frame. Everything in my room was purposefully and intelligently crafted and created. No mere accident. I wasn't there when it was created. I don't see the Creator, but yet, I know creation happened. The hand of God is evident to me everywhere.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I personally do not believe in Evolution. I just don't. I think that God spoke the world into existence exactly as the Bible said. And, man was created as MAN from day one. Yes, there are minor changes in genetics through time as we have changed in size, stature, etc. But, according to the Bible each species after its OWN KIND. A fish doesn't become a bird doesn't become a chimp doesn't become a man. Birds are still birds. Robins are still robins. Blue Jays are still blue jays. They haven't all morphed into one messy conglomerate.

However, having said that, Creation was a point in time that NONE OF US were there to witness, can't witness and is so far beyond our minute existence to comprehend. I think it would fall under the "vain strivings" where it is pretty much a complete waste of time to spend so much time debating.

That's adaptive evolution.

Here's the thing - the big bang theory? GOD. How else does a something come from nothing?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

PotteryChick wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Why don't you let the Catholics worry about it?

flan
Trust me, they ARE worried.
I'm not going to arrogantly believe I speak for all Catholics, however, my friends and family have shown absolutely no worry. We haven't blown up facebook with our worry either. We will be together at Saturday Mass. I'll report back if we have any gnashing of teeth but please don't get your hopes up. It's highly doubtful.
We love and support the Pope.

I would hope most Catholics feel the same way.

What I like most about the Pope is his willingness to INCLUDE groups that have previously been excluded.

I think that has been needed for a long time.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
But you STATED "let the believers worry about it."

flan
Right after YOU stated "let the Catholics worry about it". Hypocrite much?
It is ultimately THEIR concern.
flan
It is the concern of every Christian believer when a supposed man of God blasphemes him. Since you don't believe, and have shown contempt for the church - what is your point here? It seems you think that your opinion is more valid somehow b/c you happen to be a lapsed Catholic.

I have shown contempt, not for the CHURCH, but for righteous & judgmental Christians who ultimately turn people away from organized religion.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I personally do not believe in Evolution. I just don't. I think that God spoke the world into existence exactly as the Bible said. And, man was created as MAN from day one. Yes, there are minor changes in genetics through time as we have changed in size, stature, etc. But, according to the Bible each species after its OWN KIND. A fish doesn't become a bird doesn't become a chimp doesn't become a man. Birds are still birds. Robins are still robins. Blue Jays are still blue jays. They haven't all morphed into one messy conglomerate.

However, having said that, Creation was a point in time that NONE OF US were there to witness, can't witness and is so far beyond our minute existence to comprehend. I think it would fall under the "vain strivings" where it is pretty much a complete waste of time to spend so much time debating.
That's adaptive evolution.

Here's the thing - the big bang theory? GOD. How else does a something come from nothing?

In reality, Atheists ascribe INTELLIGENCE to genes. Oh, the genes somehow KNEW they need to develop thus and so to adapt. In reality most genetic mutations weaken species. I think Man was created in a perfect condition in the garden of eden. I believe our bodies and intelligence are Devolving. Yes, we have created a lot but only because we have better tools to do, not because we are smarter.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

And, they yell Science, science but then totally ignore Thermodynamic laws. Or ignore that systems become disordered, not more ordered. That non life does not beget life. They yell Science, science, science and then pick and choose . Uh huh.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I also wonder about his choice of words. I don't think "magician" or "wizard" is of concern to most Catholics.

I do wonder if he will address why he chose "divine."

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
But you STATED "let the believers worry about it."

flan
Right after YOU stated "let the Catholics worry about it". Hypocrite much?
It is ultimately THEIR concern.
flan
It is the concern of every Christian believer when a supposed man of God blasphemes him. Since you don't believe, and have shown contempt for the church - what is your point here? It seems you think that your opinion is more valid somehow b/c you happen to be a lapsed Catholic.
I have shown contempt, not for the CHURCH, but for righteous & judgmental Christians who ultimately turn people away from organized religion.
flan

Still trying to figure out why you have the right to your opinion, and yet the rest of us should just let the Catholics worry about it. Catholicism is a denomination of Christianity - not a race or birthright.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I still can't get over you calling the POPE a "supposed man of God."

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Well. I don't see the big deal. He said God wasn't Divine so....

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
I still can't get over you calling the POPE a "supposed man of God."

flan

Well, if he believes that God is not divine, then he is definitely not a man of God...

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
I still can't get over you calling the POPE a "supposed man of God."

flan
Well, if he believes that God is not divine, then he is definitely not a man of God...

