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Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

RE: Terminally ill woman who intends to end her life posts new video about her condition

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
God is bigger than Suicide Lilly. You are saying that all that matters is your LAST act on earth?

I agree.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
I stand by what I say.

Dona, I'll be proud to stand with you.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
God is bigger than Suicide Lilly. You are saying that all that matters is your LAST act on earth?

I know God is bigger.

But sin will not enter where He is. He turned His face from His own son on the cross because of the sins of all of us that Jesus took on.

If your last act before death is a sin and you do not have a chance to ask forgiveness, then you have sealed your own fate.

God doesn't send us to Hell. We send ourselves.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
God is bigger than Suicide Lilly. You are saying that all that matters is your LAST act on earth?
I know God is bigger.
But sin will not enter where He is. He turned His face from His own son on the cross because of the sins of all of us that Jesus took on.
If your last act before death is a sin and you do not have a chance to ask forgiveness, then you have sealed your own fate.
God doesn't send us to Hell. We send ourselves.

I disagree. He knew what his son had to do.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

You can disagree all you want but He did. He couldn't look on him.

Matthew 27:45Now from the sixth hour darkness fell upon all the land until the ninth hour. 46About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?" that is, "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?"

Yes. He knew. And He couldn't watch it. He couldn't stand it.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
You can disagree all you want but He did. He couldn't look on him.

Matthew 27:45Now from the sixth hour darkness fell upon all the land until the ninth hour. 46About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?" that is, "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?"

Yes. He knew. And He couldn't watch it. He couldn't stand it.

I have been to countless Good Friday services.

He couldn't watch because his son was suffering.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
God is bigger than Suicide Lilly. You are saying that all that matters is your LAST act on earth?
I know God is bigger.
But sin will not enter where He is. He turned His face from His own son on the cross because of the sins of all of us that Jesus took on.
If your last act before death is a sin and you do not have a chance to ask forgiveness, then you have sealed your own fate.
God doesn't send us to Hell. We send ourselves.

So, the Blood of Jesus isn't forward? If you are saved, it only covers you for that moment. The minute you are in Sin it is null and void? The Bible does not support that Doctrine . If you are saved you are ETERNAL security. And, yes, there are moments going ahead when we may be in Sin but that doesn't erase the Blood of Christ. Jesus is bigger than suicide. I dont' advocate it. But, people who commit suicide are often doing so out of mental illness or unclear thinking or whatever. God is bigger than your last breath. Jesus is bigger than suicide or any sin. And, no that sin does not enter Heaven? Why? Because when YOU do not stand before God. Jesus stands before God in YOUR place. And, Jesus is the All in All.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
You can disagree all you want but He did. He couldn't look on him.

Matthew 27:45Now from the sixth hour darkness fell upon all the land until the ninth hour. 46About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?" that is, "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?"

Yes. He knew. And He couldn't watch it. He couldn't stand it.
I have been to countless Good Friday services.
He couldn't watch because his son was suffering.
flan

God weeps when anyone suffers. He didn't create us for suffering. Mankind CHOOSE sin and with sin came death and suffering and illness and the terrible things that plague humanity. That wasn't God's desire. It breaks His heart to see us suffer. But, He has Plan and a way out and His plan is going forward and we will be set free of the agony of the flesh and ultimately God's plan will be played out.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I just love the way people turn their own consequences for their actions into being God's fault.

As for this woman - we have no idea what her relationship with God was, or is now. We cannot presume to know.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
God is bigger than Suicide Lilly. You are saying that all that matters is your LAST act on earth?
I agree.
flan

And, this is why people walk away from the Church. Not because of calling out the Sin. I believe suicide is a sin. But, to stand there and pronounce that YOU know someone's eternal fate. You don't know. You don't know that person's last thought or prayer. You don't know how God views mental illness or other plagues. Yes He Hates sin. Of course. But the notion that if you sin at the last second of your life and you lose your Salvation is in NO WAY Biblical. So, if you have an impure thought or are puffed up with pride or eating a big gluttonuous meal and are hit by a bus, then you have lost your Salvation? I find it curious you and some others seem to think suicide is the unforgiveable sin or something. Sin does not prevent you from going to Heaven. Denying Christ does. King Saul committed Suicide. From David's words about Saul, it appears that Saul went to heaven. He says, 2 Sam 1:23 "Saul and Jonathan--in life they were loved and gracious, and in death they were not parted..." We know that Jonathan was godly, so if Saul and Jonathan were not parted in death, this would mean Saul is with Jonathan in heaven.

