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lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

RE: Terminally ill woman who intends to end her life posts new video about her condition

Tinydancer · Guru

Of course you don't understand my confusion. You're talking out both sides of you mouth...lol. First you said it's a sin so she won't get into heaven. Now you're talking about what's between you and God and others and God two totally separate things. If you can't admit you were wrong about sin stopping you from getting in heaven then please provide something to back it up other than the your God my God thing.

Lindley · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
It doesn't. It says Jesus died on the cross for OUR SINS. I didn't say praying would save you or that you could save anyone. Where in the Bible does it say you must ask forgiveness just before you die so you're allowed to get in? What part of that don't you understand?
You are purposefully not getting it.
A person can live a life without sin. it isn't easy but one can abstain from sin.
If you kill yourself and die before asking forgiveness for that, you aint gettin' a halo and wings.

No we cannot live a life without sin our own rightousness is filthy rags compared to God.

That is why Christ came down to die on the cross. Paul called himself sinner among sinners and he was the greatest apostle there was.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Tinydancer wrote:
Of course you don't understand my confusion. You're talking out both sides of you mouth...lol. First you said it's a sin so she won't get into heaven. Now you're talking about what's between you and God and others and God two totally separate things. If you can't admit you were wrong about sin stopping you from getting in heaven then please provide something to back it up other than the your God my God thing.

What I said was that unless she had the chance to ask forgiveness before she died, she is in hell.

And that means exactly what I said.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lindley wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
It doesn't. It says Jesus died on the cross for OUR SINS. I didn't say praying would save you or that you could save anyone. Where in the Bible does it say you must ask forgiveness just before you die so you're allowed to get in? What part of that don't you understand?
You are purposefully not getting it.
A person can live a life without sin. it isn't easy but one can abstain from sin.
If you kill yourself and die before asking forgiveness for that, you aint gettin' a halo and wings.

No we cannot live a life without sin our own rightousness is filthy rags compared to God.
That is why Christ came down to die on the cross. Paul called himself sinner among sinners and he was the greatest apostle there was.

We can live a life without knowingly engaging in sin.

It's the sin we knowingly commit that will keep us out of Heaven.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

And yes. Paul did say that.

But after he accepted Christ as his savior, he no longer engaged in sinful behavior.

"go forth and sin no more"

Those are Jesus' words.

Tinydancer · Guru

Jesus died on the cross for you and I. I don't know your Jesus.

Lindley · Guru

Nope a sin is still sin. That is why Christ died. We are forgiven and we do need to confess our sins BUT! We do not lose our salvation!

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Even I understand what LGS, LL and Tinydancer are saying.

flan

Lindley · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
And yes. Paul did say that.

But after he accepted Christ as his savior, he no longer engaged in sinful behavior.

"go forth and sin no more"

Those are Jesus' words.

He did not say it in past tense.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

So according to Lily, no one that dies a sudden death is going to heaven.
Heaven is going to be a very lonely place, methinks.

But, since the sole purpose of heaven seems to be worshiping God for eternity, maybe that isn't such a loss.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Tinydancer wrote:
Jesus died on the cross for you and I. I don't know your Jesus.

Yes he did.

And He said to sin no more.

That means when we ask forgiveness and then turn around and do the exact same thing we are not holding up our part of it.

Yes. 7 times 70 we will be forgiven. But how serious are we if we continue to commit the same sin over and over without trying to not commit it?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
So according to Lily, no one that dies a sudden death is going to heaven.
Heaven is going to be a very lonely place, methinks.

But, since the sole purpose of heaven seems to be worshiping God for eternity, maybe that isn't such a loss.

I find it interesting that none of the Christians here agree with her.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
So according to Lily, no one that dies a sudden death is going to heaven.
Heaven is going to be a very lonely place, methinks.

But, since the sole purpose of heaven seems to be worshiping God for eternity, maybe that isn't such a loss.

My sole purpose now is to praise God. To worship and praise Him.

So to do it in Heaven? Yeah. That is going to be amazing.

Lindley · Guru

True we are suppose to not do things that are sinful and does not mean just because we are saved by Grace we can go out and do whatever we want but we are not perfect and won't be till we are in Heaven.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

And if that person who dies has not been living a life for Christ, and they have been sinning and not living for God, then yeah.

Lindley · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
And if that person who dies has not been living a life for Christ, and they have been sinning and not living for God, then yeah.

Only God knows what is in a mans heart.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I didn't say we were perfect.

But it is possible to live with out committing sins on a daily or hourly basis.

The basic 10 should be easy enough.

I don't have to lie, steal, kill, covet or take God's name in vain.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lindley wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
And if that person who dies has not been living a life for Christ, and they have been sinning and not living for God, then yeah.

Only God knows what is in a mans heart.