And I'm still stuck on the reason he chose that particular word.

He has studied the Bible for decades.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
I still can't get over you calling the POPE a "supposed man of God."

flan

I still can't get over you saying we should leave this issue up to the Catholics but that YOU have a right to your opinion. Please explain why your opinion is so much more valid than anyone else's. Or would you like to deflect some more?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

What difference does it make how long he has studied the Bible? You went to Catholic school and say you have a background in the church but you don't believe God even exists.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
I still can't get over you calling the POPE a "supposed man of God."

flan

Why? He's a man. He isn't a God or a King. Sorry. He's fallible. I know The Catholic Church believes in Papal Infallability but I don't.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
What difference does it make how long he has studied the Bible? You went to Catholic school and say you have a background in the church but you don't believe God even exists.

There are lots of Bible Scholars supposed who are just drop dead wrong.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
What difference does it make how long he has studied the Bible? You went to Catholic school and say you have a background in the church but you don't believe God even exists.

I DON'T KNOW, LILY...get your insults straight.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
I still can't get over you calling the POPE a "supposed man of God."

flan
I still can't get over you saying we should leave this issue up to the Catholics but that YOU have a right to your opinion. Please explain why your opinion is so much more valid than anyone else's. Or would you like to deflect some more?

I don't much care what you "can't get over."

The POPE is the head of the CATHOLIC Church.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
I still can't get over you calling the POPE a "supposed man of God."

flan
I still can't get over you saying we should leave this issue up to the Catholics but that YOU have a right to your opinion. Please explain why your opinion is so much more valid than anyone else's. Or would you like to deflect some more?
I don't much care what you "can't get over."
The POPE is the head of the CATHOLIC Church.
flan

There you go again! LOL! You do realize I'm COPYING your wording?

And WHAT IS YOUR POINT???? No one has disputed the Pope is the head of the Catholic Church. Are you trying to say that makes him perfect? That he can't be wrong? He's still a man.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
I still can't get over you calling the POPE a "supposed man of God."

flan
I still can't get over you saying we should leave this issue up to the Catholics but that YOU have a right to your opinion. Please explain why your opinion is so much more valid than anyone else's. Or would you like to deflect some more?
I don't much care what you "can't get over."
The POPE is the head of the CATHOLIC Church.
flan
There you go again! LOL! You do realize I'm COPYING your wording?

And WHAT IS YOUR POINT???? No one has disputed the Pope is the head of the Catholic Church. Are you trying to say that makes him perfect? That he can't be wrong? He's still a man.

No, I'm much too stupid.

Oh, Look! I Googled.

Infallibility belongs in a special way to the pope as head of the bishops (Matt. 16:17–19; John 21:15–17). As Vatican II remarked, it is a charism the pope "enjoys in virtue of his office, when, as the supreme shepherd and teacher of all the faithful, who confirms his brethren in their faith (Luke 22:32), he proclaims by a definitive act some doctrine of faith or morals. Therefore his definitions, of themselves, and not from the consent of the Church, are justly held irreformable, for they are pronounced with the assistance of the Holy Spirit, an assistance promised to him in blessed Peter."

The infallibility of the pope is not a doctrine that suddenly appeared in Church teaching; rather, it is a doctrine which was implicit in the early Church. It is only our understanding of infallibility which has developed and been more clearly understood over time. In fact, the doctrine of infallibility is implicit in these Petrine texts: John 21:15–17 ("Feed my sheep . . . "), Luke 22:32 ("I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail"), and Matthew 16:18 ("You are Peter . . . ").

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

^^^

What a load of horse****. That has to be the stupidest commentary on the Bible I've ever read.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
What difference does it make how long he has studied the Bible? You went to Catholic school and say you have a background in the church but you don't believe God even exists.

I DON'T KNOW, LILY...get your insults straight.
flan

Oh. I got it straight. You are the one who is confused.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I know the Papal infallibility doctrine.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
I still can't get over you calling the POPE a "supposed man of God."

flan
I still can't get over you saying we should leave this issue up to the Catholics but that YOU have a right to your opinion. Please explain why your opinion is so much more valid than anyone else's. Or would you like to deflect some more?
I don't much care what you "can't get over."
The POPE is the head of the CATHOLIC Church.
flan
There you go again! LOL! You do realize I'm COPYING your wording?