Ohfour · Hooker

See, this is what I have always understood...

Jesus took the punishment for our sin. To say that anyone with sin doesn't go to heaven discounts what Jesus did for us. I believe that when we get to heaven and stand before God the Father, Jesus steps between to say I have taken Ohfour's sin upon myself. People die all the time, in accidents, of heart attacks, strokes, that don't get to repent for that last indiscretion. Are they in hell? Not according to Jesus. Jesus is the sacrificial Lamb. He died so we do not have to.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Jesus died for you past, present and future. Your lack of Biblical understanding is astounding. The notion of Hell and suicide came about from St. Augustine under Roman Catholic theology. Nothing can separate us from the Love of God. Funny that you think the amazing saving grace of Christ covers every other sin but not that. There is nothing Biblical that supports that. Yes, you can say "Do not kill" as one of the 10 commandments. And, I have already concurred that it is sin. But, to say that it eternally voids your saving grace is in no way Biblical. Unless you believe you are saved by works and not by Grace. We do not earn Salvation. It is the gift.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
See, this is what I have always understood...

Jesus took the punishment for our sin. To say that anyone with sin doesn't go to heaven discounts what Jesus did for us. I believe that when we get to heaven and stand before God the Father, Jesus steps between to say I have taken Ohfour's sin upon myself. People die all the time, in accidents, of heart attacks, strokes, that don't get to repent for that last indiscretion. Are they in hell? Not according to Jesus. Jesus is the sacrificial Lamb. He died so we do not have to.

Basically Lilly is saying that it is a second by second, minute by minute, breath by breath REVOCABLE grace and salvation. Sooo, if your last thought was an impure thought when that bus hit you, then straight to HELL with you!

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

It's very, very simple.

"God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. That whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life."

That's IT. So casting blame for sin and assuming final judgment is just not Biblically sound.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
It's very, very simple.

"God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. That whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life."

That's IT. So casting blame for sin and assuming final judgment is just not Biblically sound.

Yes. That's the Gospel. And, that doesn't mean someone gets kudos in life for the sins they did commit. And, King Saul supposedly went to Heaven despite backsliding. But, you do not instantly lose your Salvation the second you engage in sin. Now, yes it isn't a license to sin. And, those who treat the salvation of God as a get out of jail free ticket really have not turned their hearts over to God. But we "see thru the mirror darkly" and I don't wear one of those WWJD bracelets because God's ways are soo much higher that I am not going to presume to know how He would react .

Lindley · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
God is bigger than Suicide Lilly. You are saying that all that matters is your LAST act on earth?
I know God is bigger.
But sin will not enter where He is. He turned His face from His own son on the cross because of the sins of all of us that Jesus took on.
If your last act before death is a sin and you do not have a chance to ask forgiveness, then you have sealed your own fate.
God doesn't send us to Hell. We send ourselves.

I don't believe you can lose your salvation. To me that is like saying Christ dying on the cross was not good enough. We will enter Heaven with a new body not our earthly body.

Lindley · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
You can disagree all you want but He did. He couldn't look on him.

Matthew 27:45Now from the sixth hour darkness fell upon all the land until the ninth hour. 46About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?" that is, "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?"

Yes. He knew. And He couldn't watch it. He couldn't stand it.
I have been to countless Good Friday services.
He couldn't watch because his son was suffering.
flan
God weeps when anyone suffers. He didn't create us for suffering. Mankind CHOOSE sin and with sin came death and suffering and illness and the terrible things that plague humanity. That wasn't God's desire. It breaks His heart to see us suffer. But, He has Plan and a way out and His plan is going forward and we will be set free of the agony of the flesh and ultimately God's plan will be played out.