Yes. I didn't say any different.

Tinydancer · Guru

Yes but you made up your own rules about getting into heaven. Funny you just can't admit that was wrong. Go on praising God and telling lies about what Jesus did for us.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
It doesn't. It says Jesus died on the cross for OUR SINS. I didn't say praying would save you or that you could save anyone. Where in the Bible does it say you must ask forgiveness just before you die so you're allowed to get in? What part of that don't you understand?
You are purposefully not getting it.
A person can live a life without sin. it isn't easy but one can abstain from sin.
If you kill yourself and die before asking forgiveness for that, you aint gettin' a halo and wings.

Since you are the One who can live without Sin, then why weren't you the one nailed on the Cross?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
Of course you don't understand my confusion. You're talking out both sides of you mouth...lol. First you said it's a sin so she won't get into heaven. Now you're talking about what's between you and God and others and God two totally separate things. If you can't admit you were wrong about sin stopping you from getting in heaven then please provide something to back it up other than the your God my God thing.

HER sin is between her and God. But everyone else's sin is there for her to Judge that you didn't repent enough.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Tinydancer wrote:
Yes but you made up your own rules about getting into heaven. Funny you just can't admit that was wrong. Go on praising God and telling lies about what Jesus did for us.

I have not made anything up. And am not wrong in what I have said. I have been very clear.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
It doesn't. It says Jesus died on the cross for OUR SINS. I didn't say praying would save you or that you could save anyone. Where in the Bible does it say you must ask forgiveness just before you die so you're allowed to get in? What part of that don't you understand?
You are purposefully not getting it.
A person can live a life without sin. it isn't easy but one can abstain from sin.
If you kill yourself and die before asking forgiveness for that, you aint gettin' a halo and wings.

Since you are the One who can live without Sin, then why weren't you the one nailed on the Cross?

I have not said I don't sin. I have said a person can live without knowingly sinning.

A person can choose to lie or not. A person can choose to steal or not. A person can choose to kill or not. A person can choose to covet or not.

I slip up. When I realize it, I ask forgiveness.

But I don't purposefully go about my day with the intent to sin.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Of course you don't understand my confusion. You're talking out both sides of you mouth...lol. First you said it's a sin so she won't get into heaven. Now you're talking about what's between you and God and others and God two totally separate things. If you can't admit you were wrong about sin stopping you from getting in heaven then please provide something to back it up other than the your God my God thing.
HER sin is between her and God. But everyone else's sin is there for her to Judge that you didn't repent enough.

Everyone's sin is between them and God. And yes. We all judge. So don't get all bent out of shape on that. You are judging right now.

Domestic Engineer · Guru

Lindley wrote:
Nope a sin is still sin. That is why Christ died. We are forgiven and we do need to confess our sins BUT! We do not lose our salvation!

If salvation can not be lost, then why did Peter tell Simon, who had believed and was baptized in Acts8:13

"20Peter answered: “May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money! 21You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God. 22Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord in the hope that he may forgive you for having such a thought in your heart. 23For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin.

2 Peter 2:21 says,

20For if, after escaping the world’s corruptions through a full knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus, the Messiah,h they are again entangled and conquered by those corruptions,i then their last condition is worse than their former one. 21It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than to know it and turn their backs on the holy commandment that was committed to them. 22The proverb is true that describes what has happened to them: “A dog returns to its vomit,”j and “A pig that is washed goes back to wallow in the mud.”k

Finally,from Revelations 2:4

4Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken the love you had at first. 5Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.

In all three examples, the people were believers that had 1) a wicked heart 2) become entangled in the world again or 3) forsaken their first love. In a 3 instances, repentance is called for to recieve forgiveness. In example #2, Scripture states that they are worse off than if they had never known righteousness.

Tinydancer · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Yes but you made up your own rules about getting into heaven. Funny you just can't admit that was wrong. Go on praising God and telling lies about what Jesus did for us.
I have not made anything up. And am not wrong in what I have said. I have been very clear.

So you didn't say she couldn't get into heaven because she didn't ask for forgiveness before she died? That's what the discussion was about. Not all the other stuff you dragged into the conversation. Nice try to change the subject though...lol

-- Edited by Tinydancer on Tuesday 4th of November 2014 02:48:49 PM

-- Edited by Tinydancer on Tuesday 4th of November 2014 02:49:04 PM

Sin City Girl · Member

I keep reading this tread and thinking of the judge on The Good Wife who makes everyone say "in my opinion" after everything.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Domestic Engineer wrote:
Lindley wrote:
Nope a sin is still sin. That is why Christ died. We are forgiven and we do need to confess our sins BUT! We do not lose our salvation!
If salvation can not be lost, then why did Peter tell Simon, who had believed and was baptized in Acts8:13

"20Peter answered: “May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money! 21You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God. 22Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord in the hope that he may forgive you for having such a thought in your heart. 23For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin.