And WHAT IS YOUR POINT???? No one has disputed the Pope is the head of the Catholic Church. Are you trying to say that makes him perfect? That he can't be wrong? He's still a man.
No, I'm much too stupid.
Oh, Look! I Googled.
Infallibility belongs in a special way to the pope as head of the bishops (Matt. 16:17–19; John 21:15–17). As Vatican II remarked, it is a charism the pope "enjoys in virtue of his office, when, as the supreme shepherd and teacher of all the faithful, who confirms his brethren in their faith (Luke 22:32), he proclaims by a definitive act some doctrine of faith or morals. Therefore his definitions, of themselves, and not from the consent of the Church, are justly held irreformable, for they are pronounced with the assistance of the Holy Spirit, an assistance promised to him in blessed Peter."
The infallibility of the pope is not a doctrine that suddenly appeared in Church teaching; rather, it is a doctrine which was implicit in the early Church. It is only our understanding of infallibility which has developed and been more clearly understood over time. In fact, the doctrine of infallibility is implicit in these Petrine texts: John 21:15–17 ("Feed my sheep . . . "), Luke 22:32 ("I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail"), and Matthew 16:18 ("You are Peter . . . ").
flan

WHAT????? Let's get some context.

Luke 22 is about the Last Supper and the twelve disciples and Peter's DENIAL of Christ - I'll even use the Revised Standard Catholic edition.

The Dispute about Greatness

²⁴A dispute also arose among them, which of them was to be regarded as the greatest. ²⁵And he said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and those in authority over them are called benefactors. ²⁶But not so with you; rather let the greatest among you become as the youngest, and the leader as one who serves. ²⁷For which is the greater, one who sits at table, or one who serves? Is it not the one who sits at table? But I am among you as one who serves.

²⁸“You are those who have continued with me in my trials; ²⁹as my Father appointed a kingdom for me, so do I appoint for you ³⁰that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Jesus Predicts Peter’s Denial

³¹“Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you,^[d] that he might sift you^[e] like wheat, ³²but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren.” ³³And he said to him, “Lord, I am ready to go with you to prison and to death.” ³⁴He said, “I tell you, Peter, the **** will not crow this day, until you three times deny that you know me.”

John 21:15- 19

Jesus and Peter

¹⁵When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Feed my lambs.” ¹⁶A second time he said to him, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Tend my sheep.” ¹⁷He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter was grieved because he said to him the third time, “Do you love me?” And he said to him, “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you.” Jesus said to him, “Feed my sheep.^[d] ¹⁸Truly, truly, I say to you, when you were young, you girded yourself and walked where you would; but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands, and another will gird you and carry you where you do not wish to go.” ¹⁹(This he said to show by what death he was to glorify God.) And after this he said to him, “Follow me.”

Matthew 16:13-20

Peter’s Declaration about Jesus

¹³Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesare′a Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do men say that the Son of man is?” ¹⁴And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, others say Eli′jah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”^[b] ¹⁵He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” ¹⁶Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”^[c] ¹⁷And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. ¹⁸And I tell you, you are Peter,^[d] and on this rock^[e] I will build my church, and the powers of death^[f] shall not prevail against it.^[g] ¹⁹I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven,^[h] and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” ²⁰Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ.

Please explain how ANY of that says the Pope is infallible???????

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I know the Papal infallibility doctrine.

It is Catholic dogma, it is not Biblical.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I know the Papal infallibility doctrine.

Thank you. I knew it too, but I wanted to be sure I was remembering correctly.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I know the Papal infallibility doctrine.
It is Catholic dogma, it is not Biblical.

That's my POINT.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I know the Papal infallibility doctrine.
It is Catholic dogma, it is not Biblical.
That's my POINT.
flan

Then why are you posting stuff that refers to Bible verses? Your point is very, very hazy.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I know the Papal infallibility doctrine.
It is Catholic dogma, it is not Biblical.
That's my POINT.
flan
Then why are you posting stuff that refers to Bible verses? Your point is very, very hazy.

Because I copied it from a CATHOLIC site.

The Bible verses give...oh I don't know...JUSTIFICATION for the Catholic doctrine.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I know the Papal infallibility doctrine.
It is Catholic dogma, it is not Biblical.
That's my POINT.
flan
Then why are you posting stuff that refers to Bible verses? Your point is very, very hazy.
Because I copied it from a CATHOLIC site.
The Bible verses give...oh I don't know...JUSTIFICATION for the Catholic doctrine.
flan

So, are you doing that to argue the Pope is infallible? Or to show why Catholics THINK the Pope is infallible? Because he's not. And even IF (big, big, big IF), Peter was the first Pope, making those verses somehow relevant (still don't see how it says he infallible) - his denial of Christ 3 times would pretty much prove that he was not infallible. Paul went so far as to call him a heretic.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Now I'm reading way to much about infallibility. And even IF the Pope could be infallible, none of this would count as being infallible. Infallibility relates to HUGE issues.