Jesus took all our sins and God can't look upon sin, but also I agree the heartache of watching His son suffer too. God delivered us from our sin and has forgiven us of our sins but does not always spare us the consequences of our sins. If I rob a bank and later felt quilty and asked God to forgive me, yes He would but I still would have to go to jail. I still will go to Heaven though.

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
God is bigger than Suicide Lilly. You are saying that all that matters is your LAST act on earth?
I know God is bigger.
But sin will not enter where He is. He turned His face from His own son on the cross because of the sins of all of us that Jesus took on.
If your last act before death is a sin and you do not have a chance to ask forgiveness, then you have sealed your own fate.
God doesn't send us to Hell. We send ourselves.

That is complete BS and NOT AT ALL Biblical teaching.

If you are a Christian, then you live in a "state of grace". That means that your sins are forgiven even if you don't get the chance to specifically ask for forgiveness for that particular sin. People who commit suicide CAN go to heaven, as can people who die because they were speeding on the interstate and piled their car into a tree.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Thank you husker. Not sure where Lilly is getting her Doctrine.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Some pathetic faith that can be revoked at the drop if a hat. That is Not what the Bible says.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Some pathetic faith that can be revoked at the drop if a hat. That is Not what the Bible says.

Well, I would say that if people truly had faith and trusted in God--they shouldn't take the step of committing suicide. However, as with many sins, people are weak, and one sin in and of itself would not condemn.

But we cannot read hearts--and the issue is wholly separate from having "time" to confess one last sin.

Heck, what if you are gossiping about a neighor over a cup of coffee and you drop dead of a heart attack? Were you sinning? Yes. Did you have time to confess it and get forgiveness? No. Does that mean you automatically go to he!!? Of course not, that's absurd.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yes that is my point. Also God does not operate via chronological time. The saving grace if God is not so wimpy. Once you are saved you are saved unto eternity. Perhaps Lilly should google " the Doctrine of the Perservance of Saints" and the "Doctrine of Eternal Security".

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
God is bigger than Suicide Lilly. You are saying that all that matters is your LAST act on earth?
I know God is bigger.
But sin will not enter where He is. He turned His face from His own son on the cross because of the sins of all of us that Jesus took on.
If your last act before death is a sin and you do not have a chance to ask forgiveness, then you have sealed your own fate.
God doesn't send us to Hell. We send ourselves.

That is complete BS and NOT AT ALL Biblical teaching.

If you are a Christian, then you live in a "state of grace". That means that your sins are forgiven even if you don't get the chance to specifically ask for forgiveness for that particular sin. People who commit suicide CAN go to heaven, as can people who die because they were speeding on the interstate and piled their car into a tree.

It is not once saved always saved.

If you sin and do not ask for forgiveness, then you separate yourself from God.

I don't know what is so hard about no sin will enter into His presence.

There will not be an unforgiven sinner in Heaven. No matter how many time you have sat in a church and been told once saved always saved.

That is not what the Bible says.

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
God is bigger than Suicide Lilly. You are saying that all that matters is your LAST act on earth?
I know God is bigger.
But sin will not enter where He is. He turned His face from His own son on the cross because of the sins of all of us that Jesus took on.
If your last act before death is a sin and you do not have a chance to ask forgiveness, then you have sealed your own fate.
God doesn't send us to Hell. We send ourselves.

That is complete BS and NOT AT ALL Biblical teaching.

If you are a Christian, then you live in a "state of grace". That means that your sins are forgiven even if you don't get the chance to specifically ask for forgiveness for that particular sin. People who commit suicide CAN go to heaven, as can people who die because they were speeding on the interstate and piled their car into a tree.

It is not once saved always saved.
If you sin and do not ask for forgiveness, then you separate yourself from God.
I don't know what is so hard about no sin will enter into His presence.
There will not be an unforgiven sinner in Heaven. No matter how many time you have sat in a church and been told once saved always saved.
That is not what the Bible says.

If you are a believer, your sins ARE forgiven--even if you don't have time to ask forgiveness for every specific sin.