2 Peter 2:21 says,
20For if, after escaping the world’s corruptions through a full knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus, the Messiah,h they are again entangled and conquered by those corruptions,i then their last condition is worse than their former one. 21It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than to know it and turn their backs on the holy commandment that was committed to them. 22The proverb is true that describes what has happened to them: “A dog returns to its vomit,”j and “A pig that is washed goes back to wallow in the mud.”k
Finally,from Revelations 2:4
4Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken the love you had at first. 5Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.

In all three examples, the people were believers that had 1) a wicked heart 2) become entangled in the world again or 3) forsaken their first love. In a 3 instances, repentance is called for to recieve forgiveness. In example #2, Scripture states that they are worse off than if they had never known righteousness.

They turned away from God. Man sins. There is not a righteous man, no, not one. The difference is if you have turned away from God. But NO ONE can know a person's heart but God. So to assume someone is damned is complete arrogance.

Domestic Engineer · Guru

I have never made any assumptions on anyone's heart. I provided Scripture that indicates that once saved, is not always saved.

***The tone of my comments are taken as a group of friends having a discussion, not a finger pointing Bertha, better than thou attitude. ***

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Domestic Engineer wrote:
I have never made any assumptions on anyone's heart. I provided Scripture that indicates that once saved, is not always saved.

***The tone of my comments are taken as a group of friends having a discussion, not a finger pointing Bertha, better than thou attitude. ***

LOL. OK.

Lindley · Guru

I don't think you can lose your salvation but, I do believe you can be punished while you are on earth. Also to miss out on blessings and sometimes He will take you home early. (I'm too seeing this as a discussion )

Ohfour · Hooker

This is just my opinion...

I think you CAN lose your salvation. Case in point. A previous board member. He claims that he was one a Christian. And now he says he does not believe at all. If both of those statements are true, and he dies feeling that way, then yes, I believe he has lost his salvation.

Lindley · Guru

I always believed they were never a Christian to begin with. Going to Church all your life does not make you a Christisn nor going through the motions. I had a friend who stopped believing but she was someone who followed the crowd with what ever opinion she thought was the hippest.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Exactly. Christ says "Depart from Me. I never KNEW you.". Not oh I knew you for awhile now depart.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
This is just my opinion...

I think you CAN lose your salvation. Case in point. A previous board member. He claims that he was one a Christian. And now he says he does not believe at all. If both of those statements are true, and he dies feeling that way, then yes, I believe he has lost his salvation.

Yes. That is a purposeful turning away and hardening your heart against God.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

The Unpardonable Sin
Jesus said blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is an unpardonable or unforgivable sin:

I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin. (NIV, Mark 3:28-29)

The nature of this sin has been the subject of much debate. In context, Jesus was referring specifically to the sin of the scribes (teachers of the law) (Mark 3:22-30) who said Jesus was possessed by demons and had an evil spirit. The total spiritual blindness of those who mistook the work of Jesus for the work of Satan put them beyond hope of repentance, faith and forgiveness.

Some people worry about committing the unpardonable sin accidentally or in a moment of weakness, but most Bible experts say there is no need for such worry. It is not that any sin is beyond the power of God's grace. The sin of the scribes was not forgiven because their own stubborn perversion of the truth and hardness of heart prevented them from repenting. Those people who are concerned enough to worry about their sins are not in danger of committing an unpardonable sin.

Related verses: Matthew 12:31-32; Luke 12:10.

Apostasy
Apostasy is a deliberate abandonment of faith. Several New Testament passages (Hebrews 6:4-6, 10:26, 2 Peter 2:20-21) seem to say that someone who has fallen away from Christian faith has no chance to repent and come back. These passages have been interpreted many different ways, and it is fair to say that no one is really sure of their original intent.
In their original context, these were warnings, in the strongest possible terms, to the first century Christians not to abandon their new faith because of persecution or false teachings. Thus, the authors may have used some hyperbole (exaggeration) to emphasize the point. [Jesus also sometimes used hyperbole for emphasis (Matthew 7:3-5, Mark 10:25).]

If these verses really mean that a person who has fallen away has no chance to repent, that would seem to contradict many other New Testament teachings about God's mercy and constant willingness to forgive. These verses are probably not directed at people who have doubts or who lose their faith and come back later. It is the person who deliberately, permanently and hard-heartedly rejects faith who will never repent, and thus can never be forgiven.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Exactly. Christ says "Depart from Me. I never KNEW you.". Not oh I knew you for awhile now depart.