www.americancatholic.org/messenger/Aug2004/Wiseman.asp

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I know the Papal infallibility doctrine.
It is Catholic dogma, it is not Biblical.
That's my POINT.
flan
Then why are you posting stuff that refers to Bible verses? Your point is very, very hazy.
Because I copied it from a CATHOLIC site.
The Bible verses give...oh I don't know...JUSTIFICATION for the Catholic doctrine.
flan

No it doesn't.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

husker, the expert on everything, has spoken...

This is EXACTLY what I was taught when I attended Catholic school for 8 years.

flan

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
husker, the expert on everything, has spoken...

This is EXACTLY what I was taught when I attended Catholic school for 8 years.

flan

Thank God we had the reformation so people could actually read the Bible for themselves.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Was this actually said in English? Does this Pope even speak English? I thought he was from someplace else?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Was this actually said in English? Does this Pope even speak English? I thought he was from someplace else?

I'm fairly certain English is NOT his first language, but I also know that many schoolchildren around the world are taught English in school, so I'm assuming he's fairly well versed in the language.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I know the Papal infallibility doctrine.
It is Catholic dogma, it is not Biblical.
That's my POINT.
flan
Then why are you posting stuff that refers to Bible verses? Your point is very, very hazy.
Because I copied it from a CATHOLIC site.
The Bible verses give...oh I don't know...JUSTIFICATION for the Catholic doctrine.
flan
So, are you doing that to argue the Pope is infallible? Or to show why Catholics THINK the Pope is infallible? Because he's not. And even IF (big, big, big IF), Peter was the first Pope, making those verses somehow relevant (still don't see how it says he infallible) - his denial of Christ 3 times would pretty much prove that he was not infallible. Paul went so far as to call him a heretic.

In the end, it's what JESUS thinks of Peter, not what Paul thinks of him.

flan

WYSIWYG · Guru

"Thank God we had the reformation so people could actually read the Bible for themselves." - huskerbb

Catholics read the Bible for themselves just as much as followers of all the other Denominations do. They just have a different Bible than other Denominations, with a few more books in it.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I know the Papal infallibility doctrine.
It is Catholic dogma, it is not Biblical.
That's my POINT.
flan
Then why are you posting stuff that refers to Bible verses? Your point is very, very hazy.
Because I copied it from a CATHOLIC site.
The Bible verses give...oh I don't know...JUSTIFICATION for the Catholic doctrine.
flan
So, are you doing that to argue the Pope is infallible? Or to show why Catholics THINK the Pope is infallible? Because he's not. And even IF (big, big, big IF), Peter was the first Pope, making those verses somehow relevant (still don't see how it says he infallible) - his denial of Christ 3 times would pretty much prove that he was not infallible. Paul went so far as to call him a heretic.

In the end, it's what JESUS thinks of Peter, not what Paul thinks of him.
flan

You nailed it. The crux of Christianity.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Thanks, LGS!

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I know the Papal infallibility doctrine.
It is Catholic dogma, it is not Biblical.
That's my POINT.
flan
Then why are you posting stuff that refers to Bible verses? Your point is very, very hazy.
Because I copied it from a CATHOLIC site.
The Bible verses give...oh I don't know...JUSTIFICATION for the Catholic doctrine.
flan
So, are you doing that to argue the Pope is infallible? Or to show why Catholics THINK the Pope is infallible? Because he's not. And even IF (big, big, big IF), Peter was the first Pope, making those verses somehow relevant (still don't see how it says he infallible) - his denial of Christ 3 times would pretty much prove that he was not infallible. Paul went so far as to call him a heretic.

In the end, it's what JESUS thinks of Peter, not what Paul thinks of him.
flan

Or what the POPE thinks of him.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

WYSIWYG wrote:
"Thank God we had the reformation so people could actually read the Bible for themselves." - huskerbb

Catholics read the Bible for themselves just as much as followers of all the other Denominations do. They just have a different Bible than other Denominations, with a few more books in it.

Husker was speaking historically. And no, throughout history - very few people actually read the Bible, especially Catholics since they had priests to tell them what it said. Many could not read and books were very expensive.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Idk, I don't really see the fuss. He obviously believes that God created the universe, and plenty of people believe that science and religion can coexist peacefully. So he believes that God created beings that evolve, and a universe that expands. Big freakin' deal.