Sin in and of itself does not create unbelief--and it is FAITH and GRACE that save--not your act of asking for forgiveness.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I am actually enjoying this debate.

flan

huskerbb · Guru

God commands us to repent, yes.

However, that does not mean what you think it means. Repentance means that we are to make every effort to turn from our sin and make an effort to lead a Godly life--NOT that we have to enumerate every sin in some sort of confession in order to receive forgiveness.

No matter how many times we repent, we will ALL continue to sin daily--but God forgives those sins of believers, also, even if we can't remember them all in order to confess, or if we run out of time to do so.

Especially read the bolded, below:

Is repentance necessary for salvation?

by Matt Slick

The answer to the question "Is repentance necessary for salvation?" is both yes and no. It depends on what is meant by the question. If by asking "Is repentance necessary for salvation?" the person means that the sinner must first repent, have a change of mind, and stop sinning in order to get saved, then the answer would be no. The reason would be that we are not saved from the righteous judgment of God by stopping sin and doing good--that would be salvation by works. We are saved from our sins by trusting in Christ, who bore our sins in his body on the cross (1 Pet 2:24)--not by ceasing sin and doing what is right. When we receive Christ (John 1:12), we are then justified by faith (Rom. 3:28; 4:5; 5:1); and it is the work of God to regenerate us which then enables us to turn from our sins. Therefore, repentance is the result of regeneration (salvation)--not the cause of it.
•“Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 “And I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances.” (Ezekiel 36:26-27).
•John 1:12-13, “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
•“The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.” (John 3:8).
•“Every good thing bestowed and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation, or shifting shadow. 18 In the exercise of His will He brought us forth by the word of truth, so that we would be a kind of first fruits among His creatures.” (James 1:17-18).

On the other hand, repentance is necessary for salvation in the sense that we cannot be saved from God's righteous judgment without changing our minds about sin--without turning from it and seeking to honor God.
•Luke 13:3, "I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish."
•Acts 2:38, "And Peter said to them, “Repent, and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."
•Acts 17:30, "Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all everywhere should repent."

Repentance is most definitely part of the gospel message, but we have to make sure that we do not make the mistake of saying that our salvation is because of our repentance. Again, we do not want to say that our salvation is a result of our stopping the doing of what is wrong and turning to do what is right. This would be salvation by works. This is a tricky issue among Christians as to whether or not the unbeliever who is a slave of sin (Romans 6:14-20), who cannot understand spiritual things (1 Cor. 2:14) and can do no good (Romans 3:10-12), is able to make a choice to stop sinning based on his sinful nature. It would seem that the ability to repent must be granted by God (Phil. 1:29; Acts 11:18; 2 Tim. 2:25).

So we have to be careful when we ask if repentance is necessary for salvation. The real question is: "Is repentance the result of salvation?" And the answer to that is yes. But repentance is also part of the message of salvation that commands people to repent because turning from sin is what is right to do. Sin is against the nature of God, and that is why God always commands everyone everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30). Just as he also commands that you will be holy (1 Peter 1:16) even though we cannot be holy. God is the standard of perfection, and that standard is not lessened because of our inability. Therefore, repentance is commanded, as is holiness; and we have to depend on God for both.

huskerbb · Guru

If lily is right--then anyone who dies suddenly--a car accident, a heart attack, an accident at work, gets murdered, whether self-inflicted, or not--would be doomed to he!!.

They would have sins on their account that they would not have had time to repent of.

That is, of course, ridiculous.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
If lily is right--then anyone who dies suddenly--a car accident, a heart attack, an accident at work, gets murdered, whether self-inflicted, or not--would be doomed to he!!.

They would have sins on their account that they would not have had time to repent of.

That is, of course, ridiculous.

Good thing I'm sitting down. I'm agreeing with husker on a RELIGIOUS thread.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
God is bigger than Suicide Lilly. You are saying that all that matters is your LAST act on earth?
I know God is bigger.
But sin will not enter where He is. He turned His face from His own son on the cross because of the sins of all of us that Jesus took on.
If your last act before death is a sin and you do not have a chance to ask forgiveness, then you have sealed your own fate.
God doesn't send us to Hell. We send ourselves.