I don't claim to know this person heart, but they say they were a believer and are no longer. If I believe them, and I do, then they have lost their salvation.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Exactly. Christ says "Depart from Me. I never KNEW you.". Not oh I knew you for awhile now depart.
I don't claim to know this person heart, but they say they were a believer and are no longer. If I believe them, and I do, then they have lost their salvation.

You know I'm trying to figure out who this was...and can't.

flan

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
I trust God completely.

I don't just trust in God. I trust God. Two totally different things.

If you sin, and do not ask forgiveness before you draw that last breath, too bad.

No one can pluck you from His hand.

No one can save you for you.

No one can pray you into Heaven after you die.

That is not at all Biblical. I don't know what church denomination you go to--but either you greatly misunderstand their teachings, or they are not teaching the Bible correctly.

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
And if that person who dies has not been living a life for Christ, and they have been sinning and not living for God, then yeah.

But EVERYONE sins. The most righteous person on earth sins--no matter how hard they try to live a life for Christ.

If you think you don't sin--you are gravely mistaken.

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
I don't understand your confusion. It's clear to me.

But you are wrong. 2,000 years of Christian doctrine--not to mention what the Bible actually says--does not support your position.

Tinydancer · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I trust God completely.

I don't just trust in God. I trust God. Two totally different things.

If you sin, and do not ask forgiveness before you draw that last breath, too bad.

No one can pluck you from His hand.

No one can save you for you.

No one can pray you into Heaven after you die.

That is not at all Biblical. I don't know what church denomination you go to--but either you greatly misunderstand their teachings, or they are not teaching the Bible correctly.

I think she spoke without thinking. From what I've seen she usually knows her Bible.

Squeakers · Regular

lilyofcourse wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
So according to Lily, no one that dies a sudden death is going to heaven.
Heaven is going to be a very lonely place, methinks.

But, since the sole purpose of heaven seems to be worshiping God for eternity, maybe that isn't such a loss.
My sole purpose now is to praise God. To worship and praise Him.
So to do it in Heaven? Yeah. That is going to be amazing.

You'd better hope that you have time to realize you are dying and to ask forgiveness then because going by your logic if you don't have the time you burn in hell.

huskerbb · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I trust God completely.

I don't just trust in God. I trust God. Two totally different things.

If you sin, and do not ask forgiveness before you draw that last breath, too bad.

No one can pluck you from His hand.

No one can save you for you.

No one can pray you into Heaven after you die.

That is not at all Biblical. I don't know what church denomination you go to--but either you greatly misunderstand their teachings, or they are not teaching the Bible correctly.
I think she spoke without thinking. From what I've seen she usually knows her Bible.

She's been pretty adamant--maybe she "usually" does know her Bible--but not this time.

But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (Titus 3:4-7 NKJ)

-- Edited by huskerbb on Tuesday 4th of November 2014 06:45:21 PM

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Ya'll seem to think I mean the moment you are dying.

In the case of the OP I do. She chose to kill herself. She chose to sin and I hope she realized she needed to ask forgiveness for that before she took her last breath.

We can live without knowingly sinning.

Does that mean we never do? No.

I have said the same thing throughout this thread.

Suicide is a sin. If you die before asking forgiveness for that, then you are not going to be walking through those pearly gates.

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Ya'll seem to think I mean the moment you are dying.

In the case of the OP I do. She chose to kill herself. She chose to sin and I hope she realized she needed to ask forgiveness for that before she took her last breath.

We can live without knowingly sinning.

Does that mean we never do? No.

I have said the same thing throughout this thread.

Suicide is a sin. If you die before asking forgiveness for that, then you are not going to be walking through those pearly gates.

You are wrong.

It is no different than ANY OTHER sin that you would not have time to repent for. Using your wrongheaded, un-Christian, and un-Biblical illogic, then someone who is gossiping about a neighbor over a cup of coffee and then keels over and has a heart attack is automatically doomed to hell. That is absurd.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Tuesday 4th of November 2014 06:49:11 PM

Tinydancer · Guru

Husker's right. Sin is sin and Jesus died for all sins not just the ones you pick and choose.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Ya'll seem to think I mean the moment you are dying.

In the case of the OP I do. She chose to kill herself. She chose to sin and I hope she realized she needed to ask forgiveness for that before she took her last breath.

We can live without knowingly sinning.

Does that mean we never do? No.

I have said the same thing throughout this thread.

Suicide is a sin. If you die before asking forgiveness for that, then you are not going to be walking through those pearly gates.

Which means your Salvation indeed hinges completely on your last breath and not on the Blood of Christ. So, if you sinned last month and "forgot" to confess, then so sad too bad, you didn't get that confession in time. Burn in Hell you heathen. You really have a very poor understanding of theology. Not sure what Church you attend but that is not orthodox teaching.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

The Vatican has denounced her suicide.