That is complete BS and NOT AT ALL Biblical teaching.

If you are a Christian, then you live in a "state of grace". That means that your sins are forgiven even if you don't get the chance to specifically ask for forgiveness for that particular sin. People who commit suicide CAN go to heaven, as can people who die because they were speeding on the interstate and piled their car into a tree.

It is not once saved always saved.
If you sin and do not ask for forgiveness, then you separate yourself from God.
I don't know what is so hard about no sin will enter into His presence.
There will not be an unforgiven sinner in Heaven. No matter how many time you have sat in a church and been told once saved always saved.
That is not what the Bible says.

So the whole "Nothing can separate us from the Love of God" scriptures are just bunk? Wow, what a really weak faith in the Saving Grace of God. I don't know what Church you attend but the Doctrine of the Perseverance of Saints and the Doctrine of ETERNAL security are quite well developed doctrines in the Christian church. I think you need to get back to actual Bible reading and study.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
God is bigger than Suicide Lilly. You are saying that all that matters is your LAST act on earth?
I know God is bigger.
But sin will not enter where He is. He turned His face from His own son on the cross because of the sins of all of us that Jesus took on.
If your last act before death is a sin and you do not have a chance to ask forgiveness, then you have sealed your own fate.
God doesn't send us to Hell. We send ourselves.

That is complete BS and NOT AT ALL Biblical teaching.

If you are a Christian, then you live in a "state of grace". That means that your sins are forgiven even if you don't get the chance to specifically ask for forgiveness for that particular sin. People who commit suicide CAN go to heaven, as can people who die because they were speeding on the interstate and piled their car into a tree.

It is not once saved always saved.
If you sin and do not ask for forgiveness, then you separate yourself from God.
I don't know what is so hard about no sin will enter into His presence.
There will not be an unforgiven sinner in Heaven. No matter how many time you have sat in a church and been told once saved always saved.
That is not what the Bible says.

You have a very poor understanding. WE do not stand before God. God does not look at US when we stand before Him. We go and sit down and Jesus Christ Himself is the pinch hitter. He stands up AS IF HE were us before God and God then evaluates HIM. Seriously, do you not understand this? Wow.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

And, if what you posted above is what you truly believe then you are in fact dismissing the true saving power of Jesus Christ.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

And, what you posted above is precisely the reason so many leave the church. The amount of FALSE teaching is incredible and what you believe to be doctrine is FALSE.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

You seem to subscribe to the Arminian viewpoint. You are only "saved" for the next 30 sec, then if you have an impure thought and a massive heart attack, you are going to Hell. What a precarious faith!

"Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

For I am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Jesus Christ our Lord. "

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I am sad for you Lilly that you have no assurance whatsoever about your Salvation. You are living your life as if your works are more important than the Blood of Christ. And, you apparently don't need the Blood of Christ because you can live the next hour, day, month in a sinless state.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

lilyofcourse wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
God is bigger than Suicide Lilly. You are saying that all that matters is your LAST act on earth?
I know God is bigger.
But sin will not enter where He is. He turned His face from His own son on the cross because of the sins of all of us that Jesus took on.
If your last act before death is a sin and you do not have a chance to ask forgiveness, then you have sealed your own fate.
God doesn't send us to Hell. We send ourselves.

That is complete BS and NOT AT ALL Biblical teaching.

If you are a Christian, then you live in a "state of grace". That means that your sins are forgiven even if you don't get the chance to specifically ask for forgiveness for that particular sin. People who commit suicide CAN go to heaven, as can people who die because they were speeding on the interstate and piled their car into a tree.

It is not once saved always saved.
If you sin and do not ask for forgiveness, then you separate yourself from God.
I don't know what is so hard about no sin will enter into His presence.
There will not be an unforgiven sinner in Heaven. No matter how many time you have sat in a church and been told once saved always saved.
That is not what the Bible says.

The ONLY way to lose your salvation is to renounce and turn away from God. To harden your heart and deny him. You CANNOT get to heaven through good works, the Bible is explicitly clear. And the reasoning is spelled out - so that one cannot boast. Salvation is a gift, not something you work for.

You have very little trust in God.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

A lot of churches are now teaching just that LL which is very disturbing.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
A lot of churches are now teaching just that LL which is very disturbing.

That's really sad. They turn a gift from God into a lifetime fear of not being good enough.

Tinydancer · Guru

Jesus as your savoir is the ONLY way into heaven for Christians no matter how pious or sinful. I hope lily remembers that when it's her turn to face judgement.

Lindley · Guru

Lily is right about our sinful bodies cannot be in Heaven, but that is why we receive new bodies when we get to Heaven.

My sister died suddenly. She was alone when she died but according to the funeral director he believed it was quick so it may have been a heart attack or blood clot. She would not have been able to ask forgiveness for every sin at that point. I know she is in Heaven because she belong to Jesus.

When Jesus died His last words were "It is finished" He took our punishment. He does not have to do it again.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
A lot of churches are now teaching just that LL which is very disturbing.
That's really sad. They turn a gift from God into a lifetime fear of not being good enough.

Agreed.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lindley wrote:
Lily is right about our sinful bodies cannot be in Heaven, but that is why we receive new bodies when we get to Heaven.

My sister died suddenly. She was alone when she died but according to the funeral director he believed it was quick so it may have been a heart attack or blood clot. She would not have been able to ask forgiveness for every sin at that point. I know she is in Heaven because she belong to Jesus.

When Jesus died His last words were "It is finished" He took our punishment. He does not have to do it again.

Yes, not it WILL BE finished but it IS finished.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I trust God completely.

I don't just trust in God. I trust God. Two totally different things.

If you sin, and do not ask forgiveness before you draw that last breath, too bad.

No one can pluck you from His hand.

No one can save you for you.

No one can pray you into Heaven after you die.

Tinydancer · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
I trust God completely.

I don't just trust in God. I trust God. Two totally different things.
This is not what the bible says on this matter though so you can interpret it wrong if that makes you feel better
If you sin, and do not ask forgiveness before you draw that last breath, too bad.

No one can pluck you from His hand.

No one can save you for you.

No one can pray you into Heaven after you die.

That's not what the Bible says so make up your own rules if you want to but don't try to convince others of your incorrect understanding of how to get to heaven.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Show me where the Bible says I can pray you into Heaven.

Show me where it says that I can save you

Show me where it says you can take me out of His Grace.

The point is I am responsible for MY relationship with God and YOU are responsible for YOUR relationship with God.

Tinydancer · Guru

It doesn't. It says Jesus died on the cross for OUR SINS. I didn't say praying would save you or that you could save anyone. Where in the Bible does it say you must ask forgiveness just before you die so you're allowed to get in? What part of that don't you understand?

Tinydancer · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Show me where the Bible says I can pray you into Heaven.

Show me where it says that I can save you

Show me where it says you can take me out of His Grace.

The point is I am responsible for MY relationship with God and YOU are responsible for YOUR relationship with God.

Nice backpedaling as that's not what you said at all...lol

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Tinydancer wrote:
It doesn't. It says Jesus died on the cross for OUR SINS. I didn't say praying would save you or that you could save anyone. Where in the Bible does it say you must ask forgiveness just before you die so you're allowed to get in? What part of that don't you understand?

You are purposefully not getting it.

A person can live a life without sin. it isn't easy but one can abstain from sin.

If you kill yourself and die before asking forgiveness for that, you aint gettin' a halo and wings.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Tinydancer wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Show me where the Bible says I can pray you into Heaven.

Show me where it says that I can save you

Show me where it says you can take me out of His Grace.

The point is I am responsible for MY relationship with God and YOU are responsible for YOUR relationship with God.

Nice backpedaling as that's not what you said at all...lol

That is EXACTLY what I have said. Every word of it.

Tinydancer · Guru

"No. Would she rather have her suffering now. Was it worth an eternity in hell? She killed herself. That is a violation of the 10 commandments. Unless she was able to ask forgiveness in the last of it, she is not better off this morning. Quite the contrary."

No. This is what you said right here. Now you're backpedaling like it was what you said above. Nice try at deflecting though.